African-American Slavery

How hypocritical is it that this country has and always been "the land of the free" where every human citizen born in this country had rights yet this atrocity happened.

"My God, Hamilton..We are going to pay for this one day."

- U.S. President Thomas Jefferson speaking with Hamilton at his plantation, on his second floor porch, overlooking a cotton-field full of his slaves.

Actually, it only said "all men are created equal"

1. Men only

2. Rich White men.

I would not say hypocrytical but it was a huge mistake they have made while making the decleration of independence. That is why they were also known as the "drunk old guys."

Originally posted by JacopeX

I would not say hypocrytical but it was a huge mistake they have made while making the decleration of independence. That is why they were also known as the "drunk old guys."

Or the Framers of this country our great Founding Fathers or American heroes. Can you believe that sh*t?, lol

Pfft. My a$$. Every dead U.S. President that ever owned slaves should be, posthumously, tried and convicted for felonious crimes against humanity, liquidate as much of their legacies as possible in the form of cash payment, (refunds rather) and then put in unmarked graves.

It does say its land of the free too, however what is more ironic is that 1/4 of all worlds population which is imprisoned is imprisoned in America alone. Land of the free.

It also says its the land of the brave, then 3 planes hit the 2 buildings and people are shitting themselves and think that everyone with arabic or persian name is gonna blow themselves up in front of them.

The good news is, that there is a high percentage of Americans which are not as such. African-American slavery was tragic - but it wasnt the most tragic one by far.
Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

African-American slavery was tragic - but it wasnt the most tragic one by far.
Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

African-American slavery is by far the most tragic episode in all of American history.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
African-American slavery is by far the most tragic episode in all of American history.

That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.

And there are far more brutal things happened in WORLD history. America(ns) think they are by far the most important - they are not. Your history is not long nor impressive.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.

Ditto. Especially when Jackson was in office, since he deliberately disobeyed the Supreme Court and ordered the Cherokee be forcibly marched out of Georgia; and nobody bothered to stop the army from going through with it. The system of checks and balances was ignored, and nobody put a stop to that, either.

As it continued, entire tribes were wiped out. Not just decimated, wiped out entirely. The Yahi in California in particular are now extinct entirely (yes that term may sound a little harsh, and it's not meant as such, but it *is* accurate), and I seem to recall there was at least one MORE tribe in California that was wiped from the face of the earth.

Can you make that claim about slavery? Yes, several thousand died. But did the entire race get killed off? Did the entire race get wiped out, even while laws and rulings by the US government supposedly assured them legal protection? We broke our word with the Native Americans more times than any one person could hope to count. The majority of the Native Americans killed were dispatched for the sole reason that they were so lowly regarded in society's eyes that in some places it was legal to hunt them. Not as fugitives, but as wild game.

Also, Fist of the North, which is more hypocritical? The US for allowing slavery for so long, or the fact that a great deal of the slaves were kidnapped or captured by African tribes before being sold to whites; and that everyone turns the other cheek and pretends it was the whites that did it all?

Was slavery a tragedy in US history? Yes. Yet the blame rests equally with the people who sold their fellow man into slavery in the first place; who, more than likely, are the ancestors of the portion of African Americans that continue to assert it's all the white man's fault.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Read up on the slavey and injustice done to other people around the world - you'll be suprised.

Can you give other examples. I think what The Chinese Government has done to its own people has been pretty bad.

I think its hard to say whats worse African slavery or the oppression of the American Indians. Both incidents are so bad you dont even want to think about it or compare them.

If it wasn't for slavery Black people wouldn't be in America they would be stuck in Africa killing each other.

And for me I am sick of younger black people bitching about slavery they were never slaves and because of there grand parents they got into America. If you’re that mad about slavery go back to Africa and look what you would have had without it.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
If it wasn't for slavery Black people wouldn't be in America they would be stuck in Africa killing each other.

And for me I am sick of younger black people bitching about slavery they were never slaves and because of there grand parents they got into America. If you’re that mad about slavery go back to Africa and look what you would have had without it.

Which is of course bullshit. Without slavery and European rule over Africa the continent would have been very different.

I do agree that they shouldn't complain about slavery though.

Anyways back to the topic. The murder of the Indians seems worse to me then the slavery issue. Sure slavery was bad, but it's not like it was anything like the systematical extermination of an entire group of the population.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Can you give other examples. I think what The Chinese Government has done to its own people has been pretty bad.

I think its hard to say whats worse African slavery or the oppression of the American Indians. Both incidents are so bad you dont even want to think about it or compare them.

As far as Africa goes, it was West Euope in general which has caused that, it wasn't strictly America. African slavey was so shocking because it was so recent. Tribes of North America and South America are extinct. (to use a harsh word) There are no more. They were ethnically clensed by people who came to their land.

Euroasia was under slavery of Turkish Ottoman Empire for 500 years - it begun before slavery in America and ended after slavey in America was abloished. People were killed, totured put on spikes, lynched, and enslaved.
Boys were stolen from their homes and taken to Turkey where they would be trained as Janissary.
Im sure you've heard of Armenian genocide.
I am not even gonna go into the slaves which were taken from Persia to Arabia.

A lot of things done to India are very rarely spoken of.

I agree that the African slavey was terrible, but everyone is speaking of it like it was the only thing that happened, and like it was the worst. I am only pointing out, that there were things which were/are tragic today everywhere else.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How hypocritical is it that this country has and always been "the land of the free" where every human citizen born in this country had rights yet this atrocity happened.

"My God, Hamilton..We are going to pay for this one day."

- U.S. President Thomas Jefferson speaking with Hamilton at his plantation, on his second floor porch, overlooking a cotton-field full of his slaves.

That is hypocritical, though not a hypocrisy of the modern United States.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Euroasia was under slavery of Turkish Ottoman Empire for 500 years - it begun before slavery in America and ended after slavey in America was abloished. People were killed, totured put on spikes, lynched, and enslaved.

Did they really...how interesting. I might have to look into this. Was this by any chance because they didn't accept Islam?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Boys were stolen from their homes and taken to Turkey where they would be trained as Janissary.
Im sure you've heard of Armenian genocide.
I am not even gonna go into the slaves which were taken from Persia to Arabia.

Im going to have to look into this as well.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

A lot of things done to India are very rarely spoken of.

I agree that the African slavey was terrible, but everyone is speaking of it like it was the only thing that happened, and like it was the worst. I am only pointing out, that there were things which were/are tragic today everywhere else.

Fair enough. I think the problem is that it is relatively recent and what happened back then still affects Africa and Europe today.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Did they really...how interesting. I might have to look into this. Was this by any chance because they didn't accept Islam?

Im going to have to look into this as well.

Fair enough. I think the problem is that it is relatively recent and what happened back then still affects Africa and Europe today.

There are plenty of recent things that affect Europe and the US far more then slavery did. At least there would be if the United States would stop worrying about slavery already.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Pfft. My a$$. Every dead U.S. President that ever owned slaves should be, posthumously, tried and convicted for felonious crimes against humanity, liquidate as much of their legacies as possible in the form of cash payment, (refunds rather) and then put in unmarked graves.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You are a self-serving as$hole.

Oh not just that, but a hypocritical one at that.

I mean hell, he's ranting about how every "human citizen born in this country" (it's in quotes, because I'll get to it in a moment) has rights. While simultaneously suggesting we put people who are completely incapable of defending themselves or obtaining a lawyer (let alone showing up in the first place) on trial to strip away everything they have, from their descendants and any portion of the American public that benefitted from their money (in the form of donations, etc).

Now, on to the "human citizen" part. In all likelihood, I'll be outright flamed for saying this, and make a lot of enemies (despite the fact that in no way do I approve of the statement or the ideology behind it):

Back then, slaves and their offspring were not officially / legally recognized as human OR citizens. Hell, Jefferson personally believed that blacks were 1/3 Orangutan (you can look this up if you don't believe me).

Now, as horribly unfair as that was, it was entirely legal. In fact for quite some time, if you even taught a slave to read when it wasn't absolutely necessary (which would be if it was a shipping yard, store, etc), you could be in serious trouble with the law. At the worst they were regarded legally as property, and at best was once the Constitution came into effect and they were recognized as 2/3 a person for the purpose of establishing representation in the House of Representatives. You can't just try people who lived hundreds of years ago based on laws that were only established after their death; and whether you like it or not, or refuse to admit it, what they did was entirely legal at the time. Horribly inhumane and immoral, but legal.

Now, I'll just sit back and wait for the first flames to come in. Since, I really doubt anybody who wants to be offended will bother to either read or believe the statement that I in no way endorse that particular viewpoint.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You are a self-serving as$hole.

I'd sh*t on every slave owning U.S. presidents grave if I could. For free too.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'd sh*t on every slave owning U.S. presidents grave if I could. For free too.

Then do it and leave us alone.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
If it wasn't for slavery Black people wouldn't be in America they would be stuck in Africa killing each other.

And for me I am sick of younger black people bitching about slavery they were never slaves and because of there grand parents they got into America. If you’re that mad about slavery go back to Africa and look what you would have had without it.

That's not true African-Americans could of Migrated from different countries. And not all Black people come from Africa just some.
Also not all younger black people are like that . How would you feel if your race were slaves,and kind of are still one of the races being treated like dogs in some places. Sometimes there's a reason why they do that. Sometimes they may do it just to be ignorant,and ofcourse you would be upset if you here the stories about your ancestors past. the same thing goes fgor the. Jews, I suppose your going to tell them to go back to Poland. 🙂

meh. bad shit happens all the time. it bothers me that this instance gets so much lip service.

fistofthenorth, i encourage you to talk a vow of silence. aside from the fact that you, if born and raised in the same period as the founding fathers, wouldn't have given a fart in the wind for a slave, shitting in anyone's grave is juvenile and idiotic.