Originally posted by bigbran
Ronin... the same guy who fought Thor, and Surfer, pawned the hell out of Ravenous... Ronin would KILL Gorgon with a hit to the head.
but we're not talking about ronin hitting gorgon in the head... you asked me if he was tougher.. honeslty I think gorgon does have advantages and strengths that ronin lacks... why you had to turn that into "well if ronin hit him in the head" is beyond me.
Originally posted by jinzinSo, you were either talking about USA Agent KOing Ronin (wait did he do this?), or Ronin KOing Gorgon.
but we're not talking about ronin hitting gorgon in the head... you asked me if he was tougher.. honeslty I think gorgon does have advantages and strengths that ronin lacks... why you had to turn that into "well if ronin hit him in the head" is beyond me.
But, Ronin is by far more durible than Gorgon, to say the least.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Her healing factor is right on par with Wolverine's(by his own admission), and she got up right after he did after taking a shot to the head from US Agent. So which is harder to heal form, a cheapshot to the head with a blunt object from US Agent, or a cheapshot from Wolverine's claws to the stomach?
you think she can heal from being incinerated then? behead? burnt to a skeleton?
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also... wolverine didn't JUST take a hit to the back of the head.. he took loads of punishment earlier from wonderman, even a little bit from wild child earlier in the day... so don't just pretend that a head shot was all logan took...
Originally posted by darthgoober
She's still got super strength of her own, and superior skills to him.
superstrength's useless to someone who doesn't feel it, and skills are debateable.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Maxam was supposed to be a pretty skilled fighter, and she was able to hang with him just fine.
so if maxim was a human in stats you think he could take it to cap? 🤨
Originally posted by darthgoober
Not unless you want to say that Wolverine would go down after making one mistake, since their healing factors are comparable.
again.. you think she's about to recover from what i stated above?
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
First, let's get this out of the way- it's Gamora. Not Gamera. 😉Secondly, Gamora healed from that wound from Wolverine. And she was distracted and he took a cheap shot. And that was Gamora before her upgrade.
first part- okay.. sorry.
second- i don't care if she healed.. that's not the point.. the point was that one stab took her down... even if it was a cheap shot it was one stab to the gut... (well 3 i guess if you wanna get technical)... if she's effected that much then that's all gorgon would need to make an opening an unleash an arsenal of pain upon her.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I didn't say anything about it causing pain, and I said the hf MIGHT work against you. Regardless, hf or no, your body still works against you. It doesn't utilize pain- it utilizes your body's ability to recognize blood pressure levels and compensate. And his body HAS to be able to do that, judging by the fact that if it couldn't, his hf would be fairly useless. Makes sense, no?
I didn't say you did but you're talking about how things are registered upon the body... nothing registered on gorgon... nothin..., what i was doing was reclarifying myself.
no it's illogical to say his body has to be able to do that, he's undead.. he has an hf, but he's also induced with mysticism, you can't place any further logic upon his powers. 😬
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
She's mastered 83% of the forms of MA in the universe... I doubt her fighting is anything but 'flawless'
shang chi fought multiple gaurdians who knew eevery martial art on earth, he beat them all without effort...
it's all contingent on how good you are, and if your opponent is better well...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphsuper strength only works against people who can feel it, or whom it will effect.. her speed is better? how so? logan stalemated her in combat.. couldn't do that to gorgon even with prep and help.... and skill again? just because she knows more styles doesn't make her better strictly speaking..
And, with her huge strength, speed and skill categories, Gorgon really only has to make one mistake as well... and which do you think will come first?
Originally posted by jinzin
you think she can heal from being incinerated then? behead? burnt to a skeleton?🤨
also... wolverine didn't JUST take a hit to the back of the head.. he took loads of punishment earlier from wonderman, even a little bit from wild child earlier in the day... so don't just pretend that a head shot was all logan took...
Originally posted by jinzin
superstrength's useless to someone who doesn't feel it, and skills are debateable.
And as for their skill being debatable, the last time I checked the Gorgon didn't know armed and unarmed techniques 83.4% of known space faring cultures, Gamora does.
Originally posted by jinzin
so if maxim was a human in stats you think he could take it to cap? 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
again.. you think she's about to recover from what i stated above?
Originally posted by jinzin
and his HF regenerates him...stop acting like regeneration doesn't take place after such...
so was that a consession then?
Regardless of coming back to life, Wolverine still dies in between. Which is enough for a win on these forums... don't try and downplay Gamora's HF just because Wolverine is too much of a cash cow for Marvel for him to suffer through a legitimate death 😬
Originally posted by darthgoober
BS. Just because someone doesn't realize that they're injured, doesn't negate the injury. People on PCP or enough cocain have taken things like gunshot's without registering it, that doesn't mean that they didn't die afterwards.And as for their skill being debatable, the last time I checked the Gorgon didn't know armed and unarmed techniques 83.4% of known space faring cultures, Gamora does.
I'm not actually sure how skilled he is(though I know it's not in Cap's league), but I I know that he DOES have skill. I was just pointing out that her all of her good showings weren't against unskilled bricks like Drax.
No, and I know for a fact that Wolverine wouldn't recover from them without dieing first.
I didn't ask what she can survive. i asked what you think she can heal..
wolverine may die but he HEALS back from it anyway.. even when burnt to crisp he HEALS back to normal...
considering that you think he can't survive then I'll take that as a conssession.. her HF isn't on wolverine's level.. nuff said.
wolverine's statment was made over a decade ago, before wolverine's admantium was ripped out of his body allowing his mutation to PROGRESS, and his regneration to become more powerful... it has little value to comparison of wolverine today... gorgon took it to wolvie and pushed him to his limit not 2 years ago, which is of MUCH more merit.. so that's that.
it's not BS though, he was shot in the face with a rocket, he had things done to him that would leave any living person crippled or pulp on the floor, he's not a living person... she can't register damage on him... sorry.
again it's not quantity of skill that counts but quality.. shang chi proved this, batman's proven this, cap has proven this.... 😐
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not actually sure how skilled he is(though I know it's not in Cap's league),
exactly.. then it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Regardless of coming back to life, Wolverine still dies in between. Which is enough for a win on these forums... don't try and downplay Gamora's HF just because Wolverine is too much of a cash cow for Marvel for him to suffer through a legitimate death 😬
I'm not discarding anything..
nor am I arguing whether wolverine would die from such trauma....
it was said her HF is equal to logans...
prove it...
unless her HF can help her recover from those injuries (and logan's CAN).. then her HF ISN'T on wolverine's level.. plain and simple.
Wolverine said Gamora healed as fast as him. Daredevil said that Wolverine's sense were superior. Both of these things are untrue. 'Sides no matter what was said, one example of getting stabbed and healing isn't enough to put her healing factor on Wolverine's level... considering he has healed from far worse, considerably faster.
Originally posted by jinzin
I didn't ask what she can survive. i asked what you think she can heal..wolverine may die but he HEALS back from it anyway.. even when burnt to crisp he HEALS back to normal...
considering that you think he can't survive then I'll take that as a conssession.. her HF isn't on wolverine's level.. nuff said.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's statment was made over a decade ago, before wolverine's admantium was ripped out of his body allowing his mutation to PROGRESS, and his regneration to become more powerful... it has little value to comparison of wolverine today... gorgon took it to wolvie and pushed him to his limit not 2 years ago, which is of MUCH more merit.. so that's that.
Originally posted by jinzin
it's not BS though, he was shot in the face with a rocket, he had things done to him that would leave any living person crippled or pulp on the floor, he's not a living person... she can't register damage on him... sorry.
Originally posted by jinzin
again it's not quantity of skill that counts of quality.. shang chi proved this, batman's proven this, cap has proven this.... 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
exactly.. then it doesn't matter.
no her healign factor not. when you show her on fire with most of her body burnt away,but still able to heal and get back up them we talk. oh and wolverine was talking after it happen so he did nto die.
also when his heart below up that wa shis healing factor not the immortal thing. The immortal thing is when his body has really nothing to heal from when he is nothing, but a skeleton.
Originally posted by capt it up
no her healign factor not. when you show her on fire with most of her body burnt away,but still able to heal and get back up them we talk. oh and wolverine was talking after it happen so he did nto die.also when his heart below up that wa shis healing factor not the immortal thing. The immortal thing is when his body has really nothing to heal from when he is nothing, but a skeleton.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, so now we don't accept Wolverine's own assessments of his abilities? Hmmm........
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Nothing that happened to Gorgon even gave him pause... nothing even slowed him down. He was a beast, and for all purposes pretty much impervious to harm. Out side of dues ex-machina there is nothing that can stop him. He would kick Gamora's ass.
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The majority of Gorgon's appearances were spent killing a few hand ninjas, and a ton of generic, nameless SHIELD soldiers. Hell, he didn't actually do much impressive beyond taking out Wolverine and Elektra... and none of that would even leave Gamora with a drop of sweat. You're going to need to find something a little more impressive before you even begin to think of beating her... much less ass-kicking.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes, all that means is that his PHYSICAL healing factor is incapable of sustaining all that damage on it's own. ANY healing factor could heal someone from a skeleton, if the person didn't die first. Because the healing factor would slowly repair the damage. She may not have a spiritual healing factor like Wolverine, but their PHYSICAL healing factors are on par.But unless I'm mistaken, he still had some insane healing feats back then, so it's still comparable. Remember, I didn't say they where equal, I said hers was on par with his(meaning in the same league.
That's right. He's got super human durability and a resistance to pain so what? That doesn't mean that it's impossible to injure him, it just means that it's more difficult to injure, and he doesn't feel pain. So the PCP analogy stands.
Wait, so your saying that Wolverine's knowledge of all those different fighting techniques doesn't really matter, the fact that Cap normally shows more skill then Wolverine is an indication that Cap is a superior fighter.
Cap shows more skill than Wolverine normally, so I think he's a bad standard for the subject. I mean really, how many times has ANYONE fought someone on Cap's skill level? There's not really a lot of characters that possess enough skill to be on Cap's level, and still have the overall power to be a serious threat to Gamora. So it kinda makes sense that she doesn't have many showings like that.
again i ask you to prove her healing factor is on par with logan.. if she can't recover from a drop of blood, from a skeleton, from having her head cut off, or being incinerated then it's not on par with logans..
prove that it is... please, I'm all for you proving this beyond some comment logan made over a decade ago that doesn't even matter nowdays.. but go ahead..
again logan's healing factor allows his spirit to reclaim life, without his HF to heal so completely from practically nothing he's have nothing to come back to, other people with healing factors die, when they die so do their healing factors.. wolverine's doesn't... it endures..
no it's not comparible.. it's a FACT that wolverine's mutation progresed without his admantium.. he's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then what he used to be: not comparible..
it IS impossible to injure him though.. show one time where he was injured.. 😐
he took plenty of punishment so it shouldn't be hard.. unless... 😏
well that's what i would be saying if cap could prove he was a superior fighter.. which he hasn't.. lame counter on your behalf.. moving on.
and the one showing she DOES have against a skilled opponent on cap's level had her at a stalmate.. geeee willy! 😄