Originally posted by darthsith19Um do you know the word "As strong as the emperor"?
No, he wasn't - nowhere in that entire article are the words "raw power" stated. You're just making excuses because you don't want to believe it, and neitehr do I, but, unfortunately, what Lucas says goes. If from then on he wasn't as strong as Sidious then before then he must have been as strong, otherwise it'd have said something like "Because of that, he was never as strong as the Emperor." that'd be talking about raw power.Again even if lucas said was true, does anakin have greater control of the force than other jedis, does anakin have better mastery, no he doesnt so saying one is strong as another because of one quote is obviously 1) illogical 2) stupid, sidious experience triumphs over anakins his skills > anakin his mastery > anakin therefore the only thing to point out is the power within anakin which so many novels are fond of pointing out, do you understand?
Originally posted by darthsith19Read endgame
I don't seem to recall him ever taking 8 Jedi at once in RODV. And he wasn't in a weak state, he had just killed 2 Jedi Knights easily.
Originally posted by darthsith19One thing i dont trust lucas, why? He said obi wan could nt fight in ANH because he is an old man, and dooku is also an old man and yet we see him flip in the PT and can do saber dances. Id rather pick the movie as the highest form of canon
Sorry, you're wrong, what Lucas says goes, he's the highest form on canon. He stayed weaker for 19 years because he lsot half his body.
Originally posted by darthsith19As if vader doesnt know himself better
Obi-Wan knew Anakin's moves nearly as well as he knew his own. And how the f*ck was Yoda supposed to know how strong Sidious was until after he fought him, anyway? Honestly, I think Lucas's words > Yoda's speculation.
remember the quote in the novel "Your skills have surpassed any sith lord before you" about anakin? It wasnt referring to his power, it was referring to his saber skills
EDIT
Again even if lucas said was true, does anakin have greater control of the force than other jedis, does anakin have better mastery, no he doesnt so saying one is strong as another because of one quote is obviously 1) illogical 2) stupid, sidious experience triumphs over anakins his skills > anakin his mastery > anakin therefore the only thing to point out is the power within anakin which so many novels are fond of pointing out, do you understand?
Forgot to add this i out it in your quote by accident
Um do you know the word "As strong as the emperor"?
If anakin was truly than strong as the emperor then he would > mace, then he would > yoda which apparantly isnt the case.
Yoda was stated to be the most powerful jedi until luke came about
Again lucas could be implying about raw power, why? because again, anakin has the highest potential in SW and that time in ROTS his potential was growing quickly, Again saying that anakin > all other jedis in the PT because of one quote by GL is stupid he wasnt saying anakin IS as powerful as the emperor, he was implying raw power beacuse he himself stated that anakin was going to be twice as powerful
So after getting injured "anakin was never once more as strong as the Emperor." how could that NOT mean that he used to be AS strong as the Emperor?
Read endgame
One thing i dont trust lucas, why? He said obi wan could nt fight in ANH because he is an old man, and dooku is also an old man and yet we see him flip in the PT and can do saber dances. Id rather pick the movie as the highest form of canon
As if vader doesnt know himself better
remember the quote in the novel "Your skills have surpassed any sith lord before you" about anakin? It wasnt referring to his power, it was referring to his saber skills
Again even if lucas said was true, does anakin have greater control of the force than other jedis, does anakin have better mastery, no he doesnt so saying one is strong as another because of one quote is obviously 1) illogical 2) stupid, sidious experience triumphs over anakins his skills > anakin his mastery > anakin therefore the only thing to point out is the power within anakin which so many novels are fond of pointing out, do you understand?
I think vader kills mndi but really, since when cyborg vader is something to be proud of? He was slow, he was beat by a padawan with 1 year from training and also not very fast, he was beat in a lightsaber duel by darth maul and only his hate gave him extra power to kill him. Personally, i think that vader had got considerably stronger in the force (as L said about 80% from sidious) but aside that, his lightsaber skill was not that impressive...
Originally posted by allfg
Yeah, I think Vader wins, but not by much; he was a pretty pathetic duelist going by the movies, Mundi might have actually been slightly better, and he's pretty strong in the force too.
Well, as we've said before, what you "think" (lol, the sheer concept of you thinking is funny) means less than nothing. Vader pwns Mundi.
Originally posted by darthsith19Do you know the differnece between raw power and mastery of the force? apparantly you use quotes which are AMBIGIOUS, how can anakin be as strong as themost powerful sith lordin history?Then according to that Anakin's potential was equal to Sidious potential in ROTS, which we know isn't true becuase, as you stated, Anakin's potential is twice as much as Sidious's. You can try to avoid it, but the fact it Lucas stated that after getting injured Anakin was never [b]AGAIN
as strong as Sidious. Definition of again: once more; another time [/B]
Originally posted by darthsith19Does it matter? What use is raw power when you dont even have mastery over it? i can have the best fcuking weapon in the world but what use would it be if i dont know how to use it? See my point now? For the ones with logic yes....
So after getting injured "anakin was never once more as strong as the Emperor." how could that NOT mean that he used to be AS strong as the Emperor?
Originally posted by darthsith19Thanks for backing my point up. You just stated that kenobi fights slow becausehe is an oldman and there are people older than he is example dooku 🙂 who is far older and seems to fight much better even being out of practice for 13 years, what i mean is he studied under the dark lord and he never fought during the 13 years. that statement was a half-ass excuse to cover GLs ass from what he did in the OT Sorry, you fail
Except that's wrong, it goes Lucas, then the movies, then the scripts. Ask anybody here. The Kenobi thing probably means Kenobi fought slower because he was old, if it's the quote from the ANH AC that states the fight was slow because Kenobi was an old man and Vader was half a machine. Dooku may still fight fast but obviously the same wasn't true with Kenobi.
Originally posted by darthsith19So i take it if he says that a jawa in SW is teh most powderful thing everz then i guess it must mean its so true just because he is the almighty george lucas?
Why do you always just dismiss what Lucas says, even though he's the highest source of canon.No, I don't, and how is that referring to his saber skills?
Doesn't matter what it is, Lucas still says it so it goes.
lucas says this lucas says that, again there are things he said which can be argued and i mean alot of things, accept it and move on, Being stronger than an opponent while your opponent has greater mastery and greater control. Dosnt mean shit if you are naturally more powerful, what matters is weather you have the mastery and control to take down your opponent, iv seen the underdogs, small people with great fighting skills taking down people twice their size and twice as storng physically, Do you get my points now DS?
"From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor"
Darthsith's right in this case.
Anakin's potential was something like ten times that of Sidious', so if it was referring to potential; he and Sidious aren't even in the same league, and the quote would have gone, "From then on, he wasn't stronger than the Emperor," and not "as strong as the Emperor." Current fulfilled power is all that the statement can possibly be referring to.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yup Kadesh, what Lucas says goes, which is why R2-D2 is the strongest f*cking thing in the Star Wars Universe, he's a f*cking god, and Lucas says NOTHING about raw potential, just strength. Your making things up.
Are you making the claim that Anakin is as "powerful" as Sidious or Yoda by the time of RotS?
Noobaris, when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you (you're too stupid to make an opinion that I'd pay attention to). Anyways, he'd be wrong. In saber skills? Yup. In Force powers? Lmao. No. He couldn't overpower Obi-Wan in the Force (as shown in his fight on Mustafar). He was also unable to defeat Obi-Wan period - and Sidious or Yoda would wipe their asses with Obi. If Anakin were leagues and leagues beyond Obi-Wan, he'd have won.
But he's not.
Originally posted by allfg
"From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor"
Also, couldn't keep up in the other threads, huh?
Lucas did not outright state that Anakin was "as powerful" as Sidious. So, you may have had a point, until I came along and reminded you that Anakin was unable to overcome Obi-Wan in their "Force push fight", nor was he able to kill Obi-Wan at all. And, yet, Yoda and Sidious are considerably better than Obi-Wan.
You're such a Noobaris, Noobaris.