Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is subjective. For me it is the brutal genocide of millions of Native Americans. That is the worst atrocity in American history.
How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.
It's incomparable.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.It's incomparable.
You're right, it is incomparable.
The slaves supplied from Africa to the Western World were almost entirely captured or kidnapped BY other Africans. Not whites, but their own countrymen. The policy of enslaving members of other tribes was already in place, but once it was discovered the Western World would eagerly buy up those slaves, the practice began in earnest.
STILL run by the Africans. All the whites did was sell them again to make their profit, and provide the shipping to carry them to foreign lands.
The genocide of millions of Native Americans on the other hand, was largely a result of the citizens of the US at the time wanting more land, or whatever was in that land (the gold in the Black Hills for example), and just going to every possible length to either get rid of the Native Americans entirely; or kill them off. Whichever was perceived to be easier.
Slavery, while tragic, can hardly hold a candle to the methodic extermination of the Native Americans, for something as trivial as land, resources, and occasionally nothing more than sport.
yeah, i agree that slavery is one of the most tragic occurences to take place in American history, but i also think the genocide of Native Americans was a worse occurence. I also really think the attitude of hatred towards american presidents who owned slaves is a little ridiculous. I understand it was terrible, but it was the thing of the time. It was accepted. I'm not promoting the idea of accepting slavery, but im just saying for the time, they were just doing the norm, so i woudln't freak out about it.
Originally posted by Seth Wynd
You're right, it is incomparable.The slaves supplied from Africa to the Western World were almost entirely captured or kidnapped BY other Africans. Not whites, but their own countrymen. The policy of enslaving members of other tribes was already in place, but once it was discovered the Western World would eagerly buy up those slaves, the practice began in earnest.
Im pretty sure its not as simple as "as soon as The Africans found out." The Europeans encourgaed them as well, so both Africans and Europeans were to blame.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How could you even compare the native-American genocide committed by Whites in the U.S. to a half millennia of forced servitude and the tortures of Black slavery.It's incomparable.
You're right, its not comparable.
Considering the number of natives that were in America who lived in America for 10 000 years pre-European coming, including South America then, and now, is just shocking.
These people were hunted and murdered till there were no more left!
Native Americans offered food and shelter to the people who came to their land, and the white people broke their promices and their words to the Native Americans over and over and over again! White people STOLE Native American's land - the land on which they were born and died for 10 000 years prior to that.
Goddamn right its shocking!
Stop wallowing in your self pity.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You're right, its not comparable.Considering the number of natives that were in America who lived in America for 10 000 years pre-European coming, including South America then, and now, is just shocking.
These people were hunted and murdered till there were no more left!
Native Americans offered food and shelter to the people who came to their land, and the white people broke their promices and their words to the Native Americans over and over and over again! White people STOLE Native American's land - the land on which they were born and died for 10 000 years prior to that.
Goddamn right its shocking!
Stop wallowing in your self pity.
Don't get upset with either me or your history. I'm merely pointing out that African American slavery was the worst kind of barbarism committed in American history. African Americans were killed spiritually, physically, and mentally. They were stripped of their cultures and families and forced to serve. And that's not counting the ones who endured the bs. But even worse, African Americans were stripped from there land, forced to enter a cold, foreign one, and work for free for half a thousand years in the u.s., and native Americans got it worse? Please. At least they were on familiar land where some or most were able to navigate it fairly well in order to escape effectively enough. Why do you think Whites weren't able to hold them as slaves, which is what they wanted natives as originally.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Oh, get off your high horse man. You act like slavery is something the whites invented and kept only to themselves because they are inherently wicked. Get over yourself and stop playing like you have the moral high ground.
First of all, it was the Africans themselves that were selling whites other Africans as slaves for profit.
Second of all, slavery has been around since the dawn of civilization. It was nothing new. It was a practice used by every race on the face of the earth. And in fact, Americans took a stand against it and they even fought a war in order to free the slaves (remember the Civil War?).
What really compels you to point your finger and say "Oh, look at how terrible those people are! Look at how hypocritical they are!" Are you trying to do something constructive, or are you just pointing out atrocities of the past for no real constructive reason at all? While we can learn much from the past, there's really no need to dwell on it. There’s certainly no need to convict dead presidents for crimes against humanity. What purpose would that serve? You’re just being ridiculous. Slaves and slave owners have been around for a LONG time, buddy, and they have been of all difference races. That certainly doesn't make it right, but my question is why single out the white race? Unless you are a tad bit racist yourself, I don’t see the point of all this finger-pointing in regard to slavery. It’s largely a thing of the past, and America played a part in that (yes, even the white man played a role).
Don’t you think we know slavery was wrong? Why do you feel the need to shove it down our throats? It’s not like it’s a secret. You shouldn’t think you’re more enlightened or morally superior to anyone, because your racism against whites is quite apparent in your rantings.
FotN, you're pulling that "willful ignorance" crap again....
I'm merely pointing out that African American slavery was the worst kind of barbarism committed in American history.
And it wasn't. ONE OF the worst kinds yes, but THE worst? No. Hell, it's not just people that know about the Native Americans who'd disagree with you, either. There's several people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who'd LOVE to tell you how absolutely full of yourself you are right now.
African Americans were killed spiritually, physically, and mentally.
...and boy do you live a sheltered life if you honestly believe African Americans were the only ones to go through that.
They were stripped of their cultures and families and forced to serve.
By their fellow Africans.
But even worse, African Americans were stripped from there land, forced to enter a cold, foreign one, and work for free for half a thousand years in the u.s., and native Americans got it worse?
Yes they did. Also, they didn't work for free. Room and board counts as payment. Yes it was meager, and not something anyone in their right mind would like to endure, but it was enough to keep them alive.
What'd the Native Americans get?
Epidemics, forced into "reservations" with little or no shelter, nowhere near enough food, horrible living conditions, and rampant disease. One could argue more died on these "reservations" than they did hunted down by the Europeans, Americans, and generally everyone else in the area.
As for the African Americans being stripped of their identity: ...that somehow makes them more tragic than the Native Americans HOW? It happened to them too. Or did you actually think they've had casinos the whole time? That's not the biggest example, but it's one you should HOPEFULLY know about (the Cherokee tried to adopt every bit of White culture they could, hoping it would keep the Americans around them from trying to force them out like they had other tribes in the past. They'd wear white-man clothes, run plantations, and learn the language. It didn't work, they were forced out anyway).
Why do you think Whites weren't able to hold them as slaves, which is what they wanted natives as originally.
On a hunch: I'd have to go with "because numerous tribes fought to the death." That, and in several cases the military got carried away and rather than arrest or capture a tribe, they'd just shoot them all.
Stop throwing a pity-party and trying to pretend your race somehow had the greatest tragedy in US history. They didn't, and the Africans were just as much to blame as the Westerners. WE didn't know where to find slaves in Africa. Rival tribes solved that problem by kidnapping one anothers members and selling them off; even forcing them to march to the shore to be loaded onto the ships so we wouldn't have to handle that ourselves.
You wanna point fingers? I'd start hunting down your family tree.
Originally posted by Seth Wynd
FotN, you're pulling that "willful ignorance" crap again....You wanna point fingers? I'd start hunting down your family tree.
Why do White people always feel the need to justify African-American slavery in a way that paints them and past Whites as guiltless. They say things like "It's not our fault, other Blacks offered the Blacks" or "Others were responsible for it too.." You all accepted the Blacks captives, didn't you?
And Whites always makes past Whites seem heroic. People like Washington, Jefferson and Jackson. Fcuk them dead mofo's. My family tree isn't tainted with innocent slave blood, i can assure you. But i bet that there's a higher chance that yours was written in it.
When will most of the Whites in this country stop with all the bs. It's been more than half a millennia of this racial crap, in this country, with them. "The land of the free" where "Everyone has equal rights". Please.
Every heard of Black tax? Where Blacks/colored people have to climb 20,000 ft. to get to the mountain top whiles Whites only have to climb 200 ft. in order to be successful? Do not deny that it is harder to be a Black or colored human in this country, than it is to be White. And that's the problem. Whites won't admit to that. Whites think Blacks are treated equally. And that's absolutely wrong.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Why do White people always feel the need to justify African-American slavery in a way that paints them and past Whites as guiltless. They say things like "It's not our fault, other Blacks offered the Blacks" or "Others were responsible for it too.." You all accepted the Blacks captives, didn't you?
Exactly.
Originally posted by Blaxican
Slavery was and most racial "injustices" today are the result of black stupidity, sadly. My family being a point-case.
Most racial injustices are Blacks fault. Well when you step out of your moon crater and return to earth, you'll see what you're saying is BS.
And lemme guess: Whites are in no way at fault for racism. They practically popularize/d it in this country. Did you forget the "Whites Only" or "Colored Only" signs placed on every water fountain there was. Was that Blacks fault. Maybe on the moon it is, eh? Face it, most Whites, in the US, don't like Blacks because of skin.
And hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of Blacks in the U.S. would agree.
Why do White people always feel the need to justify African-American slavery in a way that paints them and past Whites as guiltless.
Blacks AND whites are responsible for the slavery that took place in the US.