Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why does KMC let retarded people into the religion forum?How can you be sure that you cannot be sure of God's abilities to infulence your belief about his abilities. Based on your arguments no argument of any sort can ever be made due to theoretical abilities you are ascribing to God. (ask me if you need the big words traslated for you)
In a forum for discussion it is always assumed that a discussion is possible otherwise it would not exist.
Although its quite obvious that Yo_IMURBRO often times presents himself poorly, if you really analyze what he said, you'll see that his basic point was actually a very good one. If I'm interpreting what he said correctly, I think what he was alluding to was that when one possesses limited knowledge, one can only come up with limited conclusions.
Let me simplify a bit. Time is a very abstract concept. Quite frankly put, none of us in this physical world really has a grasp of it. We know it exists(at least to us), but that's really all we know.
One of the most brilliant scientists of the century(perhaps one of the most brilliant minds ever), Albert Einstien, has even alluded to the impossibility of man being able to understand the true nature of time, and that time itself is most likely an illusionary concept, put in place by a supreme being to assist man.
So when an individual states something like the following:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nothing that exists outside of time can be the cause of temporal changes.
And states so in such an affirmitive/conclusive manner, it's quite apparent that such an argument being made is an extremely limited one, regardless of how eloquent it is in presentation.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Life is only meaningful because we make it meaninful....if someone truly beleives thier existance is meaningless, than it is....
I think you are partially correct. I believe that first, we have to have faith in God to give us a purpose. Next, we need to have a desire to fulfill whatever purpose God has given us. After we have done this, the final step is having contentment with the purpose we've been given, and enough faith in our God to carry us to its end.
Originally posted by Thundar
I think you are partially correct. I believe that first, we have to have faith in God to give us a purpose.
I beleive you have to beleive your life is meaningful for it to be meaningful
Originally posted by Thundar
Next, we need to have a desire to fulfill whatever purpose God has given us.
You will never know what purpose your God has given you...you will only do what you think this character wants you to do, based on what other people say
Originally posted by Thundar
After we have done this, the final step is having contentment with the purpose we've been given, and enough faith in our God to carry us to its end.
So according to you, all people who do not beleive in God are worthless ? 😬
Originally posted by Thundar
But still one has to take into consideration that the definition of time given to us, is a very limited one. Without possessing a complete understanding of time, then none of us are really qualified to say what is possible to do outside of it.
The definition of time has not been given to us. We decided upon it.
I am not arguing whether it applies, it might be wrong, just saying in case it does that was a contradicition.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Betcha that you can't create the universe by willing it into existence.
Then again I would bet you anything (according to you I bet my eternal soul) that neither did a God.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Acts 13:48 addresses Gentiles,
* you know what Gentiles are, right? two verses above it...
"And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.
For so the Lord has commanded us, saying, I have set you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth."
Acts 13:46-47
* Gentiles were not offered salvation before... until Saint Paul came and preached to them the word of God... wrong interpretation of predestination...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
and 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 addresses non-Christians.
* just another 2 verses above it...
"The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders,
And with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."
II Thessalonians 2:9-10
* they refused to love the truth and so be saved... err, refusing... predestination or free will?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I posted seven verses in which God predetermines who will believe in Him, who will not believe in Him, who He will glorify, who He will condemn, on whom He will have mercy, etc.
* yes, seven misinterpreted verses taken out of context...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
and you have posted one verse that does not even address free will.
* the power to choose? does not address free will?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nice try.
* yeah, nice try... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well Deuteronomy is talking about curses, not free will. The whole book is about the "Laws, festivals and Sabbaths."
* choosing is not free will?
Originally posted by debbiejo
And there wasn't a church at that time.
* wrong...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Also there was no teaching of hell by Moses.
* wrong...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Only curses for not following the laws.
* to follow and to follow not... choosing this or that... yeah, not free will... 😉