I was looking or a book on amazon to link you to it, and i ended up buying bunch of video games and a book sleepy
Anyway, here's the book i was talking about. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Muhammad-Ibn-Ishaq/dp/0196360331/ref=sr_1_2/203-6905929-2271115?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175442161&sr=8-2
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yep.The first biographers of Muhammad's life are Ibn Ishaq and al-Tabari, who provide the original and ONLY valid history of Muhammad.
Ibn Ishaq's ''Sirat Rasul Allah'' was written 120 years after Muhammad's death in 750 A.D. It was translated as ''The Life of Muhammad'' by Alfred Guillaume, and is available from Oxford Press.
His original text was edited and censored by Ibn Hisham in 830.
Ibn Hisham said, ''I am omitting things which Ishaq recorded in this book. I have omitted things which are disgraceful to discuss and matters which would distress certain people.'' (Ishaq:691)
When Guillaume wrote the History, he used the original uncensored text of Ibn Ishaq, and included the censored text using Ta'rikh-e Tabari, History of Prophets adn Kings in A.H. 310, written about 300 years after the prophet's death as reference.
This is the oldest uncensored text of the life of Muhammad and Islam. His work was translated and published in 1987 - 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Tabari’s History is available from S.U.N.Y. Press.
Its a shame there are so few, modern, texts on Muhammad the Iranian government recently suppressed a group of theologians and biographers who wished to reconstruct the life of the Prophet.(To my understanding the project was halted because it upset local Clerics who felt Muhammad was above scrutiny from men.)
Originally posted by Eis
Where are you getting this from? I don't imagine Jesus did or pretended to convert water into wine, do you?
No, but they know a man called Jesus of Nazareth was at that wedding. They know the same Jesus of Nazareth was welcomed into Jerusalem with palm leaves, they know he visited a house, a man was lowered in from the roof and apparently cured by Jesus.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Its a shame there are so few, modern, texts on Muhammad the Iranian government recently suppressed a group of theologians and biographers who wished to reconstruct the life of the Prophet.(To my understanding the project was halted because it upset local Clerics who felt Muhammad was above scrutiny from men.)No, but they know a man called Jesus of Nazareth was at that wedding. They know the same Jesus of Nazareth was welcomed into Jerusalem with palm leaves, they know he visited a house, a man was lowered in from the roof and apparently cured by Jesus.
All other books about Muhammad were written by Muslims clerics themselves, imams and mullahs and sometimes Muslims themsleves (as opposed to books by Jesus, Moses, and others whos biographies are written by non-Christians/non-Jews as well), who used ommited and selected information from the Ibn Hisham, which initially turned into Hadiths later (as it is impossible to understand Qur'an without Ahadith)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
All other books about Muhammad were written by Muslims clerics themselves, imams and mullahs and sometimes Muslims themsleves (as opposed to books by Jesus, Moses, and others whos biographies are written by non-Christians/non-Jews as well), who used ommited and selected information from the Ibn Hisham, which initially turned into Hadiths later (as it is impossible to understand Qur'an without Ahadith)
It's a shame that more non-islamic people are not writing and most of all publishing accounts of Muhammad's person. The Holy See is holding vast amounts of information on the him but the chances of them releasing it are very small.
Hey Alliance do you want to respond to this post or what?
Originally posted by Alfheim
No they dont but you dont think th rules of Islam are going to have some influence on what muslims do? For example Turkey is secular but its against the lwas to convert somebody to Christanity..where did they get that idea from.Why dont we have this problem with Buddhism?
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Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey Alliance do you want to respond to this post or what?🤨
Pope Benedict disagrees with you, he feels that we do have a problem with Buddhism, much bigger than the one we have Islam, assuming there is a problem.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I was looking or a book on amazon to link you to it, and i ended up buying bunch of video games and a book sleepyAnyway, here's the book i was talking about. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Muhammad-Ibn-Ishaq/dp/0196360331/ref=sr_1_2/203-6905929-2271115?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175442161&sr=8-2
Thanks very much 😄
Originally posted by Alfheim
For real?😕
I was constructing the Pope Benedict XVIs theology on Wikipedia, and I found a quote about Buddhism, I shall get it for you.
Cardinal Ratzinger predicted that Buddhism would, over the coming century, replace Marxism as the main "enemy" of the Catholic Church. Some also criticized him for calling Buddhism an "autoerotic spirituality" that offered "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations", though that might be a mistranslation from the French auto-erotisme, which more properly translates to self-absorption, or narcissism . Also the quote did not address Buddhism as such, but rather about how Buddhism "appears" to those Europeans who are using it to obtain some type of self-satisfying spiritual experience.
Thats the passage on Buddhism I constructed.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was constructing the Pope Benedict XVIs theology on Wikipedia, and I found a quote about Buddhism, I shall get it for you.Thats the passage on Buddhism I constructed.
While Wiki is not very reliable, that is non the less retardation to the highest degree.
When has Buddhism EVER presented a problem or a threat to world peace. Pope's and his church's, hands are still dripping with blood, and he has found the time and the cheek to point a finger at group of people who have never been a threat to the world. Ever. At any point.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
While Wiki is not very reliable, that is non the less retardation to the highest degree.When has Buddhism EVER presented a problem or a threat to world peace. Pope's and his church's, hands are still dripping with blood, and he has found the time and the cheek to point a finger at group of people who have never been a threat to the world. Ever. At any point.
I can't help but feel that that was a personal attack on me? And I assure you that its reliable, I made it!
Anyway, what you are doing is misunderstanding the Pope's words, he isn't saying Buddhism is a danger to world peace. In fact, he doesn't believe Buddhism is a threat to anything. What he is saying is westerners look to Buddhism as something which provides them with spiritual meaning but also absolves them of responsibility.
To make it more simple, he is attacking people who convert to Buddhism but pick and choose what elements of the religion they follow.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Personal attack on you? I don't believe I said anything of the sort. ''wiki is unreliable'' is not a personal attack on you - unless you made the website, which again would not the a personal attack on you seeing how anyone can edit it.Words uttered by Pope are retared.
It was the "retardation to the highest degree" line, hard to read whether you were talking about the Benedict or me, anyway, it seems you've summed up your views on the Pope, so lets get off him...especially in the Islam thread. 😄