Originally posted by Fatima
Question to lil BIs it true that In Buddhism they believe that the animals will judge too a according to their deeds ...Right ??
No, thats Hindusim, and it doesnt quite work like that. (ie, they are not ''judged'' on their deeds as animals)
I have a question for you too -
Do you believe one can be a Muslim, believe in Allah, but not believe that Muhammad was his prophet?
Originally posted by Fatima
Question to lil BIs it true that In Buddhism they believe that the animals will judge too a according to their deeds ...Right ??
No...no one is judged in Buddhism. That is what separates Buddhism from Christianity and Islam.
According to Buddhism we are responsible for our own actions, and what happens to us is a result of our own doings and relations to others and environment, not a result of some old angry god.
If you surround yourself in negativity and ignorance, then that is what you will spawn, and that is all you will ever know.
If you break out and surround yourself in positivity, then that is what you will get and know.
Most, if not al, Animals are pretty much forced into the Third World known as Animality....where survival of the fittest takes place. Although the concept of the Ten Worlds applies to human beings, the best way to describe the life of an animal according to Buddhism is through the existance of Anamility.
In the world of Animality, it is survival of the fittest. People and creatures alike excel through the defeats and suffering of others. The strong are dominant, while the weak die out. Nature can be harsh and random. Animals are forced into this way of life, but it does not have to be that way. As human beings who possess intelligence and extensive imagination we can help ourselves, AND our animal inhabitants live better or at least more peaceful lives. IT's already happening as domesticated animals do become healthier and live longer than wild animals.
Animals, like human beings, do NOT get punished....NO ONE gets "punished". It's simply cause and effect. If you live a life of violence, violence will result. If you live a life of peace, peace will result. No one is in charge of that, except yourself.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
No...no one is judged in Buddhism. That is what separates Buddhism from Christianity and Islam.According to Buddhism we are responsible for our own actions, and what happens to us is a result of our own doings and relations to others and environment, not a result of some old angry god.
If you surround yourself in negativity and ignorance, then that is what you will spawn, and that is all you will ever know.
If you break out and surround yourself in positivity, then that is what you will get and know.
Most, if not al, Animals are pretty much forced into the Third World known as Animality....where survival of the fittest takes place. Although the concept of the Ten Worlds applies to human beings, the best way to describe the life of an animal according to Buddhism is through the existance of Anamility.
In the world of Animality, it is survival of the fittest. People and creatures alike excel through the defeats and suffering of others. The strong are dominant, while the weak die out. Nature can be harsh and random. Animals are forced into this way of life, but it does not have to be that way. As human beings who possess intelligence and extensive imagination we can help ourselves, AND our animal inhabitants live better or at least more peaceful lives. IT's already happening as domesticated animals do become healthier and live longer than wild animals.
Animals, like human beings, do NOT get punished....[b]NO ONE
gets "punished". It's simply cause and effect. If you live a life of violence, violence will result. If you live a life of peace, peace will result. No one is in charge of that, except yourself. [/B]
I remember the Dalai Lama said that in Barbara Walters reports about heaven ...but thanks for the info
Buddhism as a religion it dismisses poverty and the suffering of poverty, but not as an applied philosophy ..I guess
Originally posted by Fatima
I remember the Dalai Lama said that in Barbara Walters reports about heaven ...but thanks for the infoBuddhism as a religion it dismisses poverty and the suffering of poverty, but not as an applied philosophy ..I guess
How does Buddhism dismiss poverty ? 😬
In fact, Buddhism blames poverty as the reason for all crime..... where are you gettn ur info from ?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliAnimals, like human beings, do NOT get punished....[b]NO ONE
gets "punished". It's simply cause and effect. If you live a life of violence, violence will result. If you live a life of peace, peace will result. No one is in charge of that, except yourself. [/B]
Well thats true to an extent. The Dalai lama did get kicked out of Tibet.
Alliance are you going to respond to this or what?
Originally posted by Alfheim
No they dont but you dont think th rules of Islam are going to have some influence on what muslims do? For example Turkey is secular but its against the lwas to convert somebody to Christanity..where did they get that idea from.Why dont we have this problem with Buddhism?
You just get the impression that he doesnt listen anybody. Just has hsis opinions and talks down to everybody else.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Most, if not al, Animals are pretty much forced into the Third World known as Animality....where survival of the fittest takes place. Although the concept of the Ten Worlds applies to human beings, the best way to describe the life of an animal according to Buddhism is through the existance of Anamility.In the world of Animality, it is survival of the fittest. People and creatures alike excel through the defeats and suffering of others. The strong are dominant, while the weak die out. Nature can be harsh and random. Animals are forced into this way of life, but it does not have to be that way. As human beings who possess intelligence and extensive imagination we can help ourselves, AND our animal inhabitants live better or at least more peaceful lives. IT's already happening as domesticated animals do become healthier and live longer than wild animals.
Animals, like human beings, do NOT get punished....[b]NO ONE
gets "punished". It's simply cause and effect. If you live a life of violence, violence will result. If you live a life of peace, peace will result. No one is in charge of that, except yourself. [/B]
Sorry, I've been avoiding the complete stupididty of this thread.
Unfortunately for Urizens arguement. Animality is not the only, if not dominant feature of animals. Do you know who much community structure are in animal groups? In herds? ant colonies? ape families? Apparently you need a refresher on animal behaviorism. THe clice "survival of the fittest" applies just as much to animals as it does to humans. We've seen communal traits selected for in more species than humans.
Domesticated animals are fat and lazy. You'd be pretty happy to if you sat an a couch all day and ate potato chips, watching TV and napping. However, thats not HEALTHY. And animals do get punished. You loose, you die, you get cut, bleed, starve. Thats the best kind of punishment on earth. Natural.
This whole peace propogates peace argument seems based on nothing. Domestics animals lead peaceful lives? Thats because conflict is artificially removed. Why to animals always try to escape from their cage? Its nautral to want more, to want the wild, because thats where real knowledge and skills are gained.
Buddhism involves the ignorance of the human self. It DENIES conflict, violence, physical punishment. However, ignoring does not equal removing. Conflit will existe eternally becuase it is natural. Nature creates sitautions we cannot control. You cannot control your environment. Living a life of peace will not stop your brother from committing suicide or garuntess a good harvest this year, or prevent your neighbor from stealing your bicycle.
Pretending humans don't exist partly in the third world is ignorance of thyself. And you're not going to get enlightnement unless you truly understand yourself. That includes all the aspects, not just superimposed perceptions.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You just get the impression that he doesnt listen anybody. Just has hsis opinions and talks down to everybody else.
Thats all you do. Have your head stuck up Dhimmi Watch too much lately?
How do I respond? Its a random law and it will be repealed. How do you deny that religion won't influence people? I don't. However, people are capable of seperating theier religions and political lives.
Turkey has had a long tradition of secualr government and the repression of the Islamicist minority. A conflict only intensified by international bigots who simply hate Islam.
Every nation has stupid laws. The law in discussion is mainly a law of subversion, similar to the Patriot Act, where insulting "Turkishness" is a crime.
Article 301 states the following.
1.A person who publicly denigrates Turkishness, the Republic or the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and three years.2. A person who publicly denigrates the Government of the Republic of Turkey, the judicial institutions of the State, the military or security organizations shall be punishable by imprisonment of between six months and two years.
3. In cases where denigration of Turkishness is committed by a Turkish citizen in another country the punishment shall be increased by one third.
4. Expressions of thought intended to criticize shall not constitute a crime.
So, I don't see anyting in there referencing Christianity. Its clarly simply a case of over-prosecution based on very broad abstract definition s of "anti-Turkishness" which is the problem of an individual prosecutor, not a nation.
The law is a problem, and I have confidence that it will be fixed, but the "anti-Chirstianity" charge is arbitrary and not directly perscribed under the law, it'll probably simply be dropped.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You would be a Jew. Isn't the Koran meant to be the word of God passed to Muhammad. So of you remove Muhammad you would have to go back to Abraham and the "Jewish" God.
Muslims claim that they do not worship Muhammad but Allah, unlike Christians who worship Jesus and God (or something along those lines). THEY would, minus Jesus equal Jews, as Jews and Christians both use bible.
Muslims then would not.
If Muhammad is what makes Islam, then without him it does not exist. SO it would be wrong to claim that Islam is a religion of Allah - its a religion of Muhammad, then.
Furthermore, Muslims believe that Bible and Torah have both been corrupted.
If Muhammad is the one that restored the true word of God, then of couse you can't have Islam without Muhammed. Allah is still Allah, but Muhammad founded the religion as a prophet.
Islam would be the religion of Muhammad in the same way that Judaism is the religion of Abraham...not in the smae way that Christianity is the religion OF Christ.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Muslims claim that they do not worship Muhammad but Allah, unlike Christians who worship Jesus and God (or something along those lines). THEY would, minus Jesus equal Jews, as Jews and Christians both use bible.Muslims then would not.
If Muhammad is what makes Islam, then without him it does not exist. SO it would be wrong to claim that Islam is a religion of Allah - its a religion of Muhammad, then.
Furthermore, Muslims believe that Bible and Torah have both been corrupted.
Originally posted by Alliance
If Muhammad is the one that restored the true word of God, then of couse you can't have Islam without Muhammed. Allah is still Allah, but Muhammad founded the religion as a prophet.Islam would be the religion of Muhammad in the same way that Judaism is the religion of Abraham...not in the smae way that Christianity is the religion OF Christ.