Originally posted by Stoic
Actually you haven't been able to comprehend what I stated, and it's no wonder, you could not even comprehend Thor being KO'd by his hammer that the Hulk used to amplify a cheap shot. What you just wrote proves your ignorance. not to mention that you will always misrepresent things at any, and every chance that you get. You still don't know what hyperbole means, or hypocrite, and likely several other words that you butcher.You still have yet to stop low balling, and give a solid reason for why you believe that the Hulk would ramp up fast enough to take out guys whose base stats are greater than his individually. All you seem to want to do is toss insults around as if it will earn you a point. Why does he beat them? If it were true that the Hulk began at high Herald level, Sun God wouldn't have beaten him even with the gimp that he went in with. He would never struggle for long against a high herald. He would just walk through everyone on that level, but he doesn't.
Why? No insults just tell me why.
So Hulk losing to Sun God via blast (not strength because physically, Hulk was beating Sun God down) means that Hulk doesn't start off at High Herald? Let's prove your terrible debating skills again. Does Thor start off at high Herald strength as well since he lost to Superior Venom, lost to Captain Marv-ell, and got koed by some random aliens with a gun...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12832307/AA_6_TheGroup_013.jpg.html
The same weapons Hulk tanked pages after. Does this put Thor under High Herald? Or again, does this only apply to Hulk (you are terrible at this...God you're terrible)?
The Hulk has been choked out by a python. If I brought this point to the front that would be low balling. I gave a reason for the Hulk losing to Captain America, and Spider Man. That was not me low balling. Sun God told him that he may have been the strongest in his universe (Hulk's universe which equaled a hyped up statement) but not in Sun God's universe.
Thor and bill aren't limited to fisticuffs in this match either, if you really want to go about enforcing the threads OP. They can actually hit him with magic, lightning, and storms capable to tearing planets apart before he ever climbed high enough to ever become a serious threat.
What worked on Thor did not work on the Hulk, that does not mean that what works on the hulk will work on Thor concerning Thor being nailed by those blasters. i knew that bringing up Sun God would have you chasing after the wrong topic. my bad, I forgot how bad ADD can get around here. So back to the question.
Do you remember the question Carver? Why does the Hulk beat these two?
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk has been choked out by a python. If I brought this point to the front that would be low balling. I gave a reason for the Hulk losing to Captain America, and Spider Man. That was not me low balling. Sun God told him that he may have been the strongest in his universe (Hulk's universe which equaled a hyped up statement) but not in Sun God's universe.Thor and bill aren't limited to fisticuffs in this match either, if you really want to go about enforcing the threads OP. They can actually hit him with magic, lightning, and storms capable to tearing planets apart before he ever climbed high enough to ever become a serious threat.
What worked on Thor did not work on the Hulk, that does not mean that what works on the hulk will work on Thor concerning Thor being nailed by those blasters. i knew that bringing up Sun God would have you chasing after the wrong topic. my bad, I forgot how bad ADD can get around here. So back to the question.
Do you remember the question Carver? Why does the Hulk beat these two?
You gave a reason for Hulk losing to them while ignoring the fact that Thor lost to them as well. Don't see how you don't understand this type of debating is wrong on so many levels. Don't accept one thing without accepting another and that exactly what you are doing and it's getting on my nerves.
Sun God didn't beat Hulk via punching, Hulk was pounding on him as shown here...
Sun god then takes Hulk out 'with a blast'.
I'm trying to be calm to you because you are literally getting on my nerves ignoring scans. From this point on, if I post evidence again and you ignore it with your freaking nonsense, I am going to report you, keep reporting you until either one of us are banned or this thread is closed.
Bada is right there. Ask him if what i am doing is going against the rules
and by all means report me. Sun God took the Hulk's measure
and defeated him. if the Hulk had time, I'm certain that he would have
won, but he didn't because Sun God was fighting for the sake of all
life on his planet. Thor, Bill and the Hulk aren't the same. they do not
have the same power set as you know. They don't ramp up like he does
Their base level is mid - high herald in strength. Like i said before, if
the hulk begins off at that level, he would roll over that tier with no
Problem, but this is not what happens. Why? because it takes him time
to get up to their level. We could always agree to disagree, if your
nerves are frayed.
Addition to the Sun God scene then I'm going to bed. Before Sun God and Hulk fought, Hickman added a two page scene.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-46-15_zps3518d875.png.html?sort=9&o=133
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-47-12_zps90a2b7e0.png.html?sort=9&o=134
Hulk took a serum that had an affect towards his power level. Take that as you will. Hickman presented this scene a page before the fight happened.
I know which is why i said that he went in gimped. but that still does
not explain why a high herald was able to take his best if he began
at high herald levels. Did the serum stop him from ramping up?
Again, I think that if the Hulk went in after being enraged for a suitable
amount of time, that he would have beaten him. He wasn't given the
luxury of that time. I also stated the same thing concerning this fight
With Thor and bill. I have strong doubts that he would have the time
to beat them for a majority. I simply can not ignore the way that
his powers work. his creators made him this way so that he wouldn't
become a plot bullet character. Plot bullet characters are always sent
off, or killed off, because they usually have no one to challenge them.
This is why i see thing the way that I do.
According to that scan if he got too raged up, he would receive shocks
to his brain so that he could regain some control over the Hulk. My
question is this. Why would he want to hold back, if the life on his
planet were at stake if he lost?
Originally posted by Stoic
Carver here are a lot of Hulk vs Thor battles. And this is why I have trouble believing that the Hulk would be able to beat both Thor, and Bill. i mean how could he, if he has so much trouble with Thor alone.
These are the canon and non canon bouts pre-fear itself
As for the thread, yeah they could win. They could just wail on him together, Thor's proven he can hang with savage hulk hand to hand for a while. They're also not powerless, they just don't have their hammers, so lightning fists are fair game.
That said, Hulk can win too. This fight just caters to his powerset. It's either short and sweet or Hulk outlasts them.
Originally posted by carver9
Addition to the Sun God scene then I'm going to bed. Before Sun God and Hulk fought, Hickman added a two page scene.http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-46-15_zps3518d875.png.html?sort=9&o=133
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-47-12_zps90a2b7e0.png.html?sort=9&o=134Hulk took a serum that had an affect towards his power level. Take that as you will. Hickman presented this scene a page before the fight happened.
While this is compeltely off topic, before I begin responding to some guys here, let me finish off what I was doing. I hate stopping in the middle of something I was doing. So here we go again:
Freedom Force easily took down TWO squads of Avengers (which included the likes of -Thor, Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man, who were led by Captain America), at the same time
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
While this is compeltely off topic, before I begin responding to some guys here, let me finish off what I was doing. I hate stopping in the middle of something I was doing. So here we go again:
Freedom Force easily took down TWO squads of Avengers (which included the likes of -Thor, Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man, who were led by Captain America), at the same time
The RUNAWAYS are dangerous tyke bombs, something which they proved by tooling the Wrecking Crew.
Wonder Man has failed to KO the Wizard with a sucker shot and then proceeded to get owned
He was also knocked out by the ten tonner Nekra
Originally posted by Stoic
I know which is why i said that he went in gimped. but that still does
not explain why a high herald was able to take his best if he began
at high herald levels. Did the serum stop him from ramping up?
Again, I think that if the Hulk went in after being enraged for a suitable
amount of time, that he would have beaten him. He wasn't given the
luxury of that time. I also stated the same thing concerning this fight
With Thor and bill. I have strong doubts that he would have the time
to beat them for a majority. I simply can not ignore the way that
his powers work. his creators made him this way so that he wouldn't
become a plot bullet character. Plot bullet characters are always sent
off, or killed off, because they usually have no one to challenge them.
This is why i see thing the way that I do.According to that scan if he got too raged up, he would receive shocks
to his brain so that he could regain some control over the Hulk. My
question is this. Why would he want to hold back, if the life on his
planet were at stake if he lost?
Even though I think Hulk wins this, Thor isn't a chump. Thor has withstood beatings from Kurse, someone that is 4 times stronger than him....received beatings from Mangog, someone that Odin himself is weary of. It has nothing to do with someone killing a high Herald from the onset of the battle because Supes, Thor, Surfer, and Hulk has survived punches from beings far more powerful than them. That's what makes them Heralds, the best of the bunch.
Before Zeus hit him with a full dose of lightning, Zeus literally had to pound on Hulk before taking him out of the fight and we are talking about one of the most powerful Skyfather in comics. So yeah, Hulk not outright taking Sun God had nothing to do with him being stronger or not, it had more to do with Sun God durability. Looking at the fight, Hulk clearly had the physical advantage, Sun God was getting wailed on. Sun God energy output is what took Hulk out.
Hulk can be 10 times stronger than Thor, that still doesn't mean he is taking Thor out easily or any other High Herald, especially if we look at their fts. Everyone and their grandma knows Hulk is stronger than Surfer but Surfer has withstood hits from beings that has challenged Galactus himself. I think you are looking at this wrong. You might need to look at the durability of the characters that Hulk is wailing on first before judging his strength.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The RUNAWAYS are dangerous tyke bombs, something which they proved by tooling the Wrecking Crew.Wonder Man has failed to KO the Wizard with a sucker shot and then proceeded to get owned
He was also knocked out by the ten tonner Nekra
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Lol, the butt hurt here is palpable.Team wins, not sure why Carv is acting like only Hulk has been being written up, both Hammer bros have planet busted in recent showings.
Never said that Thor hasn't been written up and I have not pointed anyone out on voting for Thor and Bill, they are extremely powerful and I don't have a problem with Hulk losing to them. What me and Stoic ignoring self is debating on is Hulk's base strength, especially recently. Everyone knows Hulk has been performing insane fts lately, even at his base level. I've been trying to show this Hulk fan (lol) that Hulk's base starts extremely high, high Herald high and I have been posting scans proving this which he has ignored. I thumbs up you for choosing Thor and Bill just like I thumbs up the people that chose Hulk. This is a battle but it's hard reaching into someone's mind that is ignoring everything that is being shown to him. I know a way to fix this though.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulklol the Godhunter arc says you have no clue what you are talking about BRB
Simon has been KOd by Jawbreaker as well.
Remember Princess Python's boa which kicked Hulk's ass? They have taken it to Iron Man as well.
If the lowballing continues I'll have to post a low showing for Thor which I consider his worst showing and absolutely despise. And to those talking about Lightning fists, better hope that Thro doesn't get kncoked out by his own lightning again like two or three times before. Then Hulk can deal with BRB who doesn't have much powers without Stormbreaker.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though I think Hulk wins this, Thor isn't a chump. Thor has withstood beatings from Kurse, someone that is 4 times stronger than him....received beatings from Mangog, someone that Odin himself is weary of. It has nothing to do with someone killing a high Herald from the onset of the battle because Supes, Thor, Surfer, and Hulk has survived punches from beings far more powerful than them. That's what makes them Heralds, the best of the bunch.Before Zeus hit him with a full dose of lightning, Zeus literally had to pound on Hulk before taking him out of the fight and we are talking about one of the most powerful Skyfather in comics. So yeah, Hulk not outright taking Sun God had nothing to do with him being stronger or not, it had more to do with Sun God durability. Looking at the fight, Hulk clearly had the physical advantage, Sun God was getting wailed on. Sun God energy output is what took Hulk out.
Hulk can be 10 times stronger than Thor, that still doesn't mean he is taking Thor out easily or any other High Herald, especially if we look at their fts. Everyone and their grandma knows Hulk is stronger than Surfer but Surfer has withstood hits from beings that has challenged Galactus himself. I think you are looking at this wrong. You might need to look at the durability of the characters that Hulk is wailing on first before judging his strength.
It was very clear Zeus was toying with Hulk, lets not act like Zeus was going all out.
