Islam Questions

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did she lie to us? 😱

No I'm not you smarty..many people misunderstand this false notion . to simply kill anyone who chooses to follow a religion other than Islam is against the fundamental teachings of the Qur’an. Freedom of conscience is a fundamental principle of the Qur’an that is clearly stated in many Qur'anic verses. I list just a few:

[Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So can you (Prophet) compel people to believe?] (Yunus 10: 99).

[Say, ‘Now the truth has come from your Lord: Let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so’] (Al-Kahf 17: 29).

[So (people) respond to your Lord before there comes a Day that cannot, against God’s will, be averted—you will have no refuge on that Day, and no possibility of denying (your sins). If they still turn away (remember that) We have not sent you (Prophet) to be their keeper: your duty is to deliver the message] (Ash-Shura 42: 47-48).

[There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allah is all hearing and all knowing] (Al-Baqrah 2: 256).

another question for Fatima

what do you personally think of the nation of Israel

Oh hey, this is "Islam Questions," isn't it? I have a question. What exactly is Jesus' role in Islam? I know that he is respected (a prophet?) and that he is supposed to have not been crucified, even though it was made to look as if he were. But, for example, are there any commandants attributed to him that Muslims are supposed to follow? Is any of the New Testament considered to be authoratative?

Originally posted by Gregory
For God's sake, don't I addres that in my post? Don't I explicitly state that they should have been allowed to do that? The question at hand isn't whether Turkey is tollerant (although they are compared to many other Muslim countries), but whether people were put in jail for converting away from Islam. Lilbitchiness gave those people as an example, and I pointed out that that wasn't why they were on trial.

Indeed, if I am not mistaken Turkey is classified as a secular country (one article I read a while ago said something like it was the only Muslim nation that could be defined as "secular"😉, and constitutional freedom of religion is supposedly assured.

Of course like anything laws can be abused, loopholes found and the like. Christian converts have faced trouble previously, but it is rarely, in legal terms, simply because they converted. In all the cases I just glossed through it usually appears, in recent times, that the media points out "Christian Convert jailed" in the title of an article, and then mentions the actual charge which aren't "you have broken the law by converting from Islam to Christianity". Of course they likely are being picked on for being converts away from Islam, but the actual crimes they are charged with are careful not to clash with the "secular, religiously free" Turkey.

Originally posted by Gregory
Oh hey, this is "Islam Questions," isn't it? I have a question. What exactly is Jesus' role in Islam? I know that he is respected (a prophet?) and that he is supposed to have not been crucified, even though it was made to look as if he were. But, for example, are there any commandants attributed to him that Muslims are supposed to follow? Is any of the New Testament considered to be authoratative?

jesus is a mightiest prophet of allah he was talken up to the heveans when the romans tried to kill him he will return to kill the anti christ and will unite the christians and the muslims

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats untrue Fatima. Converts are killed in accordance to sharia law. And Allah premits so, because they have known the truth, and have turned their backs on it.

I know you are allowed to implement Al Taqiyyah on us all. unfortunately that works only when people are complitely ignorant of Islam.

For those unfamiliar with Al Taqiyyah - it means that Muslim can lie to a non-Muslim for the benefit of Islam.

In Islamic tradition, Taqiyya (ÇáÊÞíÉ - 'fear, guard against'😉[1] is the dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is based on Qur'an verses 3:28 and 16:106 as well as hadith, tafsir literature, and juridical commentaries.[2] Sunnis assert that Taqiyya is an act of hypocrisy that serves to conceal the truth. According to them, Taqiyya constitutes a lack of faith and trust in God because the person who conceals his beliefs to spare himself from danger is fearful of humans, when he should be fearful of God only.

The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury." A one-word translation would be "Dissimulation."

respectfully,
I am a very open-minded person. do you think the muslim faith has evolved over time?

and also is Mecca still considered the holliest of cities?

Originally posted by Gregory
Or would be if it were true.

Your ignorance of Islam bothers me.
Do us all a favour and read the Qur'an. Then perhaps you can read some Islamic deffinitions and explanations of al-taqiyyah, and then state your opinion which only then MAY have some merrit.

Qur'an -

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers …
except by way of precaution (taqiyya), that ye may guard yourselves from them.
But Allah cautions you to remember Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Qur'an (3:28)

Bukhari.
Sahih Bukhari 5:369

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf [a poet] who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." ...

We read further -

Sahih al Bukhari, v4, p45 publishers Uthmania, Egypt that Abu al-Darda' said he heard the Prophet (s) state:
"(Verily) we smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people)."

Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali said: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible." (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, “The Reliance of the Traveller”)

Much like the sex with a 9 year old by Prophet, the issue of al-taqiyya has a different meaning within the West, and that is because westeners like yourself, like you apply Western morality to everything.

I was brought up thinking Muhammad was the best thing on earth. I actually remember writing a homework in regards to all the great things, and scientific projects, maths, algebra and other things Muhammad brought with him to the nation of Arabia.
Where did that come from? I don't know. I didn't care. I was 10.

Apperantly my teachers forgot to tell me that with invasion of Middle East, all the accumilated ancient knowledge fell into their hands - decimal numbering from india, Paper printing from China and all the numerous and over numerous things from Persia.

Do yourself a favour and pick up the Quran, Hadiths, books by Islamic scholars and historians.
Your politically correct crussaide has very little effect. Particulary because I know Islam well enough, in practice and paper, and your little examinations and guessing, show immense ignorance on the subject.

This is pointless for both of us. You're a bigot and an egomaniac* ("Someone disagrees with me? The only possibility is that he doesn't know what I know!"😉 and because of that, you can't understand why I'm disagreeing with you. You'll never understand. It's why I didn't address my post to you in the first place.

*Since you're not even pretending to be polite about this, I'm being blunter then I usually am

Originally posted by speiderman
respectfully,
I am a very open-minded person. do you think the muslim faith has evolved over time?

and also is Mecca still considered the holliest of cities?

i think there is a lot of confusion in islam now because of Al-Qaeda and suicide bombers who say they represent islam but dont because islam tells us killing an innocent person is like killing the whole of humanity and the is no compulsion in religion you cant force anyone to become muslim
makkah is considerd to muslims as the holiest place in the world

Originally posted by Alfheim
You got to love islamic countries, they inspire nothing but respect.

The country of Jordan seems to be very peaceful and moderate. I mean that is progress. I think.

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is jesus god?

ill debate you on the topic is jesus god in an open thread
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Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
(2:18)

Yes, Jesus is God. God is triune (i.e. made up of Three Persons). Thus, God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit (Three Persons, one God). God is a Spirit and spirits are not bound by the laws of physics and matter.

wow,thanks for sharing that

Wow, JIA. That was rude.

Originally posted by TRH
wow,thanks for sharing that

It was my pleasure.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It was my pleasure.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Yes, Jesus is God. God is triune (i.e. made up of Three Persons). Thus, God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit (Three Persons, one God). God is a Spirit and spirits are not bound by the laws of physics and matter.

how can god put a part of himself in hell which he has made himself when he is powerfulest preson and he can do aynthing?
how can he let people kill him people who he has made on the earth he has created?
if he cant stop himself being killed by his own creation then how is he god?

also how come the bible is changed every year by catholic church if it is gods words that it shouldet be changed?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
also how come the bible is changed every year by catholic church if it is gods words that it shouldet be changed?