SS vs flash

Originally posted by Soljer
But...the Surfer isn't a god....😕

Has Surfer ever been at two different places, at the same time fighting two different battles with two different teams......all at the same time? With no one being the wiser?? Flash has 😗

I can see Flash beating Surfer if he plays it extremely smart, and only uses his best moves (Speed Force dump, Kinetic steal, saying the speed formula)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Has Surfer ever been at two different places, at the same time fighting two different battles with two different teams......all at the same time? With no one being the wiser?? Flash has 😗

I can see Flash beating Surfer if he plays it extremely smart, and only uses his best moves (Speed Force dump, Kinetic steal, saying the speed formula)

Surfer can create holograms which fool even Galactus:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer6-30a.jpg
Here Surfer creates a hologram to talk to some people:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_40.jpg

Here surfer did create a clone of himself, with his powers:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-17.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_vol3_127-18.jpg

Flash isn't going to be stealing kinetic energy or otherwise from the Surfer; Surfer is the master of controlling energy. Surfer can even compress his body to the microverse (subatomic particle scale):
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-19a.jpg

Basically Flash has no chance of defeating Surfer. He would end up imprisoning Flash into his board like he did with Genis:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg

Kutulu is right. I don't see how flash could handle all that energy. Molecule man, who is one of the greatest forces in the MU admitted that SS could have burned him out when SS added his powers to MMs.

I don't see how Flash could handle this kind of energy, and that is assuming he could even absorb it.

The problem is that HE does not need to handle the energys. He is powered by a outside force. 😬

The speed force is the "god" (and I use that term very loosly) of motion (EVERY PART OF IT).

He can steal the energy, impart it on other objects, give it to himself, say the speed formula, and many other things.

And holograms mean nothing in this right 😕

Can anyone answer the question that I posted earlier?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Has Surfer ever been at two different places, at the same time fighting two different battles with two different teams......all at the same time? With no one being the wiser??

I'm not saying that the Surfer is out of Flash's league. Just that the Flash won't be taking the Surfer for a majority.

Unless you happen to be great dane, that is.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Has Surfer ever been at two different places, at the same time fighting two different battles with two different teams......all at the same time? With no one being the wiser?? Flash has 😗

I can see Flash beating Surfer if he plays it extremely smart, and only uses his best moves (Speed Force dump, Kinetic steal, saying the speed formula)

Is this fight taking place at 2 different locations? No. Ok so your feat proves that Flash is fast, I don't think anyone was debating that.

Actually, now that I think about it, SS has given portions of his power to others to carry out battles elsewhere. So he actually can be in two places at the same time. HA!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Has Surfer ever been at two different places, at the same time fighting two different battles with two different teams......all at the same time? With no one being the wiser?? Flash has 😗

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I can see Flash beating Surfer if he plays it extremely smart, and only uses his best moves (Speed Force dump, Kinetic steal, saying the speed formula)

As for, stealing his Kietic energy, surfer can phase his body, and attack flash with TP attacks.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5397090

Flash certainly has the potential to hurt Surfer, but basically, this is a powerful one trick pony vs a powerful multi-trick pony.

Surfer flies into space and destroys the planet Flash is on.

IMO, this is not a fair match.

Yeah, phasing +TP=Flash going down like a chump.

Surfer becomes microscopic and Flash is not going to find him... Ever. He then proceeds to do whatever he wants against Wally.

Compared to Flash, Surfer IS a god.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Is this fight taking place at 2 different locations? No.

Actually.....yes 😐

Originally posted by Validus
JLA Secret Files & Origins 2004
-Wally is fast enough to be on two teams, fighting different enemies across the globe at the same time. oh

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I'm not saying that Flash wins majority, but this ONE trick pony's ONE trick is a tactical advantage that he can use in many different ways 😬

Saying the speed formula gives him an even bigger speed advantage, just throwing that out there

Also, giving others powers has nothing to do with this fight 😕
Its SS vs Flash.....where is this random bystander he can give his powers too?

I like Surfer, I do, but I can see flash taking at the very least 4/10

(and Ive yet to see Surfer HIMSELF be in two places at once 😬 )

well i think saying flash cant take SS momentum really doesnt make sense. if the argument here is because its nt from the speedforce, then SS cant do anything to flash that has to deal with the power cosmic becuse it doesnt exist in the dcu. im just saying. i really do think flash would be able to steal his speed. and not only that, but the flash has speedforce attnuement right? all knowledge of anything moving at high speeds of all time. so he'd know wher ss is at all times right? atleast while hes moving.

if anything, i'd say this fight were to end up at around 5/5.

but i really do think flash can beat SS

SS easy

Originally posted by Jax_Jax
well i think saying flash cant take SS momentum really doesnt make sense. if the argument here is because its nt from the speedforce, then SS cant do anything to flash that has to deal with the power cosmic becuse it doesnt exist in the dcu. im just saying. i really do think flash would be able to steal his speed. and not only that, but the flash has speedforce attnuement right? all knowledge of anything moving at high speeds of all time. so he'd know wher ss is at all times right? atleast while hes moving.

if anything, i'd say this fight were to end up at around 5/5.

but i really do think flash can beat SS

Again, I ask isnt't cosmic power energy derived from the cosmos/Universe. That is to say, power channelled through the emense heat/radiation/energy that stars, nebulas, pulsars etc... give off.

If this is the case, why wouldn't it exist in the DC Universe?

Originally posted by nimbus006
Again, I ask isnt't cosmic power energy derived from the cosmos/Universe. That is to say, power channelled through the emense heat/radiation/energy that stars, nebulas, pulsars etc... give off.

If this is the case, why wouldn't it exist in the DC Universe?

Originally posted by Juntai
And Speedforce is just a fancy name for the sum of all motion. Doesn't motion exist in Marvel?

its been shown not to (but the fight is on neutral ground anyway both have all their powers)

Originally posted by Juntai
And Speedforce is just a fancy name for the sum of all motion. Doesn't motion exist in Marvel?

I didn't say it doesn't exist in Marvel. I just wanted to know why power cosmic wouldn't exist in DC. 😉

If Flash sticks to his top moves (Speed Force dump, etc) and not stupid stuff like those finger snap things, he can get a couple wins.

But it doesn't seem like he ever fights to his smartest use of said powers.

I honestly can't see Flash winning any against Surfer. Don't get me wrong, I know that Flash is a bad MoFo, but Surfer has to many counters against Flash's abilities. I doubt that Flash could just dump him into the speedforce because Surfer is capable of moving fast enough to escape, and is able to traverse dimensions anyway so BFR is pretty much out for Flash. Kinetic energy absorption doesn't seem to be an option, because Surfer could probably generate more kinetic than Flash could steal. IMP's would admittedly hurt, but Surfer's handled things like stars before without to much trouble(I'm speaking of the reference of an IMP hitting with the force of a White Dwarf star).

So I see Surfer taking it 10/10, but I'm sure they would all be hard fought wins.

And just so no one says I'm biased, I'll say now that Surfer is the ONLY herald I see taking 10/10 against. Flash would take the majority against most of the others(and against some of the ones that are fairly low on the Herald totem pole like Nova, I actually see Flash taking it 10/10).

Originally posted by darthgoober
I honestly can't see Flash winning any against Surfer. Don't get me wrong, I know that Flash is a bad MoFo, but Surfer has to many counters against Flash's abilities. I doubt that Flash could just dump him into the speedforce because Surfer is capable of moving fast enough to escape, and is able to traverse dimensions anyway so BFR is pretty much out for Flash. Kinetic energy absorption doesn't seem to be an option, because Surfer could probably generate more kinetic than Flash could steal. IMP's would admittedly hurt, but Surfer's handled things like stars before without to much trouble(I'm speaking of the reference of an IMP hitting with the force of a White Dwarf star).

So I see Surfer taking it 10/10, but I'm sure they would all be hard fought wins.

And just so no one says I'm biased, I'll say now that Surfer is the ONLY herald I see taking 10/10 against. Flash would take the majority against most of the others(and against some of the ones that are fairly low on the Herald totem pole like Nova, I actually see Flash taking it 10/10).

I don't think Flash has ever reached a limit of what amount of kinetic energy he can take. He's mainlined to the source of all kinetic energy. He is the avatar of motion.

But yeah Surfer would probably take majority.