Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no connection between love, god and the verse above. You simply believe that, and nothing more.
*thats the point mr. Shaky...there is only no connection in your mind, as you can't understand everything that goes on "under the sun", and neither can I for that matter. But if one has faith in God being loving, then they know that even though they can't understand everything about him...they can still have faith in him working all things "for the good of those who love him." 😉
Originally posted by Thundar
*thats the point mr. Shaky...there is only no connection in your mind, as you can't understand everything that goes on "under the sun", and neither can I for that matter. But if one has faith in God being loving, then they know that even though they can't understand everything about him...they can still have faith in him working all things "for the good of those who love him." 😉
That is true, and if you did not go to the point of condemning others, I would be more convinced of your faith. When someone passes judgment on others, they believe they have all the information to do so. However, for anyone to pass judgment on someone on a forum, would be foolish, because we really don't know enough about each other. Also, if you think this is a judgment on you, I must tell you that it is not my intention. I am simply applying my beliefs to what I have read. Please remember that you are only doing the same.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Then why? Why does god do evil to his children. Is it something he does on weekends cause of boredom, and weekends are generally 2 thousand years long??
Or how about this. God is Love. Love encompasses everything, Thus encompassing everything, it has reign over everything, including evil. This reign over everything, gives love or God, the ability to righteously condemn evil. Therefore God being fully loving, allows the existence of evil knowing that it will only justify and strengthen the existence and reign of love. And if God did not allow the opposite of himself to exist, then there would be no justification for him being loving, and well quite frankly he himself wouldn't be loving. Or as the apostle Paul whom you like so much graciously puts it:
Romans 5:20-21
"Moreover, the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound, that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ, our Lord"
So although sin may have increased with evil's existence, love increased even more so. Or think about it this way. If evil existed outside of God, then God would have no control of it, and we'd all be at the mercy of evil. This would include God or Love himself. By acknowledging himself as encompassing and having complete control and domnion over evil, God once again justifies himself to be fully loving God, capable of offering eternal life to all of his creations through our lord Christ Jesus.
Man that was a headache trying to figure that one out. Now I know why Solomon said the best thing to do was eat, drink and be merry, some things are a bit hard for these little minds of ours to digest...😉
Originally posted by Thundar
Or how about this. God is Love. Love encompasses everything, Thus encompassing everything, it has reign over everything, including evil. This reign over everything, gives love or God, the ability to righteously condemn evil. Therefore God being fully loving, allows the existence of evil knowing that it will only justify and strengthen the existence and reign of love. And if God did not allow the opposite of himself to exist, then there would be no justification for him being loving, and well quite frankly he himself wouldn't be loving. Or as the apostle Paul whom you like so much graciously puts it:Romans 5:20-21
"Moreover, the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound, that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ, our Lord"So although sin may have increased with evil's existence, love increased even more so. Or think about it this way. If evil existed outside of God, then God would have no control of it, and we'd all be at the mercy of evil. This would include God or Love himself. By acknowledging himself as encompassing and having complete control and domnion over evil, God once again justifies himself to be fully loving God, capable of offering eternal life to all of his creations through our lord Christ Jesus.
Man that was a headache trying to figure that one out. Now I know why Solomon said the best thing to do was eat, drink and be merry, some things are a bit hard for these little minds of ours to digest...😉
You have very strange beliefs. So, without evil, god could not love anyone?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is true, and if you did not go to the point of condemning others, I would be more convinced of your faith. When someone passes judgment on others, they believe they have all the information to do so. However, for anyone to pass judgment on someone on a forum, would be foolish, because we really don't know enough about each other. Also, if you think this is a judgment on you, I must tell you that it is not my intention. I am simply applying my beliefs to what I have read. Please remember that you are only doing the same.
I don't think I condemned you. I Just expressed my view on things. And I stand by my position, as neither of us could understand everything that goes on under the sun. And even if we did, we couldn't really comprehend it all. To be quite honest, I wouldn't want to in this limited lifetime, because I think in doing so it would cause great misery, which is what Solomon himself had begun to experience with the great knowledge and wisdom God had given him.
So in the words of Jack Nicholson, even if for the tiniest of seconds we entertained the ability that we were able to obtain all of the truth, neither of us could really "handle the truth" in its entirety during this lifetime.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
without evil, god could not love anyone?
Without allowing evil to exist, God would not be loving. And if he allowed evil to exist completely outside of him, he would not be loving either..as he would have no control over nor could he reign over evil.
*so to put it in simpler terms mr. Shaky..God is love..😉
Originally posted by Thundar
Without allowing evil to exist, God would not be loving. And if he allowed evil to exist completely outside of him, he would not be loving either..as he would have no control over nor could he reign over evil.*so to put it in simpler terms mr. Shaky..God is love..😉
So, once Satan has been cast into the lake of fire, and the judgment has been done, the ages of ages will begin. During this time there will be no evil, and therefore god will no longer be love?
If god is dependant on evil in order to love, then god is limited.
Originally posted by debbiejo
God won't be able to love once his nemesis is in hell because there will be no one knowing what love is, since there is no opposite.
God will still be demonstrating love with hell and even with the lake of fire, as a loving God would not let evil go unpunished, nor would he let it remain present for all eternity. Doing either of these things would mean that he was essentially torturing his creations, particularly those who love him.
Originally posted by Thundar
God will still be demonstrating love with hell and even with the lake of fire
😆 (yes I know it's quoted out of context)
Originally posted by Thundar
A loving God would not let evil go unpunished, nor would he let it remain present for all eternity. Doing either of these things would mean that he was essentially torturing his creations, particularly those who love him.
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Originally posted by Thundar
God will still be demonstrating love with hell and even with the lake of fire, as a loving God would not let evil go unpunished, nor would he let it remain present for all eternity. Doing either of these things would mean that he was essentially torturing his creations, particularly those who love him.
That seems to be a contradiction.