Originally posted by Thundar
But having to repeatedly suffer the sins one commited against others, would definitely prove to be an extremely grueling and unbearable affair.
Originally posted by erg
Sure, but what I'm saying is that you could be able to put up with it. But that's not all one will encounter, the real torture is when one goe's to Hell, that will be intolerable there is no way out.
*..umm Ms erg..how do you know you'd be able to put up with it, if you've never experienced it?
*BTW...there shouldn't be a comma before that..be careful..people will use such things against you when you debate...to admonish your credibility..and make themselves and they're arguments look more credible on a movie message board..my friend..😉
Originally posted by Thundar
*..umm Ms erg..how do you know you'd be able to put up with it, if you've never experienced it?*BTW...there shouldn't be a comma before that..be careful..people will use such things against you when you debate...to admonish your credibility..and make themselves and they're arguments look more credible on a movie message board..my friend..😉
Help her out Thundar, Erg makes it so easy to label her ignorant
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Love would never punish. 🙄
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
If I speak in the tongues of men and angels,
but have not love,
I have become sounding brass or a tinkling symbol.
And if I have prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains,
but have not love, I am nothing.
And if I dole out all my goods, and
if I deliver my body that I may boast
but have not love, nothing I am profited.
Love is long suffering,
love is kind,
it is not jealous,
love does not boast,
it is not inflated.
It is not discourteous,
it is not selfish,
it is not irritable,
it does not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth
It covers all things,
it has faith for all things,
it hopes in all things,
it endures in all things.
Love never falls in ruins;
but whether prophecies, they will be abolished; or
tongues, they will cease; or
knowledge, it will be superseded.
For we know in part and we prophecy in part.
But when the perfect comes, the imperfect will be superseded.
When I was an infant,
I spoke as an infant,
I reckoned as an infant;
when I became [an adult],
I abolished the things of the infant.
For now we see through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know as also I was fully known.
But now remains
faith, hope, love,
these three;
but the greatest of these is love.
*Love does not enumerate evil..or revel in it..so logically it will not support evil actions..and condemn those who have commited evil when it takes place...😉
Originally posted by Thundar
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*Love does not enumerate evil..or revel in it..so logically it will not support evil actions..and condemn those who have commited evil when it takes place...😉
Why would you quote the bible? 😕 Love is not a person, love is an emotion, and people who are in love will see past a lot of faults in their lover.
Originally posted by Thundar
*Love does not enumerate evil..or revel in it..so logically it will not support evil actions..and condemn those who have commited evil when it takes place...😉
what desperately zig zagging logic.
the truth is that if god loves all his creatures, and he is ready to eternally damn and torture some of those creatures, then its obvious that they are not loved. therefore god's love is neither unconditional nor eternal. there would be no constructive purpose for eternal damnation, but rather the sick and sadistic semen-drenched revenge of a rather twisted diety. even if one was to suffer for almost eternity and reach some sort of closure, some purpose might be found in it all.
hell is a product of fantasies of revenge, and a method of control via fear.
there is no positive aspect of the human psyche that could conjure up such a wildly sadistic yet disturbingly common theme of eternal suffering in religion.
if the only way one can sell a belief is by enticing one's want for revenge and scaring the shit out of them, their religion is worthless.
then again, im not a real christian so what do i know?
Originally posted by PVS
what desperately zig zagging logic.the truth is that if god loves all his creatures, and he is ready to eternally damn and torture some of those creatures, then its obvious that they are not loved. therefore god's love is neither unconditional nor eternal. there would be no constructive purpose for eternal damnation, but rather the sick and sadistic semen-drenched revenge of a rather twisted diety. even if one was to suffer for almost eternity and reach some sort of closure, some purpose might be found in it all.
hell is a product of fantasies of revenge, and a method of control via fear.
there is no positive aspect of the human psyche that could conjure up such a wildly sadistic yet disturbingly common theme of eternal suffering in religion.if the only way one can sell a belief is by enticing one's want for revenge and scaring the shit out of them, their religion is worthless.
then again, im not a real christian so what do i know?
sorry. i'm a bit of an empath, so of coarse im easily influenced sometimes by the posting styles of others.
Moving on to the actual argument, please provide an actual biblical verse, which supports the account of Hell being eternal "torture."
Luke 16:19-31
"The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades ... he cried and said 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'"
Matthew 13:41, 50
"The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practise lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Revelation 14:10
"If anyone worships the beast ... he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."
Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him Who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Revelation 19:20, 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
ok, now whats your copout loophole? it doesnt actually say "torture?" but rather "torment"?
i know you're intentionally wasting my time. so spill it: whats the punchline?
Originally posted by Thundar
Yes. From the old or new.
hysterical I can't wait...
Originally posted by PVS
Luke 16:19-31"The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades ... he cried and said 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'"
Matthew 13:41, 50
"The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practise lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Revelation 14:10
"If anyone worships the beast ... he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."
Matthew 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him Who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Revelation 19:20, 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
ok, now whats your copout loophole? it doesnt actually say "torture?" but rather "torment"?
i know you're intentionally wasting my time. so spill it: whats the punchline?
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