anyway....
How then were you supposed to learn from your sinfull behaviour if you are permananty tortured in Hell?
Isn't hell supposed to be rehabilitative place? And if so, why are people being tortured? How can you expect someone to learn something if you torture him/her?
If it was supposed to be a punishment, why are you being punished with aprox 30 years of sinning with eternity in hell? Doesn't at some point punishent equal the crime and then the purpetrator can just go...to heaven or something?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How then were you supposed to learn from your sinfull behaviour if you are permananty tortured in Hell?Isn't hell supposed to be rehabilitative place? And if so, why are people being tortured? How can you expect someone to learn something if you torture him/her?
If it was supposed to be a punishment, why are you being punished with aprox 30 years of sinning with eternity in hell? Doesn't at some point punishent equal the crime and then the purpetrator can just go...to heaven or something?
God is not the Mikado
But on a more relevant point as Nellinator has been saying Hell is not eternal. I'd think that if there is a Hell its probably meant to be a penetentiary not a torture chamber.
Originally posted by Thundar
You have to admit, PVS did make a worthy attempt at trying to use the good ol "flood and confuse" method(sic).
His major problem in using the technique, was forgetting that in order for the technique to be successful, one needs to have more knowledge of what it is they're talking about, then the people they're trying to confuse.
thats what smart people do when they are challenged by a more valid point. they concede.
you cry and insult as a means of distraction.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You can keep PVS.....he will only bring intense negativity to your religion, and give you religion an even worse name than it already has to some people....PVS and myself are both Liberal, however, I have less respect for him than I do for most of the Conservatives on this forum...
He beleives that Victory can be found by answering Hatred with MORE Hatred, and he can't see how wrong he is.....I do not want a person like that on my side, so if you want him..TAKE HIM !
get aids
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
God is not the MikadoBut on a more relevant point as Nellinator has been saying Hell is not eternal. I'd think that if there is a Hell its probably meant to be a penetentiary not a torture chamber.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Chanting a phrase you don't actally understand does not make you closer to enlightment or your life better.
In fact, i protest things like that. One should chant something that is dear to him/her and understands it. Buddha understood the change society will go through, and at the same time he understood the barriers of language and culture - of which he also spoke.
Its that hollywood idea that ''if i chant something in a different language it will magically do something for me''
Not having a go at you, Lu, Im having a go at that phrase and people who imported it from east..
Im done now.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your personal interpretation of hell is fine, but it does not nill the Biblical and Qur'anic imlication of torture and hell fire.Chanting a phrase you don't actally understand does not make you closer to enlightment or your life better.
In fact, i protest things like that. One should chant something that is dear to him/her and understands it. Buddha understood the change society will go through, and at the same time he understood the barriers of language and culture - of which he also spoke.Its that hollywood idea that ''if i chant something in a different language it will magically do something for me''
Not having a go at you, Lu, Im having a go at that phrase and people who imported it from east..
Im done now.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is not magic and I do understand what the words mean.
http://www.sgi-uk.org/index.php/buddhism/nam-myoho-renge-kyo
Now you can also know what it means.
SGI is made up of millions of people all over the world. I can chant and do Gongyo with someone from another country even though I do not speak their language. It is like all of us writing in English; that may not be our native language but it allows us to communicate. I would not suggest to anyone to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo without first gaining an understanding of what they are chanting.
Sure, there are some people who believe that Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is magic, but to each their own level of understanding.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is not magic and I do understand what the words mean.http://www.sgi-uk.org/index.php/buddhism/nam-myoho-renge-kyo
Now you can also know what it means.
SGI is made up of millions of people all over the world. I can chant and do Gongyo with someone from another country even though I do not speak their language. It is like all of us writing in English; that may not be our native language but it allows us to communicate. I would not suggest to anyone to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo without first gaining an understanding of what they are chanting.
Sure, there are some people who believe that Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is magic, but to each their own level of understanding.
Second, you understand what they mean based on some loose translation, which again is just pointless.
You know ''nam'' is an action word, but as an idea it means NOTHING to you, because you don't speak Japanese.
Therefore, you are using someone elses words for chanting, because it has been used many times before you. Buddha addressed this issue many times over - the whole point of chanting is to chant what YOU feel and the words which mean something to YOU.
You pray the way you want, that is the whole point!
If you go to a temple and ask a monk there to tell you what to say in your prayer, he will tell you that he cannot decide that for you.
That phrase has beene exploited by the popuar culture of the west to death.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You missed the point.
I know its not magic, FFS, and I know very well what it means.Second, you understand what they mean based on some loose translation, which again is just pointless.
You know ''nam'' is an action word, but as an idea it means NOTHING to you, because you don't speak Japanese.Therefore, you are using someone elses words for chanting, because it has been used many times before you. Buddha addressed this issue many times over - the whole point of chanting is to chant what YOU feel and the words which mean something to YOU.
You pray the way you want, that is the whole point!If you go to a temple and ask a monk there to tell you what to say in your prayer, he will tell you that he cannot decide that for you.
That phrase has beene exploited by the popuar culture of the west to death.
You cannot say what it means to me, and you have no right to judge how I came to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. All of your "concerns" are pointless if it works for me. I am not a fool, I realize that there are many paths, but other things I have tried, did not work for me. If it works for Lord Urizen then he should be allowed to continue chanting. However, his sometimes childish banter can be a little out of line, and he seems to be using Nam Myoho Renge Kyo as a club to beat people with. I think he will grow out of this phase.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That phrase has beene exploited by the popuar culture of the west to death.
Well, we all know that the "west" is the scourge of society.
Pop culture exploits everything. Buddhism is a fad to many people. Does that mean that an misused and cliché phrase can't have real meaning to someone else?
No.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Chanting a phrase you don't actally understand does not make you closer to enlightment or your life better.
In fact, i protest things like that. One should chant something that is dear to him/her and understands it. Buddha understood the change society will go through, and at the same time he understood the barriers of language and culture - of which he also spoke.Its that hollywood idea that ''if i chant something in a different language it will magically do something for me''
Not having a go at you, Lu, Im having a go at that phrase and people who imported it from east..
Im done now.
LIL B, I think you should chill out for a second....how come anytime I say anything somebody's nerve's get popped ? 😂
I find the idea of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo fascinating, and I will chant habitually when I feel ready to commit to putting myself into it. Right now I am at a very busy and hectic point in my life, I can hardly stay dedicated to my weight lifting and drawing, it's hard enough to set aside time and privacy to try out a new method of finding inner peace.
I have been, however, contemplating becoming Buddhist, or at least using Buddhism as my personal philosophy, instead of my prior "Life should be Orgasm" philosophy.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
You cannot say what it means to me, and you have no right to judge how I came to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. All of your "concerns" are pointless if it works for me. I am not a fool, I realize that there are many paths, but other things I have tried, did not work for me. If it works for Lord Urizen then he should be allowed to continue chanting. However, his sometimes childish banter can be a little out of line, and he seems to be using Nam Myoho Renge Kyo as a club to beat people with. I think he will grow out of this phase.
What the hell are talking about ?!?
I did not beat anybody with it, I am not bashing, I am simply repeating a phrase .... I think you take everything I say wayy too seriously....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
LIL B, I think you should chill out for a second....how come anytime I say anything somebody's nerve's get popped ? 😂I find the idea of [b]Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
fascinating, and I will chant habitually when I feel ready to commit to putting myself into it. Right now I am at a very busy and hectic point in my life, I can hardly stay dedicated to my weight lifting and drawing, it's hard enough to set aside time and privacy to try out a new method of finding inner peace.I have been, however, contemplating becoming Buddhist, or at least using Buddhism as my personal philosophy, instead of my prior "Life should be Orgasm" philosophy.
What the hell are talking about ?!?
I did not beat anybody with it, I am not bashing, I am simply repeating a phrase .... I think you take everything I say wayy too seriously.... [/B]
Perhaps I can be too serious at times, but that is just how I read your post. Only you can tell me your true intentions.
Also, from time to time you come up with something brilliant and deeply insightful and then turn around and playfully bash the people around you. So, forgive me if I miss interpret your intent from time to time.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Perhaps I can be too serious at times, but that is just how I read your post. Only you can tell me your true intentions.
My intentions on KMC are to learn, hear other's pov, broaden by mind, search new possibilities, and interact with other people. My only other intention is to share my point of view, and see what people would think of my personal input.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, from time to time you come up with something brilliant and deeply insightful
Why, thank you 🙂
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
and then turn around and playfully bash the people around you.
I dont see how chanting Nam Myoyo Renge Kyo was bashing anybody....did you think I was bashing you ? Why would i do that ?
i don't "playfully bash"
Any sarcasm, humor, playful offensiveness that I deliver (i.e. Orgasmism, Jesus is inside me, etc.) is me simply be being a goofball and indulging in a slight high of stupidity (i need that every once in a while)
That kind of behavior I display is not meant to start trouble or attack anybody.
When i really bash somebody, you KNOW it's bashing....i don't circle my way around it.
The only people I have ever bashed on KMC have been AdarksiedJedi, Jesusisalive, Whobdamandog, Marcello, and PVS...and that's because I personally think they are closed minded, judgemental, and hateful people...
And I've never used a religious chant to bash them with...I bash them directly and fiercely, not sarcastically
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, forgive me if I miss interpret your intent from time to time.
That's okay, I'm always here to correct 😉