Originally posted by Nellinator
Using the verse debbiejo referenced, His presence would indeed be there, in is not exactly the best word for it (saw where you were going with that one). Worshipping an idol would indeed be the offense, though God commanded the destruction of idols numerous times which ultimately prevents the offense from occurring.
So, there is not such thing as an evil "thing"?
Originally posted by Nellinator
Likely, was Buddha was a Hindu/Indian prince before he left was he not?
I'm not sure. But India did not exist in his life time. Buddha was from a land that is now in Nepal.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, there is not such thing as an evil "thing"?
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonTrue enough, but I was generally referring to that area which has been known as India for a long time. Named after the Indus River in Pakistan if I remember right.
I'm not sure. But India did not exist in his life time. Buddha was from a land that is now in Nepal.
Originally posted by ThundarIt is obvious by scripture that God does not even entertain evil thoughts, thereby not performing any evil actions. Now its not as complicated as you are making it and perhaps a rephrasing of my previous statement is needed... Because God has absolute knowledge of good and evil He obviously knows what it is by definition of what He is not. Now as you said:
That's an interesting interpretation Nellinator. I've always thought that evil in itself existed outside of God, rather than God himself possessing it.Or let me put it this way. God has defined himself within the bible to be loving by nature. Being such, he is not capable of acting any way but loving in all of his actions, thoughts, or knowledge..since he defines himself as not being contradictary, and states that he "revels in truth."
But think about this for a moment. If God is indeed loving, then of course..he will then have to allow his creations the ability to decide whether or not they want to love him. This then means from the onset of creation, God will have to instill all of his creations with this thing called "free will", which is demonstrative of this loving character which he possesses.
He does this of course with the knowledge that at some point free will; a loving gift of choosing to be with God, will allow some of his children the choice of not wanting to be with him. Thus God only has knowledge of his children not choosing him, but that does not mean in anyway that God himself is responsable for his children making this choice. And logically it couldn't, or he wouldn't really be giving them free will.
So from the beginning all of this makes God always completely loving by nature, never possessing an evil thought or commiting an evil action. He will only be responsable for granting free will to his creation, not instilling them with evil. Any act of free will that is used to choose the alternative of what he represents, will then be the responsability of his creation and definitionally be defined as the alternative to what he himself is.
But let's put a more human outlook on it. Say I have a child and train them in the ways I've defined to be loving. At some point if that child decides to leave from my house, any choices he makes against what I've taught or instilled in him regarding what love is, are entirely coming from him and not myself.
This is a bit off topic and deep I know. Just a little food for thought.
He does this of course with the knowledge that at some point free will; a loving gift of choosing to be with God, will allow some of His children the choice of not wanting to be with Him.which falls more in line with my previous statement of
Evil existed after God's first creationthough perhaps it should actually be 'the first rational being created by God' as God give choice to everyone. Thereby God created a way by which evil could exist in opposition to His being, while not Himself having any evil within Him.
BUT "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. " For his good pleasure. wink1 Coming from a god who created talking snakes and donkeys, a man taking two of every living species to survive a flood in a wooden boat, and a god who hates pillows, shrimp, mixed fabrics, and fig trees for some reason.
And if god created it then it must of come from within him. Part of god contains evil.
Even Job saw god in all things especially evil..Since god did evil and Job said.........OK. bangin
God!! Put that hammer down!!
I thought about going into a long winded rant explaining everything, but then I figured..I might as well just post a couple of verses.
Originally posted by debbiejoe
BUT "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. " For his good pleasure.
Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
John 16:12
I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think that any time you say anything about God, you are wrong. 😉
Ecclesiastes 8:16-17
When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe the labor that is done on earth—people getting no sleep day or night— then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. People toil to search it out, but no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it.
Originally posted by Thundar
...Ecclesiastes 8:16-17
When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe the labor that is done on earth—people getting no sleep day or night— then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. People toil to search it out, but no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it.
What? 😆
This verse basically says that you do not understand any more then I do.