Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you think the goddess's tp wasnt that great? What supports this theory?
the fact that she lost. you know why? because she had 30 cc's and wasn't able to control everyone. She even had to slowly draw upon the universes mental energy to pull off her feat. And then she was tricked. It never even happened.
Originally posted by fangirl101She was using the CCU's and Moondragon's Mind Gem to brainwash them. Nobody was really distracting Goddess when Surfer broke the control. He pretty much reasserted himself and his code not to kill when they ordered him to I think. And then he realized that he was being made a thrall of and rebelled. That's when even a Mind Gem Moondragon couldn't subdue him with a telepathic attack. But I do agree that a Mind Gem Moondragon isn't extremely impressive. By all rights, with an Infinity Gem, she ought to be at the top. But I read plenty of Infinity Watch issues to notice that she had limitations. And some of them seemed kinda lame.
I seem to remember aquaman being able to pwn an angel with TP. And he also fought despero with J'ONN in a tp battle. Moondragon with the Mind gem has never been impressive to me. She gets resisted and pwned far too much for anyone to use her as a feat. As for the containment units, I do not think Goddess used the units to control the heroes. Maybe I'm wrong. She was busy trying to brain wash the universe. She couldn't even defend herself on multiple fronts. She had to concentrate. Which may be why surfer broke free of her control.
Originally posted by Ambient
From SS respect thread courtesy of Darths...http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4488/silversurferannual0214mn4.jpg
He transmutated Ghaur from protoplasmic cloud into a deviant.. The scans prior to this page is when it happened unfortunately i dont have it so this would have to do...
I find it highly unlikely that Despero would own Surfer via tp.. His encountered/fought cosmic beings with vast telepathic powers and always managed to counter those abilities..
Originally posted by fangirl101You do understand that villains usually lose at the end of the story. So no matter how much you stack the deck in your favor you will lose somehow someway at the end.
the fact that she lost. you know why? because she had 30 cc's and wasn't able to control everyone. She even had to slowly draw upon the universes mental energy to pull off her feat. And then she was tricked. It never even happened.
So is this all you have to support she isnt that great of a tp user?
Is Prof X a good top user in your opinion?
Originally posted by fangirl101
Despero used his TK against EASG. I'm not scanning anything. His respect thread already has them. He also used it to knock back SG. I'll look up more. But I know those off top of my head. Oh and the Goddesses Tp wasn't that great. She surely didn't get ahold of everyone. Just those with spiritual or faith based beliefs.
And the Goddess's telepathic control spanned the entire universe, what TP showings does Despero have that are comparable?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't make the claim if you're not willing/able to back it up, it's not my job to prove your case for you.And the Goddess's telepathic control spanned the entire universe, what TP showings does Despero have that are comparable?
Originally posted by fangirl101
The Goddess didn't have exact telepathic control. She had a form of it that allowed her control those with faith based feelings.
Originally posted by fangirl101
MM has pwned Starro, who has shownt he ability to control beings across the cosmos at the same time.
Originally posted by fangirl101
MM over Rode the telepathic power of the worlogog.
Originally posted by fangirl101
He broke thru mageddon's psy field. the same one that destroyed the 3rd world.
Originally posted by fangirl101
And Despero is J'onnz tp superior. Now back up. 🙂
Originally posted by darthgoober
Really because according to Reed Richards it was telepathic(last panel)...
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3308/crusades0226lf5.jpgIssue number or scan so I can check out the exact circumstances? And the Goddess's control extended farther...
Issue number or scan so I can check out the exact circumstances?
Issue number or scan so I can check out the exact circumstances?
He may very well be(though probably not by much since J'ohnn was able to affect Despero with tp as well), but that doesn't make him the Goddess's superior.
The goddess was assualted by the likes of a comatose professor x, thanos, and warlock if I'm not mistaken. she isn't as uber as you would like her to be. especially since aurora could break the hold just by reverting back to her normal psyched self. for instances of the worlogog's power, check out extants thread. luthor used the worlogog to control gem in jla rock of ages. mm broke the hold.
Originally posted by fangirl101
The goddess was assualted by the likes of a comatose professor x, thanos, and warlock if I'm not mistaken. she isn't as uber as you would like her to be. especially since aurora could break the hold just by reverting back to her normal psyched self. for instances of the worlogog's power, check out extants thread. luthor used the worlogog to control gem in jla rock of ages. mm broke the hold.
Alright so I need to check out Rock of Ages for the Warlogog instance but what issue's do the rest happen in so I can check them out too? I'm not saying that you're wrong about them, but there used to be this guy nvr that was always lying and misconstruing things when he got backed into a corner so now I like to check things out for myself whenever possible.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You really think that losing after an extended battle with Thanos w/Soul Gem, Adam Warlock, and Professor X is a bad showing... 😂Alright so I need to check out Rock of Ages for the Warlogog instance but what issue's do the rest happen in so I can check them out too? I'm not saying that you're wrong about them, but there used to be this guy nvr that was always lying and misconstruing things when he got backed into a corner so now I like to check things out for myself whenever possible.
What does nvr and your perception of lying have to do with anything? check the MM thread. his tp has gotten the better of universal and even multiversal artifacts and beings. And yet, he's a ***** to despero. Surfer has no business resisting Despero's Tp.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What does nvr and your perception of lying have to do with anything? check the MM thread. his tp has gotten the better of universal and even multiversal artifacts and beings. And yet, he's a ***** to despero. Surfer has no business resisting Despero's Tp.
Originally posted by darthgooberExactly.
You really think that losing after an extended battle with Thanos w/Soul Gem, Adam Warlock, and Professor X is a bad showing... 😂Alright so I need to check out Rock of Ages for the Warlogog instance but what issue's do the rest happen in so I can check them out too? I'm not saying that you're wrong about them, but there used to be this guy nvr that was always lying and misconstruing things when he got backed into a corner so now I like to check things out for myself whenever possible.
Saying goddess'tp was anything other than amazing and falsely claiming its nothing special is ignorant. But if there is a legimiate reason as to why a poster believes this Im all ears.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I was just explaining why I want actual instances and issue numbers, I didn't sat that nvr had anything to do with this thread. So what are these issue numbers so I can check them out for myself?
check the MM respecty thread. It's where I got the actual instances of what happened. Listed under Tp feats. Then I looked at the despero thread to check his pwning of J"onn.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly.Saying goddess'tp was anything other than amazing and falsely claiming its nothing special is ignorant. But if there is a legimiate reason as to why a poster believes this Im all ears.
Why didnt' she just controll all of the heroes? Or why didn't she just usurp the universes thoughts since she had so many ccs? How come aurora could break the hold just by reverting from personality to personality?
Originally posted by fangirl101
check the MM respecty thread. It's where I got the actual instances of what happened. Listed under Tp feats. Then I looked at the despero thread to check his pwning of J"onn.
So again, issue numbers?
Originally posted by fangirl101When did Despero take on the dcu and control a shit ton of heroes?
Why didnt' she just controll all of the heroes? Or why didn't she just usurp the universes thoughts since she had so many ccs? How come aurora could break the hold just by reverting from personality to personality?
Again you are just saying she lost which all villains do at the end but those who defeated her proved she is head and shoulders above anything despero has done.
Again name a feat comparable that Despero has accomplished.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Respect threads suck for gauging a character. See nvr was always pointing people to respect threads because they omit details and misconstrue facts about specific feats as well as ignoring a characters "average" portrayal in favor of a characters high end feats. Hell if you just looked at Surfer's respect thread without ever actually checking out one of his comics he'd easily qualify as transcendent level.So again, issue numbers?
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Despero take on the dcu and control a shit ton of heroes?Again you are just saying she lost which all villains do at the end but those who defeated her proved she is head and shoulders above anything despero has done.
Again name a feat comparable that Despero has accomplished.
When did you know what I'm talking about? When did you think about the fact that the Goddess only had limited control that was split amongs many beings and task? If Surfer broke her hold and she was only attacking him, I might be inclined to think it was an uber feat.
Originally posted by fangirl101You keep saying what she did wasnt that impressive when despero has done nothing even remotely close to this feat is my point.
When did you know what I'm talking about? When did you think about the fact that the Goddess only had limited control that was split amongs many beings and task? If Surfer broke her hold and she was only attacking him, I might be inclined to think it was an uber feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep saying what she did wasnt that impressive when despero has done nothing even remotely close to this feat is my point.
Worlogog controlled Jem. MM broke that hold.
Worlogog created realties with a fraction of it's might.
Despero>>>>>>MM.
