SS vs flash

Originally posted by Juntai
Not like how Zoom's powers work.

I wasn't saying he was exactly like zoom, I was just pointing out that his powers do not rely on kinetic energy for transportation, he uses the power cosmic, which would be unaffected by the speedforce.

Surfer Everytime.
Its been proven that Surfer has nano second reaction time, so he will be able to dodge a attack from flash. (Light travels about 30 centimeters in a nano second)
And to my knowledge, flash still need to accelerate his speed to reach lightspeed levels, Surfer dosent on the other hand. Surfer can easily KO flash before flash reaches ubber speeds.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Doesn't everthings speed in the DCU drawn from the Speedforce? I mean is it fair to assume the power cosmic does not work in the DCU also? In JLA/Avengers Wally did not have his powers while he was in the MU but on the same note while Infinity Gems were in the DCU they did not work either.

Wally draws his power from the Speedforce while Norrin draws his from the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wally can not only steal something's speed, he can also steal somethings kinetic energy, which are a mite bit different.

The Surfer can always further propel himself past the kinetic energy steal, but I was just pointing the idea out.

Also, as far as this fight goes, the Surfer wins. The Flash is high-herald level, but the Surfer is one of THE highest heralds.

Both of these quoted for the truth.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer Everytime.
Its been proven that Surfer has nano second reaction time, so he will be able to dodge a attack from flash. (Light travels about 30 centimeters in a nano second)
And to my knowledge, flash still need to accelerate his speed to reach lightspeed levels, Surfer dosent on the other hand. Surfer can easily KO flash before flash reaches ubber speeds.

Even though I agree that Surfer wins, your facts on Flash are a bit off.

Flash can pretty much achieve light speed instantly. He just, well, doesn't a lot of times.

And Flash's reaction times are in the FRACTIONS of a PICOsecond.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer Everytime.
Its been proven that Surfer has nano second reaction time, so he will be able to dodge a attack from flash. (Light travels about 30 centimeters in a nano second)
And to my knowledge, flash still need to accelerate his speed to reach lightspeed levels, Surfer dosent on the other hand. Surfer can easily KO flash before flash reaches ubber speeds.

Originally posted by Juntai
Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but [b]still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. [/B]

And Surfer did this not to long ago in his Annihilation mini. Ravenous pissed him off, so he channelled cosmic energy outward and destroyed the planet they were on.

Come one now. Surfer in no way has better combat speed than Flash. We've seen a Flash hurt Superboy Prime who has way in excess of Surfers resitance. His infinite mass punch is capable of dropping top tiers. Unless the Surfer is vastly out of character Flash wins 7/10

Isnt the power cosmic just energy derived from the cosmos/Universe. How does that not exist in DC?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Come one now. Surfer in no way has better combat speed than Flash. We've seen a Flash hurt Superboy Prime who has way in excess of Surfers resitance. His infinite mass punch is capable of dropping top tiers. Unless the Surfer is vastly out of character Flash wins 7/10

No one said better, said he would be able to react and atleast have a clue. Surfer has all of Flash's speed qualities just he often doesn't use them. Add that to all the nifty little gadgets the power cosmic allows and Flash isn't winning this.

^ Exactly Priest.

Surfer>>>Superman>>>Flash

Infinite mass punches are crap, I really hate that entire idea.

It is like, lets use a physics idea, but only use the slightest amount of truth from it, and just make the rest up, or use some PIS to explain why one law applies and another doesn't.

Untill i see flash KOing superman like characters on the regular with his so called 'infinite mass punch' that attack is flawed.

How regular do you want? He's been shown capable of knocking out Superman level characters. Zoom who he's trade blows with hits harder than Superman according to Wonderwoman.

Besides the Silver surfer uses his super reflexes once in a blue moon. Flash has taken down much more top tiers than the number of times Surfer has used his speed for anything other than fly at them while blasting.

Originally posted by Jax_Jax
so some see to think the flash is high herald level.

can wally at full potential take SS??

The answer is yes. Yes, Wally (at FP) CAN take SS.

In fact, at FP he takes most is my guess. 😬

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
How regular do you want? He's been shown capable of knocking out Superman level characters. Zoom who he's trade blows with hits harder than Superman according to Wonderwoman.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Besides the Silver surfer uses his super reflexes once in a blue moon.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Flash has taken down much more top tiers than the number of times Surfer has used his speed for anything other than fly at them while blasting.

a man with some speed vs a god.

Originally posted by Juntai
Check his reactions, a billionth of a second..
You'll also notice they only travel a couple of feet and Flash is already accelerating past light speed.
And that's WITHOUT, maxing it out and/or using the speed formula.

A nanosecond = one billionth of a second. Same thing.

Originally posted by xmeat
a man with some speed vs a god.

The Hulk isn't in this thread, what are you talking about?

Silver Surfer flying light years in a moment:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p35.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p36.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/InfinityGauntlet4p37.jpg

Silver Surfer travelling a half million light years in a few seconds:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-006.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg
Read the text: "Galaxies streak past them in a blur". A galaxy can be between one thousand and a hundred thousand parsecs wide. Each parsec = 3,262 light years. In a few seconds, they were seeing multiple galaxies whip past. Think about how fast that would be.

Silver Surfer can also see backwards and forwards in time.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_138_06.jpg

Here is Silver Surfer referencing a nano-second as being too long, and thinking faster than nanoseconds (billionths of a second):
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/marvel_comics_presents_001-29.jpg

Here is surfer dodging meteors in a meteor storm while at the same time scanning for a bomb:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Avengers_Annual_16-18.jpg

Here is surfer dodging beams from a ship's attacking guns:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-14.jpg

Now as far as surviving an infinite mass punch:
Here is surfer getting punched in the jaw by she-Hulk, and she hurts her hand while he doesn't feel it:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-03.jpg

Here is surfer going into a black hole with no damage:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-15.jpg

Survives a spoken word from Blackbolt unharmed, just dusts himself off from the rubble that collapsed around him:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_060_19.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_060_20.jpg

Survives a fall from space to a planet's surface, and doesn't feel a thing:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_036-11.jpg

Point of all this?
* Silver Surfer can match, if not exceed, Flash in speed.
* Flash cannot steal speed from Silver Surfer, as he uses the Power Cosmic to transcend space and if necessary time.
* Silver Surfer would survive a punch from Flash, even a so-called infinite mass punch, as he can survive a blackhole with no damage. The times he has taken damage from physical attacks, were only when they were amplified (for example, Thanos amped his punches with his own form of cosmic energy, and Thor's attacks using his hammer were amplified through magic). Even the Hulk pounding on Surfer's face did little to nothing.
* In an arena match, both power's count for beneficial purposes, but since Surfer is based from Marvel he does not have the speed force present within him to grab energy from. His kinetic energy slowdown can be overcome through use of the power cosmic.

Originally posted by Soljer
The Hulk isn't in this thread, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by xmeat
i meant surfer fool.

But...the Surfer isn't a god....😕