Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthI'm no expert, but if the U.S. apologized to the Japs, then it was also directed to many Japs who were alive at the time of the bombing and were alive at the apology. Unless there's some 300 year old slave still going somewhere, then where's that apology going?
Yet no compensation, not even an apology by the federal gov't, whom played the biggest hand in African-American slavery, has been handed out. Our compensation is the racism dished out by most Whites in this country, daily.I'm mean, the Japs received compensation from the federal gov't over the whole thing with the u.s. nuking the shite out of 'em in wwii. While, during the time, Black-"American citizens" were literally spat on, punched in the face, discriminated hard against, humiliated, & hanged by Whites everyday, all over the u.s., over having a different skin hue.
And the same BS still goes on today in this stupid country with this ****in' majority, with their sh*t American values everyone has to fcukin' conform to. It's just now their racism is a little more indirect or not as blatant towards Blacks now. But it's still there; with it not ever, ever going away.
Fist-Of-Northstar, you are not alone, don't ever think that, it just that most African Americans don’t like to keep trying to convince other people of their own history, especially when its so obvious. African Americans are not trying to make white people acknowledge their bad behavior, it’s just that since they never did admit it to themselves.
They continue to repeat this behavior in some way, and what’s worse teach it to their children in some form, and therefore other people(especially darker ones), since white Americans and Europeans control the world at this time, are going to be the ones that have to put up with the nonsense, and black people are tired of the nonsense, they want to live progressive, productive lives, living in peace from other people’s insecurities that they must work out but have never done so, but instead attack and try to limit other people’s satisfaction.
The kind of feedback you are getting is the result of a form of mental conditioning which is present in America and has existed since before the founding of the country. The world at it’s core, is based on black and white, no matter what anyone tells you, it's that way. I know that’s very sad, but it’s the truth, it is a very ignorant factor but that’s the way those who have the political power see thing by worth and that why the world’s so messed up.
When people use you and treat you how they want for some centuries and define your every minute of existence, and are taught that you are everything negative, don't expect them to respect your feelings and understand why you would personally feel tha it's the worst, since people like you suffered and pain from it day after day for hundreds of years and are still suffering from it.
What happened to other places are the world is very sad, what happened to Native Americans is very sad and was brutal, but as one poster mentioned, you can't compare the two, they are so terrible, that it hurts to even talk about them, but you must, you must talk about them and seek to learn and more importantly, acknowledge your faults and the faults of people like you in ruining other people's lives and all that they come have been up to this point if they hadn't suffer some much injustice.
Someone selling you another human being is not responsible for your brutal inhuman treatment of that human being. The people in Africa are not responsible for the vast damage that Europeans did to the darker people after they brought them to America as slaves.
African women beautiful and lovely, people's mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters, even younger girls, being raped from time to time or for some routinely, for centuries, their sons and husbands, brothers and uncles, dying, being killed and tortured because they do the human thing and fight to protect their own. There's nothing you can do to repay someone back or down play such a horrible history.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions, don’t look the faults of someone else’s history, unless you can acknowledge your own, especially when yours is almost completely filled with acts of oppressive violence and abuse, of not only in Europe but everywhere else also. We are not talking about what the Arabs, Europeans, or other Africans did in their part of this matter of human domination and murder, although it may be related, we are talking about America, it's history. I don't think anyone wants to be tortured and suffer or watch their love ones and peoples be hurt for so long by people who believe its okay to do, just because that was the law according to those white Americans and their law said it was alright, thereby according to them indicating that a man has a right to determine what another man is, can be, see or do with himself, his life and natural freedom.
Every man is just that, a man, no man has any right whatsoever to even imagine that he can, because he is he, tell another man how far he can go in his life. God is in heaven, he is the only being who has to right to give commands just because he is he, the Supreme being, Jehovah. All others are only entitled to command themselves and imposed limits on their own free will. In order for people to exist in a society, in a world, they must respect that fact, respect one another, not even the angels, who are so far in power above humans, have a say in what a man can be or truly is allowed do with himself, since man is also in God's image, just as they are
. Some humans have already went that route and are continuing in that frame of mind. We are human beings, not robots, you can not mistreat a human being for an hour and expect that his mind or emotions are not affected, taxed or hurt from that abused, this is all-the-more-so if its for a period of at least a few hundred years, its a miracle they survived, and the sad reality is that there are people who wished they(African American) were still slaves in America, and so have be trying to ruin and destroy their communities and families ever since they got out of slavery up to today.
Black peoples here in America and abroad are not responsible for the conditions they found themselves in for the most part or still find themselves in economically , since many never got out of from under the poverty that was handed down to them from their ancestors who were placed in extreme poverty by outsiders, they were put into those conditions by people who hate them and taught people around to world to view them negatively.
They are however, responsible for what they do to get out of those poverties conditions, trying through the action of applying themselves to the best of what they can do to better themselves and their surrounding. It can, will or may be harder for them because we live in a very petty and jealous country/world but you can’t allow other people’s inner chaos and fear to psychological impair you from activated your life’s potential.
Also, If some white people are tired of hearing what African American say and talk about the abuses they suffered at the hands of white people, imagine how tired African Americans are as having to bear to the resulting negative opinions and attitudes, and disrespectful behaviors towards them that are imprinted in the atmosphere of American society that makes it seems okay to criticize and misjudge them, even non Americans feel and think negative thins about them, despite never meeting or knowing anything about them.
Firslty, get few things straight.
You stated -
you must talk about them and seek to learn and more importantly, acknowledge your faults and the faults of people like you in ruining other people's lives and all that they come have been up to this point if they hadn't suffer some much injustice
Its the white guilt again, isn't it? We must feel guilty. Well some of us don't.
I am white, and not of anglo-Saxon or even European origin, so in that sense, I don't feel the need to appologize or to feel guilty about your history, as I assume few other people on here as well.
I hate plenty of MY history to feel agrevated and angry about for years to come, and the millions of my people who were killed and enslaved.
What Europeans did was wrong, imperialistic and brutal, but you need to stop indicating how ''white people'' need to appologise and feel the guilt.
People alive today in America had nothing directly to do with enslaving your people.
What you need to deal with is NOW. So prejudices NOW. Not what was done to you ew hundred years ago by those people.
It is about today. And if you keep indicating that all your troubles are still in slavery, then you are not aware of the real problems.
The blame game is old and counterproductive. It does not bring anything constructive to any of black people's lives, it does not deal with real issues and encourages further divisions.
Is there racism - yes yes there is! Thats what needs to be dealt with.
It not about the blame game, it not about white guilt, as a white person in today's world, you may be incapable of recognizing how the then, affects the now, and that is sad. You may be too concern about what's convenient for people like you, it not about you or people like you. You need to stop talking like white people are a victim of other's foolish mindset, you are not getting what you can from this, a way of seeing things, that has been perhaps en-grained won't let you.
Never try to tell or ask a person to forget something like that in their past, you don't have that right, it so disrespectful, among alot of other things. Do you think your feelings or people like you feelings are more important, do you think that writing laws to give people rights forty years ago, with those rights being dishonored all the time for the first twenty years afters and up to this time in someway corrects the damage or offensives done even since they got those rights. The injustices towards black people are still going, and it's all based on perceptions of them established during this past.
The factors set in place that still cause them to suffer around the whole world and it being seen as okay were setup in their past, all of this not done by them but a result of other peoples who are still profiting from their misery, at the expense of heir families or communities. A civilized man recognizes his actions, for his own benefit and the benefit of society, an uncivilized man does anything without regard to the consequences.
Originally posted by Glimmerone
... you are not getting what you can from this, a way of seeing things, ...
This is key right here, you are not getting it either. You are not seeing it from the other side, only from yours.
Never try to tell or ask a person to forget something like that in their past,
Once again it is not alone your past, it is everyones past. And as the term implies it already happened, which is why it is the PAST
The factors set in place that still cause them to suffer around the whole world
I cannot decide where you are coming from you hop around saying it's not about the whole world, but about The U.S. then you go back to the whole world. Pick a topic and stand to it.
The majority of all these posts have said the same thing, slavery was and is bad, yet only 2 main posters actually go so far as to put blame on people today. This is as blameless as it can get, no one alive today actively held, sold, bought or mistreated slaves (Black, as they seem to be the only ones worth mentioning apparently). Blame the past, blame OUR forefathers, but get over it, and work to improve your life today, and those around you.
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My Life is improved, I'm doing quite well and there's nothing for me to get over. I respect people, no matter where they come from, because I understand who we all really are, you all seem to be focus on the white guilt, blame game, and you' seem to only want to hear what you are comfortable with hearing. That's not what I speak for, if you read the post without a defensive angle of thought, you'll see what i'm pointing to, its beneath the surface of the words, it base on understanding and thinking abilities.
Also, I only have one overall stand, the references to things outside of america points to how what happen here has of course reach into other places to influence peoples view of African Americans. Once more for minds that can't see, I'm looking at the whole picture, the way it is, I see much of the good and I know of the bad, my views are not based on a narrow thought pattern or on just what makes people comfortable.
I don't post to gain people's approval or favor and african Americans don't need white people to feel guilt or their approval to feel good, and move on with their lives, they have always moved on, always seeked just to live in peace without interference. However, you'll can't expect for other people to shut-up and take what you want to give them, just so that you can have what you want, and that's what it always been about in america for African Americans and any peoples or person who wants a quality life would be a fool if they didn't people up or at in their own behalf in those circumstances.
There have been improvements and that's okay, but there's still so much to get done. Continous improvement is necessary, not just 1 phrase of its better and so be happy. In order for a nation to be truly productive, it must continue to invest in the quality of life for all its citizens, this will serve to undo a lot of negatives and open the way to enhancing the overall quality of living for everyone in the country.
Originally posted by Glimmerone
There have been improvements and that's okay, but there's still so much to get done. Continous improvement is necessary, not just 1 phrase of its better and so be happy. In order for a nation to be truly productive, it must continue to invest in the quality of life for all its citizens, this will serve to undo a lot of negatives and open the way to enhancing the overall quality of living for everyone in the country.
Your pacifist views are understandable to me. MLK was one and he was a good man. His ideas, or his so called "dream", were extremely unrealistic, but he was a good man none the less. I can understand how you can move on despite, and possibly ignore, what's going on in this country. The thing is Glimmerone, some people cannot go through the daily indignations Blacks go through, in this country, (of all countries) all the time, as smoothly as you can. Some of us won't stay down and stand for it. That "just move on and ignore the fact that they're calling you n*gg*r or that you're being discriminated against" b.s. doesn't fly with some people, man. It shouldn't fly in the US. Whites aren't the only rightful American citizens in this country. And i'm gonna continue letting it be known that the sh*t is a problem. To create awareness that even today, in the future, after everything, racism still exists in this country and that it has to at least cool down.
Racism is unnecessary, to me. It's not smart, business wise and socially. Yet you have all these know it all separatist mf's and the "good 'ol boys" whom still have that racism mentality they pass on in one form or another, directly and indirectly, to peers, friends and family members.
Then non-whites are lashed out with hidden racism by Whites for not being White or at least not acting White -which i don't know how people can do that, how they can sellout like that-
For you ignorance may be bliss but you have to face reality, confront it, deal with it the best way you can, as long as it's at least to quell if not stop it, and pass the word on with the intent of making people act.
I'm not a pacifist Fist-of-North Star, and I do not accept the mistreatment of people of african descent as something lightly. I am not one of those people who feels that as long as I'm doing well, that's all that matters.
I was trying to do something that's quite difficult to do sometimes with people and that's reason with them, so they may see beyond what they believe and what they want you to believe, because having someone believe what they want is less threatening to them, so their comfortable with it.
My last two comments were directed towards the posters that responded to what I said and their repetituous use of the white guilt, blame game theory that they kept using in dealing with comments that they didn't want to hear, in an effort to make me feel and think that such comments like I made were misplaced, when of course they are not only appropriate but there is a continued need for them, making them quite necessary.
Your last post is correct on the way things are and I think most people know that, but they really don't want things to change, they just want the appeareance of change, and for African Americans to just be quiet and stop speaking up or fighting back, which is something that will never happen, black people will always express themselves and fight for what they know is right, its there God given natural right.
As I mentioned, thinks have improved in some areas, but they haven't changed, there's a long way to go and lots of people who just want things to remain a certain way, so they can limit and exploit others because they hold all the political power, media power and wealth, and don't want any sizable amount of that to change. Read my previous posts, the first two of them and maybe you'll see more of what I was saying.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, so were everyones....And why should you get an apology? I mean, I know you weren't a slave....were any of your ancestors?
No kidding, that's ridiculous.
Why should I have to apologize to the entire African American race for something NO ONE in my family did. F*ck, my family didn't even come to America until the 1990s!
So, if I have apologize for something some people, in a country my ancestry had nothing to do with, did just because they're the same race as me, shouldn't every African America have to apologize to America as well for committing 54.4% of the the murder in the country even though they take up only 12.5% of the population?
BS
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthHypothesis: There are 100 white men to only 25 black men. 20% of each group are criminals. That means 20 white criminals to 5 black criminals.
Amen my a$$. You want some raw facts? White commit more murders, in this coutry, than any other race.There are more White people in prison, in this country, than any other race. The majority of crimes in the U.S. are commited by Whites mostly.
Now come with your per-capita crap now.
Numerically, it's uneven, check out the U.S. ethnic demographic Census next time.
I would like to say, once again, that I'm black yet even I think it's stupid to condone white people now for what people did a HUNDRED years ago. FFS you lazy bastards, get a freaking job and stop complaining about how "The man' is bringing you down.
The Government ignores Black People...
... the same way most black wannabe gang bangers ignore and condone the government, all in an effort to look "cool".
White people unjustly don't trust black people...
the same way black people have anatural distrust for white people, and as a result a large amount of black people are extremely racist and perform hate crimes.
You're all just as guilty for the way the world is as anyone else. Get your acts together "my niggaz".
Originally posted by Blaxican
I would like to say, once again, that I'm black yet even I think it's stupid to condone white people now for what people did a HUNDRED years ago. FFS you lazy bastards, get a freaking job and stop complaining about how "The man' is bringing you down.The Government ignores Black People...
... the same way most black wannabe gang bangers ignore and condone the government, all in an effort to look "cool".
White people unjustly don't trust black people...
the same way black people have anatural distrust for white people, and as a result a large amount of black people are extremely racist and perform hate crimes.
You're all just as guilty for the way the world is as anyone else. Get your acts together "my niggaz".
Sounds like you're eyes are sown, brother. If you don't think Blacks aren't still dicriminated against by mostly all whites in this country, then you have another thing coming.