Originally posted by Mr Master
According to legend,Phoenix is the resurrection Force.
Has Phoenix ever Created a Universe On Panel to deserve such a title?
NO.
But it was stated so ... 😕
I don't get it.
Your saying that Phoenix IS the resurrection Force although Phoenix has NEVER Created a Universe On Panel, or in a Bio?
But you're saying that Jaspers did not Warp the 616 Universe even though it's Stated and Depicted On Panel?
Originally posted by Mr Master
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"I even see a Galaxy in the distance, it seems.
dontgetit
Originally posted by Galan007
So we can't believe a characters word anymore? 😂Well heck, I'll remember that in the next Phoenix thread. 🙄
Not when said character is delusional and insane by canon.
Not when what the character says is contradicted by other characters in the same story arc and by said characters feats in the same story arc.
If you actually read and took note of my posts you'd see i give reasons why his word cant be taken. Read them 😬
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to legend,Phoenix is the resurrection Force.
Has Phoenix ever Created a Universe On Panel to deserve such a title?
NO.
But it was stated so ... 😕
Phoenix has been shown being the Big Bang turned sentient. It was birthed in the Big Bang event and was depicted as those energies slowly gaining sentience.
Phoenixes role is stated by CAPTIONS and by multiple reputable sources (cosmics) multiple times in multiple titles across continuity.
Phoenix has pulled off on panel feats of a power level that make what is stated by all those reputable source quite conceivable.
Theres the difference. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormRiiiiight. 🙄
Not when said character is delusional and insane by canon..
Originally posted by GalacticStormEven though the scan you keep pumping came from the issue prior to the scan I posted?
Not when what the character says is contradicted by other characters in the same story arc and by said characters feats in the same story arc.
Whatever. 🙄
Originally posted by Galan007
Riiiiight.
The point is valid. Rolling your eyes at it doesnt change that fact. The man is by canon insane and delusional, unless his words are verified by illustration and the accounts of reputable characters then his word alone doesnt equate to conclusive evidence.
His statement is vague and as such open to interpretation so it doesnt conclusively support your opinion anyway.
Originally posted by Galan007
Even though the scan you keep pumping came from the issue prior to the scan I posted?Whatever.
Thats irrelevant when no changes to the ambient reality are shown in the scene youre relying on. My scans from the prior issue show him expanding his warp and its determined as very global.
Jaspers is standing in his warp and claims to have created everything. Its a vague statement and given the fact thats hes within his warp and the warp isnt shown or stated on panel to have expanded any further then that can be interpreted as everything within the warp.
Your argument is speculation. Im going just by what was actually done and said on panel.
On top of that Mr Masters scan of Jaspers apparently warping the entire universe was in fact Jaspers warping reality within a government building creating a universe like landscape within a room:
No starscape shown outside the building, none shown outside the room, Cap Brit steps through a door and we're shown a starscape confined to that room. Are you really going to try and present that as evidence of Jaspers warping the entire universe? 🤨
firefirefireph
You are one intransigent individual.
Captain Britain steps into that room, and all Reality is Warped OUTSIDE.
Which is why it's followed by this other scan.
😆
It's not working,
it's Not going to ever work.
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefirephYou are one intransigent individual.
Captain Britain steps into that room, and all Reality is Warped OUTSIDE.
Which is why it's followed by this other scan.
😆
It's not working,
it's Not going to ever work.
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
Nope. He created a starscape environment within a single room as i showed. Reality wasnt warped outside the building, nor anywhere within the building outside of that room. It was all contained within that room.
Not good enough im afraid. 👇 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefirephYou are one intransigent individual.
Captain Britain steps into that room, and all Reality is Warped OUTSIDE.
Which is why it's followed by this other scan.
😆
It's not working,
it's Not going to ever work.
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
Originally posted by GalacticStormIf the scan is "open to interpretation", (though I don't soo how it is), then I can call you incorrect, just as easily as you have called me incorrect.
His statement is vague and as such open to interpretation so it doesnt conclusively support your opinion anyway.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger, the Lamb............... "I made the Stars"
Confined to the U.K.?????
I think
Spoiler:doped
NOT.
Originally posted by Galan007
If the scan is "open to interpretation", then I can call you incorrect, just as easily as you have called me incorrect. doped
But when the interpretation ive taken is supported by on panel events (Jaspers warping just UK, Jaspers being held responsible for causing damage to just the uk) AND when my interpretation is the one taken up by the Official Handbook it doesnt get much clearer than that 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe Panels never say that the U.K. was all Jaspers Warped.
But when the interpretation ive taken is supported by on panel events (Jaspers warping just UK, Jaspers being held responsible for causing damage to just the uk) AND when my interpretation is the one taken up by the Official Handbook it doesnt get much clearer than that 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
I've presented my point several times now with GS, and the scans illustrating my point are all over this thread.In a nuttshell......
MJJ states that he made [b]everything
. Including the stars.This is far more then a U.K. warp, (how can anyone see it differently)? [/B]
meh, you never answered either part of my question.
could jaspers have created a warp around the UK that would/could APPEAR to have contained WITHIN the country-sized/world-sized warp, the entire universe, complete with galaxies, or is that NOT within the scope of his power?
if it IS within his power, anyone WITHIN the field of his warp (in the UK or on earth) would see whatever jaspers wanted (including a 'universe'😉, but anyone NOT within that sphere wouldn't have been affected at all, like, say, the kree. or galactus. or . . .
again, do you have proof that jaspers warp actually affected the ENTIRE 616, or proof that this was absolutlely NOT a smaller warp that made it APPEAR as though the entire universe was contained within it? sticking to his words, if the latter is true, his words would also be true -- he WOULD have created everything within his warp -- a universe, essentially. but that does not mean he 'actually' affected the entire 616, but rather only those within his warp-field.
unless of course you have definitive proof he DID affect the whole 616 . . .
Originally posted by leonidasYour delving way too deep in this whole situation.
meh, you never answered either part of my question.could jaspers have created a warp around the UK that would/could APPEAR to have contained WITHIN the country-sized/world-sized warp, the entire universe, complete with galaxies, or is that NOT within the scope of his power?
if it IS within his power, anyone WITHIN the field of his warp (in the UK or on earth) would see whatever jaspers wanted (including a 'universe'😉, but anyone NOT within that sphere wouldn't have been affected at all, like, say, the kree. or galactus. or . . .
again, do you have proof that jaspers warp actually affected the ENTIRE 616, or proof that this was absolutlely NOT a smaller warp that made it APPEAR as though the entire universe was contained within it? sticking to his words, if the latter is true, his words would also be true -- he WOULD have created everything within his warp -- a universe, essentially. but that does not mean he 'actually' affected the entire 616, but rather only those within his warp-field.
unless of course you have definitive proof he DID affect the whole 616 . . .
And I did answer your question.
If you don't feel I did, then look at some of my other posts.
