Originally posted by Nellinator
Nope, you will torture yourself.
I'm not a masochist....I would not voluntarily go to a place I do not beleive in.
If I do end up in Hell, it's because God sent me there, and if I AM tortured, it's because God was doing the torturing.
I would never go to Hell conciously and voluntarily, I have no need for such a pointless concept.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Hell would be Sheol where God sends the unsaved,
So you ADMIT God sends us to Hell.....?
Originally posted by Nellinator
where you would torment yourself and/or be very bored (this is assuming that you go there). Then the annihilation.
1) Why would I torment myself ? 🤨
2) If Hell is a place where us f@gs go, then no I won't be bored, I'll be in HEAVEN droolio
3) Annihilation ! God LOVES ME ! 😄
Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes, I always have. However, you choose it by denying Jesus as Savior.
I never conciously made a decision denying Jesus is savior...nor have I ever conciously chose your version of Hell.
I lived in my own Hell for quite a while....
I simply stopped beleiving....I am not convinced of Jesus's divinity. If I am not convinced, then how can I truly beleive ?
For me to accept Jesus as savior would be a total lie....cuz I don't sincerely beleive it. It's not out of spite...it's jsut that the Bible contradicts many things I know to be true, it also contradicts my own morality...
why should I believe something that cannot be proven ?
Convince me that the Bible is Truth and that Jesus is really the savior, and I promise you I will beleive again.
If I cannot be convinced, then I cannot beleive....
Originally posted by Nellinator
1) Perhaps you will have regrets. Perhaps you won't torment yourself at all and you'll just sit there.
I'd rather be in Hell and suffer for not worshipping someone who I beleive to be a violent hypocrit, bully, sexist, and pretty much evil...then be rewarded for kissing this person's ass..
Would you rather be imprisoned by Hitler, or made his top servant ? 😬
For the acts your God has committed: Genocide, Mass murder, etc. I do not see him to be any better than Hitler.
Why should I worship such a being ?
That being does NOT embody Love.....
Originally posted by Nellinator
2) droolio
I doubt your Hell is anywhere as bad as it's cracked up to be, I also doubt it's existance. You know that already.....
Originally posted by Nellinator
3) droolio
You couldn't seem to get yourself to provide a proper answer for my third statement, could you ? 😬
How could you justify that a loving God would torment then annihilate someone he supposedly loves ? Someone he created ?
You can't...I know...I don't blame you for a lack of answer.
Yes you have. You have repeatedly said that Jesus is a man not our Savior. If you were once a Christian you probably believed otherwise at one point. Therefore at some point you changed your mind.
What would prove to you that Jesus was your Savior? And what would convince you that the Bible is truth?
1) He wiped out the Nephilim, that's a good thing, he wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah (a bunch of evil, greedy, selfish rapists) which was for our good, not sexist in the way you see it (you have a large misperception on this matter). He is willing to forgive you of your sins, something no one else can do.
2) Nothing indicates it's nice.
3) What am I supposed to say to 'Annihilation! God Loves Me!" You are given two choices. You apparently do not want heaven so why do you get angry when you get the other? If God went against your will wouldn't that be revoking your free will which you hate?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Because they were different.People who are different are evil. (but in their case they were supposed to have been really destructive too so he might have had a good reason)
Yeah, that's what I thought. Damn different Niphilim, results of something they didn't choose.... I wonder if their parents loved them, or if God gave them a chance for salvation.
I wonder if any of them asked God "what did we do?"
God: "You banged up the joint, and you're a bit ugly. Off the mortal coil with ye!"
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Yeah, that's what I thought. Damn different Niphilim, results of something they didn't choose.... I wonder if their parents loved them, or if God gave them a chance for salvation.
These were some of the few people who God didn't even say "here read this and call me in the morning". Nephelhiem didn't get a chance for salvation as far as I know.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I wonder if any of them asked God "what did we do?"God: "You banged up the joint, and you're a bit ugly. Off the mortal coil with ye!"
😆
Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes you have. You have repeatedly said that Jesus is a man not our Savior. If you were once a Christian you probably believed otherwise at one point. Therefore at some point you changed your mind.
What would prove to you that Jesus was your Savior? And what would convince you that the Bible is truth?
I have said Jesus is not our savior, because that's what I truly beleive. I didn't choose what to beleive however.
I used to beleive in Christ simply because I was convinced of his divinity. I am no longer convinced so how am I supposed to sincerely beleive ?
If Jesus truly appeared to me, and told me he was savior, I'd beleive. If God appeared to me in a way I would understand (enough of this mysterious ways bullshit) and varify for me the Bible is truth, then I would beleive...
I guess I'll never beleive again, huh ? 😬
Originally posted by Nellinator
1) He wiped out the Nephilim, that's a good thing, he wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah (a bunch of evil, greedy, selfish rapists) which was for our good, not sexist in the way you see it (you have a large misperception on this matter). He is willing to forgive you of your sins, something no one else can do.
Me: "God what do you want of me?"
God: "Do everything I say, beleive in me 100%, accept Christ as savior, stop being a homo, and destroy everything else you beleived, because I am truth"
Me: "What will happen If I do not ?"
God: " I will send you to a terrible place called Hell where you will burn for a limitted time, then I will delete you from existance. Because I love you..."
Me: "Well...as long as you prove your existance to me, I can beleive"
God:[i] "Heh..yeah right....WAKE UP"
Me: (wakes up)
Originally posted by Nellinator
2) Nothing indicates it's nice.
Hell, like Heaven, like Earth, is manifest from your God, according to your religion.
So, everything that is born of God, represents him. Hell, which is a part of God, because he created it, and because he permits it into existance, shows a side of him I do not desire or respect.
Originally posted by Nellinator
3) What am I supposed to say to 'Annihilation! God Loves Me!" You are given two choices. You apparently do not want heaven so why do you get angry when you get the other? If God went against your will wouldn't that be revoking your free will which you hate?
I do want Heaven..my own Heaven. I don't want your idea of Heaven, you simplify it so absurdly... 😬
I never said I wanted Hell...nice try 👇
Life, and existance, is not as black and white as your religion tries to portray it.
You can't give me a sincere answer, so instead you stoop so low as to accuse me of wanting to go to Hell, and rejecting happiness.... 👇
Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... Nephilim were part demon and extremely evil. Their purpose seems to have been to wipe out the bloodlines capable of producing the seed (ie. Jesus). Wiping them out was a good thing.
Don't you mean part angel? Which, if I am not mistaken is one of the original interpretations of the whole business, except that there was a lot of hooha when people did the whole interpretation. Certain people didn't like the idea of angels and women using their free will to be together and we got demons, angels meant to be doing something and doing something else, fallen angels and men possessed by demons, men and women of certain bloodlines, demons pretending to be paganistic gods (thus Hercules would have been Nephilim had not the Nephilim been terminated) and other, stranger things. Vague stories with numerous different interpretations.
And wiping out the bloodlines capable of producing the seed... obviously not God. Since really he was the source of Jesus.
And is this another one of those "they were extremely evil because extremely evil is what they were..." like the people of the flood and all that? Were they capable of human things? I mean they had part human origins, and possibly part divine origins, did they get a chance? Did they get a choice? Did they have emotions? Or were they simply evil because they were half-breeds? What does "extremely evil" really mean? Because really what I am getting is the termination of sentient beings on species wide scale for simply being an inconvenience. Because lets face it, inconvenience is really all it was - if God could exterminate them then by rights he should have been able to do something else. But yes.... wiping out the seed bloodline, definitely evil (how did they know who was of the seed bloodline? Was every single Niphilim hunting them? Did they have some reason for this, or was it just they decided "I don't like them"😉. Version like the whole "oppress humanity and make them suffer" - sure, that doesn't sound nice, but then again sounds quite similar to plenty of human tyrants over the years. And versions about how God turned some into demons with the purpose of trying to mess up weak, easily led people - well, that really makes the whole business sound better.
Why did it take so long for God to act? If he knows as much as some claim surely he'd know the angels/whatever were going native. And I mean - for long enough to build up a sizable population of Niphilim. All sounds shakey, and a bit cruel:
God: "Hmmm. No, I don't think there is a quite enough Niphilim brutilising humanity with there uncontrolable urges born from the unholy union of angels and women, that I kind of let happen. Better wait for a few more so when I exterminate them it will look more impressive."
The Bible says of the Nephilim that 'every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' which is what I meant by extremely evil. Now the Nephilim would hate the seed of Eve (ie, through the bloodline of Seth). So the Nephilim would have been against the bloodline of Seth and tried to defeat them because preceeding the flood God said "[He] (ie. Jesus) shall bruise thy head". Therefore by corrupting and/or destroying the bloodline of Seth they tried to prevent this. God wiped these Nephilim out with the flood. Then God later says to Abraham that from Isaac will the seed come. Later God gives Moses the promised land of Canaan from whence the seed was to come. However, the Philistines who were the second incursion of Nephilim inhabited the land ahead of them. The Philistines were the descendants of the mysterious Sea Peoples (who are historical) that raided the Middle East, but were stopped by Egypt (sparing the Israelites who were living there at the time). This is why God commanded Joshua to and the Israelites to destroy them to the last person. Later when the seed was prophecied to come from David Jezebel nearly successfully wiped out the bloodline (one Joash survived) in the third attempt by Satan to stop the coming of the Messiah. I believe that Herod was the fourth and final attempt.
Originally posted by Nellinator
The Bible says of the Nephilim that 'every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually' which is what I meant by extremely evil. Now the Nephilim would hate the seed of Eve (ie, through the bloodline of Seth). So the Nephilim would have been against the bloodline of Seth and tried to defeat them because preceeding the flood God said "[He] (ie. Jesus) shall bruise thy head". Therefore by corrupting and/or destroying the bloodline of Seth they tried to prevent this. God wiped these Nephilim out with the flood. Then God later says to Abraham that from Isaac will the seed come. Later God gives Moses the promised land of Canaan from whence the seed was to come. However, the Philistines who were the second incursion of Nephilim inhabited the land ahead of them. The Philistines were the descendants of the mysterious Sea Peoples (who are historical) that raided the Middle East, but were stopped by Egypt (sparing the Israelites who were living there at the time). This is why God commanded Joshua to and the Israelites to destroy them to the last person. Later when the seed was prophecied to come from David Jezebel nearly successfully wiped out the bloodline (one Joash survived) in the third attempt by Satan to stop the coming of the Messiah. I believe that Herod was the fourth and final attempt.
This seems mildly insane you know. (I have nothing against it, it's just wierd.)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I have said Jesus is not our savior, because that's what I [b]truly beleive. I didn't choose what to beleive however.
And you believe this because you've chosen to believe it. Unless you're insinuating that someone stuck a gun to your head, forcing you not to believe in Christ.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I used to beleive in Christ simply because I was convinced of his divinity. I am no longer convinced so how am I supposed to sincerely beleive ?
By having faith, loving others, and trying to do what's right as described by the bible. Or simply put, by loving God and loving others. This is not the type of love one demonstrates by doing stuff for the sake of strictly pleasing themselves.
It is a love that is comprised of truth, and it involves putting others before oneself. If you embrace this type of love in all that you do, then you'll have no problem finding Christ, and he'll have no problem finding you(hey that last part rhymed, I'm so cool!)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hell, like Heaven, like Earth, is manifest from your God, according to your religion.So, everything that is born of God, represents him. Hell, which is a part of God, because he created it, and because he permits it into existance, shows a side of him I do not desire or respect.
You can't give me a sincere answer, so instead you stoop so low as to accuse me of wanting to go to Hell, and rejecting happiness.... 👇
Wrong thread for this stuff. Click below if you want to discuss further.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/438204_10-hmm-if-youre-tortured-permanently-in-hell#post8251371
Originally posted by Thundar
And you believe this because you've chosen to believe it. Unless you're insinuating that someone stuck a gun to your head, forcing you not to believe in Christ.
PLEASE tell me you are NOT this slow... 😬
I did not choose to disbeleive in Christ...I chose to stop pretending that I beleive.
My loss of beleif was due to the fact that the Church is and always has been filled with Hypocrisy, the fact that the Bible contradicts itself, the fact that the Bible contradicts other Truths, the fact that so many people who claim to know God are so annoyingly judgemental and bigotted, the fact that the God of the Bible condones violence, and the fact that God has not proven his existance to me.
I did NOT CHOOSE:
1) For the Church to be hypocritical and corrupt
2) For the Bible to contradict itself
3) For the Bible to contradict other Truths
4) For so many Christians to be bigotted
5) For the Bible condoning violence and discrimination
6) for God's lack of proof for his existance
7) For none of this makign any sense...
What I had a was a LOSS OF BELEIF, I did not CONCIOUSLY decide, Oh, I'm gonna just stop beleiving in Jesus, because I don't feel like it..im too lazy"
I did not buy it anymore.
I was Christian for 18 years of my life, and little by little, I was less and less convinced of the validity of the Bible, until my entire beleif died off.
I did not choose to beleive in Christ, and I cannot choose to beleive now. I AM NOT CONVINCED
AT ALL that Christ is nothing more than another man....a great man, but a man nonetheless.
For me to say that I beleive in Jesus Christ would NOT be sincere, because I simply don't beleive....I can't make myself beleive something that does not seem true to me...can you ?
Originally posted by Thundar
By having faith, loving others, and trying to do what's right as described by the bible. Or simply put, by loving God and loving others. This is not the type of love one demonstrates by doing stuff for the sake of strictly pleasing themselves.
You are preaching to the choir my freind
I do not do good things for my own pleasure. I care the world for other people, and my love for several people surpasses my love for myself. I hold an ultamate respect for life, which is why I am against killing, I am against Death Penalty, I am against Late-term Abortions, I am against violence period....
I do not have to beleive in God to love other people...please erase that mode of thinking from your mind....thanks
Originally posted by Thundar
It is a love that is comprised of truth, and it involves putting others before oneself. If you embrace this type of love in all that you do, then you'll have no problem finding Christ, and he'll have no problem finding you(hey that last part rhymed, I'm so cool!)
I do put others before myself...I've done so all my life. I have not found Christ yet though 😕