African-American Slavery

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, not my forefathers. I am pretty sure. They probably did other shit though. And it's Bardock.k.k.

Either way. The blacks in the US today would a) not live if that hadn't happened and b) if they did they would lead soo much shittier lives. So, they should actually thank the slave owners. Maybe pay them some gratitude money for bringing their ancestors over.

Oh yea, that's right, they gassed Jewish children.

lol i keep forgetting that you have a Nazi past/history cause you're German or something.

But anyway are you dumb enough to say that Black wouldn't exist in the U.S. if slavery never happened? Right just like means of transportation wouldn't exist in the U.S. if the Write brothers didn't "invent" flight. Ever heard of planes or migration?

Thank slave owners and pay the gratitude money? Most Blacks would say that every White person in the U.S., including you, should pay back the trillions of dollars now being enjoyed by all Whites including you. That you are guilty for sins of the father. Just cause your skin is White. How could've slaves paid back..With what? White made it illegal for Blacks to earn any income for half a millennia, in the U.S.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
I for one am GLAD that my ancestors were brought here, and I'm not living in the sh!thole that is Africa.

Well it's a shithole thanks to White colonization, of course. Like cancer, once Whites stepped foot on it, it was ruined.

Originally posted by Tangible God
What do you want? Honestly, what?

The blacks of 17th-18th, and a good part of 19th century Africa were for the most part better off than their enslaved relatives in the Caribbean and North America. Aside from white settlement driving them from their lands, forcing them to fight back, African blacks of the time were...well-off(?).

However, the blacks of the Western World of nowadays and pretty much all of the 20th century are much.....MUCH better off than the blacks of Africa. And yes, it's rather true that white interference in Africa has fecked the continent up (there were ups and downs to white settlement in the long run), but do you honestly believe those kids you see Alec Trebek and Kelsey Grammer sponsoring are better off than the VAST majority of American blacks now?

It was morally wrong (by current standards) to enslave the Africans in the first place, it was imperialistic and morally wrong (by current standards) to colonize Africa. The tables have ironically turned so that American blacks lead better lives that African blacks.

There have been numerous apologies for slavery, it was abolished a century and a half ago. All slaves, and their owners have decomposed into dust. And it's silly to think that what's right today is right for history. If that were the case, then we better start charging Crassus for crucifying Spartacus' men, Richard I for starting the Third Crusade, or Genghis Khan for overrunning Asia.

What more do you want FOTN?

Like I said being a "well off" African-American slave is the worst of tortures. It's worse than anything any White person in history ever did. I would've rather have died a long/slow and horribly painful death, honestly, than be a "well off" African American slave.

Black Africans have their dignity and they know they weren't ripped from their homes by alien Whites and placed in a land where, as Malcolm X said, is a corrupt, vicious, hypocritical system that has castrated the Black man.

Originally posted by Tangible God
What do you want? Honestly, what?

It was morally wrong (by current standards) to enslave the Africans in the first place, it was imperialistic and morally wrong (by current standards) to colonize Africa. The tables have ironically turned so that American blacks lead better lives that African blacks.

There have been numerous apologies for slavery, it was abolished a century and a half ago. All slaves, and their owners have decomposed into dust. And it's silly to think that what's right today is right for history. If that were the case, then we better start charging Crassus for crucifying Spartacus' men, Richard I for starting the Third Crusade, or Genghis Khan for overrunning Asia.

What more do you want FOTN?

By current standards? Even though mostly all Whites think that slavery was good for blacks back then to me, it was always morally wrong to enslave anyone especially under a country that called itself the land of the free and home of the brave. How hypocritical is that? "All men are created equal" This was honored by the U.S. gov't while it's founders, the very people whom drafted the hypocritical, toilet paper constitution, along with only all Whites, holding millions and millions under captivity as slaves which they deemed unequal. Jeez, that's why the I have no respect for the U.S. gov't. Cause of it's history and the people running it. They are not to be trusted. American blacks live under daily racism from Whites. At least in Africa, the majority are Blacks. And you only hear about the bad parts of Africa cause of how the racist White media always portrays it. Yet Whites don't mind going over and manipulate it's people and their land.

Numerous apologies for slavery? From whom? The U.S. gov't is fully responsible for letting Whites keep slavery and enforcing segregation. That's why I love welfare. I see it as a pathetic attempt at reparations. I love that the Blacks who do get welfare checks actually take it mostly from White middle class families whom most likely had slave master ancestors that profited from slavery and are now, as descendants, enjoying the benefits and privileges. I hope it goes on for a thousand years with more and more money being taken every year. So decomposed my ass. Slave money and it's inheritance hasn't decomposed. Current financial institution that exist now, that benefited from African-American slavery aren't decomposed..

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
He wants you and the people on this board who are white to make an actual thread apologizing for what happened a hundred years ago.

I don't want anything from Whites really. You think an apology would suddenly erase what's happened uncle tommy-boy? But we all know that Whites would love for Blacks to forget slavery ever happened.

They say "Like, it passed, get over it, dude..Just like, act like it never happened, or something." While expecting Blacks to say "Uh, Ok.."

lol, yea right. Never!

Whites will "never forget 9/11" and would raise hell if someone told them otherwise but they want all Blacks to completely forget Slavery. See where the issue is with Whites?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Most Blacks would say that every White person in the U.S., including you, should pay back the trillions of dollars now being enjoyed by all Whites including you.

Why me again? Are you forgetting that I am the guy with the Jew gassing history?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why me again? Are you forgetting that I am the guy with the Jew gassing history?

Would you think it a stretch if it were said that you were guilty by association? Cause you're Euro?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Would you think it a stretch if it were said that you were guilty by association? Cause you're Euro?

Hmm, no, not if you would allow me to say you are included too, as it is guilt by association, cause you are human.

Fair?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, no, not if you would allow me to say you are included too, as it is guilt by association, cause you are human.

Fair?

lol, since when have you, YOU, become a humanities activist? Don't you, at times, verbally applaud Holocaust atrocities?

So no. It's not fair. Cause fortunately I'm not Euro. Therefore I'm not associated your likes. We are both human but our histories and starkly different, my friend. Or enemy.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
lol, since when have you, YOU, become a humanities activist? Don't you, at times, verbally applaud Holocaust atrocities?

So no. It's not fair. Cause fortunately I'm not Euro. Therefore I'm not associated your likes. We are both human but our histories and starkly different, my friend. Or enemy.

No, certainly not.

And you are sure you have no European blood in you? Also, yes the history of out families might be vastly different. But no one as far as I am aware off ever owned a slave or lived anywhere but Germany. I don't think, even if you assume guilt by association is sound, that it applies to me.

And you are associated in ways with slaveowners as well, why is my association more important than yours. I mean, you actually live on the land they lived. Your guilt by association is much higher that mine, in my opinion.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Well it's a shithole thanks to White colonization, of course. Like cancer, once Whites stepped foot on it, it was ruined.

Neg, Africa has ALWAYS been a shithole 😬

What were the little primitive African tribes doing while the rest of the world was modernizing? In-fighting. What are the little African tribes doing now, while the rest of the world is modernizing? The same thing they've been doing for the last thousand years.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Neg, Africa has ALWAYS been a shithole 😬

What were the little primitive African tribes doing while the rest of the world was modernizing? In-fighting. What are the little African tribes doing now, while the rest of the world is modernizing? The same thing they've been doing for the last thousand years.

Learn some history.

If you would read something everything outside of a classroom you would know that is false.

Stupid, stupid ignorant views like that are prevalent among damn near everyone in the world which is a result of the history being told by the conqueror.

You say "in-fighting" but I would bet bookoos of money you couldn't tell me "why" they were fighting. It did not happen without outside interference.

😘 Ignorance. Just don't speak on shit you do not know.

It's just that Negroes are naturally aggressive people.

Originally posted by chithappens
Learn some history.

If you would read something everything outside of a classroom you would know that is false.

Stupid, stupid ignorant views like that are prevalent among damn near everyone in the world which is a result of the history being told by the conqueror.

You say "in-fighting" but I would bet bookoos of money you couldn't tell me "why" they were fighting. It did not happen without outside interference.

😘 Ignorance. Just don't speak on shit you do not know.

Ignorance indeed. Don't accuse others others without knowing the full story. I was actually counting on FotN bringing that up.
"z0mG teh Whitey's influenced them and gave them guns!!1111oneoneeleven!!!"

Please. While it is true that European nations did provide heavy influence and weaponry that doesn't mean that Africa's many leaders weren't JUST as guilty. It's not like the many tribes were just sitting around in peaceful harmony an then suddenly the big bad white man came out of nowhere and started some ****. The many African nations were already fighting by the time European colonists came, the Euros's just took advantage of that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And you are sure you have no European blood in you? Also, yes the history of out families might be vastly different. But no one as far as I am aware off ever owned a slave or lived anywhere but Germany. I don't think, even if you assume guilt by association is sound, that it applies to me.

And you are associated in ways with slave owners as well, why is my association more important than yours. I mean, you actually live on the land they lived. Your guilt by association is much higher that mine, in my opinion.

I am absolutely positive that I have no Euro blood in me. We, ancestors included, in no way, have European features of any kind. We are all Black. I am 100% the descendant of African Slaves. We have documents like photos, journals and even a family tree that dates back almost a century and a half, we have documents, personal written and verbal accounts from my grandparents. Whom are all still alive and well. We have my maternal grandmothers mother or great-grandmother's (r.i.p. 1896-1982) diary when she wrote about daily life with her parents and grandparents, which were from the mid 1800's. My grandmother's grand parents were Black slaves. My uncle has a picture of my G.grandmother holding me as an infant) We are all Black. We have proof that there isn't even a hint of euro blood in my linage. I'm in no way associated with slave owners. I'd most likely kill myself. And i can I be guilty of. I am not of oppressor lineage.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Neg, Africa has ALWAYS been a shithole 😬

What were the little primitive African tribes doing while the rest of the world was modernizing? infighting. What are the little African tribes doing now, while the rest of the world is modernizing? The same thing they've been doing for the last thousand years.

yea, your an idiot. So White interference didn't make it worse. White's sucked mostly all resources out of the country. Colonized it, propagandized it, if that's even a word, in order to brainwash and instigate infighting so they could manipulate everything else behind the scenes. Africa has some of the most beautiful natural landscapes on the planet. The most exotic animals come from there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's just that Negroes are naturally aggressive people.

Lmoa..

What about Whites? Look at what your W.A.S.P. or "Christian" U.S. president is doing now, for no fcukin reason? The U.S. was struck on 9/11, 2001, it'll be 2008 soon and U.S. aggression is still going on in the the mid-east.

The United States of White America has fought 9 Major Wars in 90 years. You don't see Africa going into Major World Wars especially against small and practically defenseless countries, every decade, for no reason.

Whites have more aggression.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I am absolutely positive that I have no Euro blood in me. We, ancestors included, in no way, have European features of any kind. We are all Black. I am 100% the descendant of African Slaves. We have documents like photos, journals and even a family tree that dates back almost a century and a half, we have documents, personal written and verbal accounts from my grandparents. Whom are all still alive and well. We have my maternal grandmothers mother or great-grandmother's (r.i.p. 1896-1982) diary when she wrote about daily life with her parents and grandparents, which were from the mid 1800's. My grandmother's grand parents were Black slaves. My uncle has a picture of my G.grandmother holding me as an infant) We are all Black. We have proof that there isn't even a hint of euro blood in my linage. I'm in no way associated with slave owners. I'd most likely kill myself. And i can I be guilty of. I am not of oppressor lineage.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Lmoa..

What about Whites? Look at what your W.A.S.P. or "Christian" U.S. president is doing now, for no fcukin reason? The U.S. was struck on 9/11, 2001, it'll be 2008 soon and U.S. aggression is still going on in the the mid-east.

The United States of White America has fought 9 Major Wars in 90 years. You don't see Africa going into Major World Wars especially against small and practically defenseless countries, every decade, for no reason.

Whites have more aggression.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I don't want anything from Whites really. You think an apology would suddenly erase what's happened uncle tommy-boy? But we all know that Whites would love for Blacks to forget slavery ever happened.

They say "Like, it passed, get over it, dude..Just like, act like it never happened, or something." While expecting Blacks to say "Uh, Ok.."

lol, yea right. Never!

Whites will "never forget 9/11" and would raise hell if someone told them otherwise but they want all Blacks to completely forget Slavery. See where the issue is with Whites?

And whites won't forget it, and neither will the other races, as long as the future American generations can trace their lineage to the time when 9/11 happened.

The Jews won't forget the Holocaust, blacks won't forget slavery, and whites won't forget that they let themselves become a numerical minority. We all remember the bad things, it's human nature. If you want nothing from the whites, then why do you keep arguing? Why keep bringing this up. It'd be silly to think WE would forget. We've guilt tripped ourselves over the decades, we are aware of the wrong-doings of the past. And for the sake of mentioning it, if you say something along the lines of "whites don't care," "or whites are still immoral," "or what would whites care as long they get rich," you'll only be making a hypocrite of yourself.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Ignorance indeed. Don't accuse others others without knowing the full story. I was actually counting on FotN bringing that up.
"z0mG teh Whitey's influenced them and gave them guns!!1111oneoneeleven!!!"

Please. While it is true that European nations did provide heavy influence and weaponry that doesn't mean that Africa's many leaders weren't JUST as guilty. It's not like the many tribes were just sitting around in peaceful harmony an then suddenly the big bad white man came out of nowhere and started some ****. The many African nations were already fighting by the time European colonists came, the Euros's just took advantage of that.

From another topic:

Originally posted by chithappens
I don't really agree with you there. It is not that "everything was lost" kinda thing.

The particular book I will quote has a black man who sat in the back of a classroom in Oxford University, an African history class. Here's an excerpt:

*He is talking about how a African history class is divided up.

"First period is from the fall of the Roman Empire to 700 (A.D), the Arab invasions; the second period of African history is the period of the "Islamic" civilization, 700(A.D.) to the coming of the Europeans in 1500.... There is no period of black civilization in Black Africa. Such is the Caucasian viewpoint that is almost a religion. Their very first period eliminates 4,000 years of Black Civilization and the very greatest periods of African achievements; their second period is devoted to the Arabs and Berbers in Africa; and in their thrid period the focus is on European civilization. And it is all done under the heading of African history."

"The Destruction of Black Civilization" by Chancellor Williams; published 1987

Funny enough, at my school (I'm a junior in college) my African history class syllabus was divided the same way. I just dropped the class. It looked like bullshit.