Originally posted by Acrosurge
If this powered-up version of WW is as strong as many of you make her out to be, then she's a major player.Hopefully this doesn't take things too far off topic, but do you think she could take a sundipped (2 hours) Superman?
How about the famed Warrior Madness Thor?
The current Ion?
She could take WM Thor, since he doesn't get stronger, only become more willing to kill (or fight to the death).
Sundipped Superman for 2 hours I don't know, he didn't show alot being sundiped in OWAW. I think WW would take the majority though. She'll probably have to use the GW.
She loses to Ion, unless she goes GW from the start; But I still don't think it'll be enough to beat Ion.
Originally posted by dvampire
She could take WM Thor, since he doesn't get stronger, only become more willing to kill (or fight to the death).Sundipped Superman for 2 hours I don't know, he didn't show alot being sundiped in OWAW. I think WW would take the majority though. She'll probably have to use the GW.
She loses to Ion, unless she goes GW from the start; But I still don't think it'll be enough to beat Ion.
She def loses to Ion. Thor Would be cake since she would be ten times stronger than she already is.
Um, not to be a dick, but what's stopping Surfer from simply making himself either intangible or sub atomic (or both) so that Diana can't detect him, then transmuting the oxygen in her lungs and bloodstream (not Diana's mass itself, but the oxygen in her lungs and blood) into adamantium or VX poison gas? This is bloodlusted Surfer in a forum battle, meaning all plot driven or character driven hindrances (like his pacivity) are a non issue.
Diana's very powerful with her gear, no doubt, but Surfer is more versatile and doesn't have the inherrent weaknesses Diana has. Her Eagle Armor allows her to breath in space, it doesn't negate her need to breath, and her lungs do not cease to metabolize oxygen (or any other element).
And please remember, this is the forum. There's no plot twists in the fights here, it's simply abilities versus abilities.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Um, not to be a dick, but what's stopping Surfer from simply making himself either intangible or sub atomic (or both) so that Diana can't detect him, then transmuting the oxygen in her lungs and bloodstream (not Diana's mass itself, but the oxygen in her lungs and blood) into adamantium or VX poison gas? This is bloodlusted Surfer in a [b]forum battle, meaning all plot driven or character driven hindrances (like his pacivity) are a non issue.Diana's very powerful with her gear, no doubt, but Surfer is more versatile and doesn't have the inherrent weaknesses Diana has. Her Eagle Armor allows her to breath in space, it doesn't negate her need to breath, and her lungs do not cease to metabolize oxygen (or any other element).
And please remember, this is the forum. There's no plot twists in the fights here, it's simply abilities versus abilities. [/B]
I think That she is invulnerable to transmuting and that would include anything in her insides. According to forum rules, a character must still act within character as well. I've never seen the surfer do anything remotely like you are suggesting. We also know she is resistant to poison as seen when cheetah poisoned her with magical poison. It took forver to wear her down and she still didn't die.
There's an immense difference between ingesting poison and having the very gases in your body transmuted. Also, the transmutation wouldn't be effecting Diana's mass, it would only be effecting the element of oxygen within her lungs which is not a part of her being (and she does breath air per 4+ decades of canon material).
As far as acting within character, Surfer transmuting the oxygen in her lungs as a means to incapacitate her is no different than him syphoning gamma from Hulk or trapping Photon (Genis Vell) in his board. He doesn't have to kill Diana, and he could always revive her after the fact (as he more than likely would given his characterization). It's well within his abilities, and Diana has no defense against it.
Originally posted by illadelph12
There's an immense difference between ingesting poison and having the very gases in your body transmuted. Also, the transmutation wouldn't be effecting Diana's mass, it would only be effecting the element of oxygen within her lungs which is not a part of her being (and she does breath air per 4+ decades of canon material).As far as acting within character, Surfer transmuting the oxygen in her lungs as a means to incapacitate her is no different than him syphoning gamma from Hulk or trapping Photon (Genis Vell) in his board. He doesn't have to kill Diana, and he could always revive her after the fact (as he more than likely would given his characterization). It's well within his abilities, and Diana has no defense against it.
And your forgetting that Diana has other abilities that would negate her need to breathe. First off, She fought a white martian in space with no breathing aparatus what so ever. So who's to say she would even inhale the gases even in her lungs? Why not blow them out? Also She has at times been shown to get temp powers from the Gods in dire need. One bracelet cross and a prayer and she could summon the Godwave which has a plethora of powers in it's arsenal. With the Guantlet of atlas, her stamina is increased enough to control the Godwave with ease.
Ok.
So how does that help her when the un-metabolized oxygen or even metabolized oxygen already inside of her has been transmuted into solid adamantium or osmium causing an instantaneous seizure and likely coma?
Holding her breath during a fight does not absolve the fact that she does in fact breath, per canon, and will likely have oxygen in her lungs, residing in just about every orifice of her body, and in her bloodstream (she does have blood).
You can not deny that fact.
Originally posted by dvampire
It's a thread because someone actually think this would be a good fight.Oh and WW has alot on Surfer.
Speed? Nope. Surfer's hit warp speeds.
Strength? Maybe. Surfer can amp his strength to slug it out with Hulk.
Energy Projection? Nope. Surfer's opened a black hole with sheer energy.
Durability? Nope. Sufer's taken more hits and worse hits from more powerful beings and been fine.
So, what's Wonder Woman gonna do?
Let me answer that for you. Sit there and get blown into oblivion.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Speed? Nope. Surfer's hit warp speeds.WW can teleport thanks to her sandals. Surfer has to build up speed to do so.
[QUOTE]Strength? Maybe. Surfer can amp his strength to slug it out with Hulk.
WW strength normally is on par with Thor (who's stronger than Surfer and base Hulk), but with the items increasing her strength 10x more plus the ability to use the GW, Surfer wouldn't stand the slightest chance in combat with her, unless he wants to be KOed.
Energy Projection? Nope. Surfer's opened a black hole with sheer energy.
I give this Surfer. But WW have ways of getting around it.
Durability? Nope. Sufer's taken more hits and worse hits from more powerful beings and been fine.
Thanks to the aegis armor, I doubt it.
So, what's Wonder Woman gonna do?Let me answer that for you. Sit there and get blown into oblivion.
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WW wins.
to end the agrument heres some scans of doom with the POWER COSIMC
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doompy7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom5bb9.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom4ak2.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom6se9.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom2fm7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom3ms3.jpg
so u see he could do as he pleases
this surfer never had a upgrade he was depowered
Isn't a bloodlusted Surfer kind of a paradox to begin with. If you're going to say he's bloodlusted, then he can't be in character because his character is passive and guilt ridden.
If bloodlusted simply means a character using their abilities to win at all costs regardless of their characterization, I think Surfer wins because he could exploit inherrent weaknesses in Diana's physical make-up and physiology that here can't negate.
Both fight all out and smart with what they have, Surfer.
In character with Surfer having his hang ups about killing or using the full measure of his power, Wonder Woman wins (because she doesn't have such qualms).
The problem is that the thread originator stated Surfer is bloodlusted, so he has to be out of character in order to be so. There's a disparity between simply being angry and being completely out for blood and death (which Surfer hardly ever, if ever, has been portrayed to be on panel).
Originally posted by dvampire
Doesn't mean a thing until he show something.
Originally posted by lionking
to end the agrument heres some scans of doom with the POWER COSIMC
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doom4ak2.jpg
so u see he could do as he pleases
this surfer never had a upgrade he was depowered
There's also a scan of Surfer re-writing the dna of an entire race of aliens that had some type of plague floating around on this board (if I'm not mistaken, don't quote me term for term). I'll see if I can find it. Surfer can manipulate and/or transmute all matter and energy along the lines of quantum physics with his power. It's his morality and humanity that keeps his power in check.
