Originally posted by Galan007We do know that MJJ easily warped the entire 616 Universe (Eternity), and made it his own.
Where did this happen? Jaspers 616 created a reality warp on planet Earth and was allegedly more powerful than Jaspers 238 who was the one who actually warped an entire universe. But where did Jaspers 616 actually warp a universe. Have you got scans illustrating the point conclusively? Im interested thats all.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHe is lonely, but he is also GOD":
Where did this happen? Jaspers 616 created a reality warp on planet Earth and was allegedly more powerful than Jaspers 238 who was the one who actually warped an entire universe. But where did Jaspers 616 actually warp a universe. Have you got scans illustrating the point conclusively? Im interested thats all.
"And he makes friends easily":
"You can call me Mad. I made you":
"I made everything actually."
"I made the sky, the tiger, the lamb.......... I made the stars":
Originally posted by Galan007
He is lonely, but he is also [b]GOD":"And he makes friends easily":
"You can call me Mad. I made you":
"I made everything actually."
"I made the sky, the tiger, the lamb.......... I made the stars":
[/B]
Just as i thought. Have you actually read the title or are you just going by scans provided by another member who told you what these scans were showing?
Just asking because you know thats Jaspers 238 right? 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStormWrong.
It was Jaspers 238 that created the Alice in Wonderland themed "Crazy Gang and it was only Jaspers 238 that warped his entire universe.Jaspers 616 warped the planet.
At this point in the story, 238 Jaspers had long since been killed.
That is 616 Jaspers friend.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong.At this point in the story, 238 Jaspers had long since been killed.
That is 616 Jaspers friend.
What issue is that from? I'll investigate for myself and come back to you.
You do realise however that the handbooks state that 616 Jaspers only warped Earth 616 before he was confronted with the Fury. So if those scans are indeed 616 Jaspers, aside from his word that he created everything, there is no proof that that actually was the case and officially its discounted.
So could you please let me know what issue that came from just so that i can check for myself that that is indeed Jaspers 616?
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhat handbooks say doesn't matter to me in this case. On-Panel, 616 Jaspers clearly warped the 616 Universe.
What issue is that from? I'll investigate for myself and come back to you.You do realise however that the handbooks state that 616 Jaspers only warped Earth 616 before he was confronted with the Fury. So if those scans are indeed 616 Jaspers, aside from his word that he created everything, there is no proof that that actually was the case and officially its discounted.
So could you please let me know What issue that came from just so that i can check for myself that that is indeed Jaspers 616?
You go right ahead and investigate for yourself.
Jaspers in the 238 Universe is destroyed in "X-Men Archives: Feat. Captain Britain #4"
And those scans I posted of 616 MJJ are from "X-Men Archives: Feat. Captain Britain #7", just before he fights Fury in the same comic.
And if you want to additionally make sure that the scans I posted are 616 Jaspers, this can also be found in "X-Men Archives: Feat. Captain Britain #6".
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Its cool. Ive just realized i had the relevant issues (Mighty World Of Marvel) anyway. Jaspers is actually depicted warping the reality of the U.K and presumably the planet (as presumed by the handbook alone) and that is all:
Him claiming to have created the stars and claiming to have created everything is not proof that he actually did those things when
a) Its not depicted on panel
b) The story he performed most of his warping in was called Arnarchy in the UK
c) He was mad and talked bull.
His word alone without on panel depiction or at least verification from reputable sources such as captions just isnt good enough in light of those points. Plus officially its stated that he warped only the country and presumably the planet.
In his reality warp he very well could have created everything, he really could have created stars in his reality warp as nothing has to make sense in a warped reality, scale and physics need not apply, look at this for example:
However unless you can find evidence that states 616 Jaspers warped the entire 616 universe as opposed to just planet Earth as he was SHOWN to do then those scans with Jaspers saying he created everything and he made the stars arent proof that he warped the universe, because he could have done does things within the global scale warp he was shown and stated to have created.
Originally posted by GalacticStormRight, and him saying he made everything including the stars, means nothing huh? 😆 he made the stars but his reality warp was just contained to Earth? 🙄
However unless you can find evidence that states 616 Jaspers warped the entire 616 universe as opposed to just planet Earth as he was SHOWN to do then those scans with Jaspers saying he created everything and he made the stars arent proof that he warped the universe, because he could have done does things within the global scale warp he was shown and stated to have created.
I knew you would try and find a way to weasel out of it, but that's no big deal.
Everyone who has watched you debate knows that you try to downplay almost every characters power (with the exception of the Phoenix) 🙄
This is no different.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its cool. Ive just realized i had the relevant issues (Mighty World Of Marvel) anyway. Jaspers is actually depicted warping the reality of the U.K and presumably the planet (as presumed by the handbook alone) and that is all:However unless you can find evidence that states 616 Jaspers warped the entire 616 universe as opposed to just planet Earth as he was SHOWN to do then those scans with Jaspers saying he created everything and he made the stars arent proof that he warped the universe, because he could have done does things within the global scale warp he was shown and stated to have created.
You forgot this one ol' chum' ....
Jaspers wasn't lying,
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
And who said the Bio diagrees?
"BOTH Jaspers could EFFORTLESSLY WARP REALITY on a DIMENSION-WIDE SCALE"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel 2006 Jaspers Bio)
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, and him saying he made [b]everything including the stars, means nothing huh? 😆 he made the stars but his reality warp was just contained to Earth? 🙄I knew you would try and find a way to weasel out of it, but that's no big deal.
Everyone who has watched you debate knows that you try to downplay almost every characters power (with the exception of the Phoenix) 🙄
This is no different. [/B]
Nope. Youre trying to demean my character because im merely disagreeing with you.
The point of the matter is that Jaspers' word alone is not evidence if it is not depicted on panel or verified by a reputable source.
What was actually depicted on panel and what Jaspers was actually stated to do was warp reality of the U.K. That is the on panel evidence.
It is stated that Jaspers created a reality warp that engulfed the U.K and its presumed the planet. With that in mind, Jaspers could very well have claimed to have created everything and that would be true. Within his reality warp he could have made the stars. Dont try and clown me for saying that because as i have demonstrated with on panel evidence that is entirely conceivable as reality warping doesnt have to make real world sense. Physics dont apply.
You are speculating that Jaspers warped the entire universe, based on an ambiguous sentence and with no on panel depiction to back up YOUR OPINION.
I have on panel depiction of Jaspers warping and doing stuff just to the U.K and i have an official source saying thats all he did.
Come up with evidence or concede the point.
Do not insult or attempt to demean my character for portraying a different interpretation to you, especially when mine is officially backed. 😬
Originally posted by Mr Master
You forgot this one ol' chum' ....Jaspers wasn't lying,
Making a star lit landscape is NOT proof that Jaspers warped the entire 616 universe. The man warps reality and within his reality warp he could shape any landscape or environment he could imagine.
Show me sources stating he actually warped the entire 616 dimension or forget it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And who said the Bio diagrees?"BOTH Jaspers could EFFORTLESSLY WARP REALITY on a DIMENSION-WIDE SCALE"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel 2006 Jaspers Bio)
Noones doubting Jaspers power, thats all that entry refers to. What im doubting is the fact that Jaspers 616 warped the entire 616 universe when he wasnt shown to or stated to on panel. That entry doesnt help you on that point. It tells you hes capable of it not that he actually did it.
So if a being can make stars, his powers are only planetary???? Please, that's digging deep.
And if your bio is Official evidence that can't be disputed, lets look at the part that says. 238 Jaspers warped his Universe, and 616 Jaspers was much more powerful.
So if 238 Jaspers was much weaker then 616 Jaspers (as your bio implies), then this means it's nothing for 616 to warp a Universe.
If you dispute this in any way, then throw out your whole bio, because you can't pick and choose what you debate.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Making a star lit landscape is NOT proof that Jaspers warped the entire 616 universe. The man warps reality and within his reality warp he could shape any landscape or environment he could imagine.Show me sources stating he actually warped the entire 616 dimension or forget it.
Whatever,
we ALL agree that Jaspers 616 WARPED the 616 Universe,
you're Not going to change that with your biased logic,
not now not ever.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Noones doubting Jaspers power, thats all that entry refers to. What im doubting is the fact that Jaspers 616 warped the entire 616 universe when he wasnt shown to or stated to on panel. That entry doesnt help you on that point. It tells you hes capable of it not that he actually did it.
Right,
Jaspers 238 was only capable of it too. 😎
Originally posted by Galan007
So if a being can make stars, his powers are only planetary???? Please, that's digging deep.And if your bio is Official evidence that can't be disputed, lets look at the part that says. 238 Jaspers warped his Universe, and 616 Jaspers was much more powerful.
So if 238 Jaspers was much weaker then 616 Jaspers (as your bio implies), then this means it's nothing for 616 to warp a Universe.
If you dispute this in any way, then throw out your whole bio, because you can't pick and choose what you debate.
Please read my entire posts Galan before replying to them.
Im not arguing that Jaspers power is just planetary. Thats what you've said i said.
Im not arguing that Jaspers couldnt warp the universe. Thats what you said i said.
Im arguing against the fact that 616 Jaspers ACTUALLY DID warp the entire universe as you claim when on panel he was shown to have just created a reality warp that swept across the U.K (with the story title being Anarchy in the uk and with Captain Britain telling Jaspers he cant cause this trouble in his country)
Nuff said'
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers wasn't lying,
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
[B]"I made the Stars"And who said the Bio diagrees?
"BOTH Jaspers could EFFORTLESSLY WARP REALITY on a DIMENSION-WIDE SCALE"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel 2006 Jaspers Bio) [/B]
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Originally posted by GalacticStormOn-Panel MJJ said he made EVERYTHING including the STARS.
when on panel he was shown to have just created a reality warp that swept across the U.K (with the story title being Anarchy in the uk and with Captain Britain telling Jaspers he cant cause this trouble in his country)
Your opinion is that this means he just warped the planet.
I'm done with this though....... it gets far too repetitive.
