Originally posted by peejayd
* mr.nellinator, i would like to ask why do you believe that hell is not eternal... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i don't know about that... what i know was an everlasting fire for Satan, his angels and his converts... 😉
Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked shall perish, And the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."
Ezekiel 28:17-19
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled my sanctuaries by the multitude of thy iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt become a terror, and never shalt thou be forever."
An interesting thing to recognize here is the clear allusion to Genesis 3:14 in the line 'I will cast thee to the ground' because it is correctly translated 'I DID cast thee to the ground'.
Genesis 3:14
And the Lord said unto the serpent, "Because thou done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life...
'All the days of thy life' caught my attention and implies that Satan will be destroyed eventually.
Originally posted by Alliance
Obviously, but he's not being specific.How is "the meaning" not "the entire meaning?"
How is "the entire meaning" not conveyed?
If "the entire meaning" is not conveyed, isn't all we really need to know "the meaning?"
So what was the point of the comment then?
OK this is a bad example but think of the meaning conveyed by Big and Gigantic respectively.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How does Everlasting, and forever more, not equal eternal ? 🤨
Dunno I think it has something to do with the context of the word in this case not the specific word used.
Originally posted by Alliance
Obviously, but he's not being specific.How is "the meaning" not "the entire meaning?"
How is "the entire meaning" not conveyed?
If "the entire meaning" is not conveyed, isn't all we really need to know "the meaning?"
So what was the point of the comment then?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How does Everlasting, and forever more, not equal eternal ? 🤨
Originally posted by lord xyz
Wouldn't you get used to it? I mean, everyone gets used to everything, so why can't we get used to torture? Therefore, if we get used to torture, hell seems to backfire doesn't it?
That is not a right question to be asking to begin with.
The question you should be asking is ''how can soul feel pain to begin with''? Is pain not marely conected to our physical body?
Greeks had a better explanation of hell. Greek hell was all about mental torture (or at least part of it was)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is not a right question to be asking to begin with.The question you should be asking is ''how can soul feel pain to begin with''? Is pain not marely conected to our physical body?
The soul could be forced to remember previous pain inflicted on the physical body.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Greeks had a better explanation of hell. Greek hell was all about mental torture (or at least part of it was)
Psychological torture would of course be more effective on a nonphysical entity and as has been brought up there is no way to build a defense against it (assuming your mind is that of a normal human).
Originally posted by peejayd
* mr.nellinator, i would like to ask why do you believe that hell is not eternal... 😉
I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I decided to answer it.
Here's a couple of verses for you.
Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
John 8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Notice that "death" and "destruction" are referred to as the ultimate punishment for sin. "Eternal" death is just a reference to the opposite state one will be in if they haven't received "eternal" life. It doesn't in any way refer to "torture."
Any torture(or punishment) that one suffers before the second death will be brought upon themselves before it takes place. Paul makes this clear when speaking to the Corinthians.
Corinthians 2 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
So all will receive back exactly what they've given in this life. Be it good or bad. Those who Christ deems have done "good", will obviously receive heaven. And those who he deems have done "bad", he will punish with hell. I imagine Satan and the fallen angels will receive a greater and longer punishment than those men who have rejected God, seeing as how sin originates from them, and they have perpetrated it much longer than any man.
After punishment is over, all of those who have received hell will experience the second death. And again, this death will be "eternal", seeing as how no one will be resurrected from it.
Originally posted by FeceMan
People live with chronic pain. Their pain is the same, day-in and day-out. It does not dull with time. It feels the same on the tenth year of suffering as it does on the first day.
Psychological torture would of course be more effective on a nonphysical entity and as has been brought up there is no way to build a defense against it (assuming your mind is that of a normal human).I had a discussion once with a friend about the perfect torture, and it was psychological in nature.
Could a person "get used" to this? I don't know. Getting used to something involves psychological adaptation, but in this case, that very mechanism is what's being compromised.
Re: Hmm, if you're tortured permanently in hell...
Originally posted by lord xyzTheir is no Hell, get over it. Religion is what you make of it during your time on Earth.
Wouldn't you get used to it? I mean, everyone gets used to everything, so why can't we get used to torture? Therefore, if we get used to torture, hell seems to backfire doesn't it?
Re: Re: Hmm, if you're tortured permanently in hell...
Originally posted by Faceman
Their is no Hell, get over it.
Ever heard of a hypothetical question? For the purposes of answering this question one must assume there is a hell.
Originally posted by Faceman
Religion is what you make of it during your time on Earth.
I agree. No matter what religion you follow your life is still yours to live.
Actually, lil b brings up a good point (something that I was ignoring for the sake of argument): in hell, our physical bodies are not present. There are only souls. Now, in assuming anything about pain in the afterlife, one is assuming that the soul feels pain as the body does.
Thus, there's really no point to this discussion at all.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Actually, lil b brings up a good point (something that I was ignoring for the sake of argument): in hell, our physical bodies are not present. There are only souls. Now, in assuming anything about pain in the afterlife, one is assuming that the soul feels pain as the body does.Thus, there's really no point to this discussion at all.
I agree. You can't really equate the spiritual and the physical.
Originally posted by FeceManUnless one believes in a literal physical resurrection.
Actually, lil b brings up a good point (something that I was ignoring for the sake of argument): in hell, our physical bodies are not present. There are only souls. Now, in assuming anything about pain in the afterlife, one is assuming that the soul feels pain as the body does.Thus, there's really no point to this discussion at all.