What's So Bad About Hudlin? Really?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You need a merely adequate understanding of imagery, metaphor and simile that any public school kind would have, its not like we are talking about lyrical complexity that rivals William Blake. Its basic stuff.

That depends. For example if you say "I stay on your mind like a hat." Thats a pile of ****, its boring, it doesnt provoke aany emotion. If I say " I stay on your mind like a brain tumour.", that much better. A brain tumour is literially on your mind because it grows on your brain and brain tumour kills!

The reason why the brain tumour one is better is because brain tumours are associated with death and suffering and is able to convey to you how much thinking about him is causing you grief. The hat is a pile of **** because its just something you put on you head.

Furthermore the rapper GZA created a whole big verse which was one massive word play in which he mentions loads of record labels.

Common Sense did a whole track which was about hip hop but he did it in the form of an allegorical story.

Rapping is like anything, if you want to do any old crap then its basic. If you want to be any good you have to give it deep thought.

Rapping isnt talking What you want to say is restricted by the beat, you may have to alter your verse in order to make your lyrics fit the beat. Ironically the better you are the more you sound like you're talking.

Freestyling. Dont sit there and tell me that coming up with witty rhymes off the top of your head and making it fit to a beat is easy. No you cant come up with any old crap.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

There are lots of innocent people in jail too... but the vast majority of them are guilty.

There are always exceptions to the rules. Mall rap, Christian rap and in a lot of cases Alt. rap (Jurassic 5 and stuff like that) steer away from the drugs/money/guns/violence "themes"... but that doesn't change the fact that the high majority of rappers fallow those blue prints.

1. You need to take into account that thats now how it started. There are loads of old school rappers that gave a positive message.

2. I dont even know if its the vast majority. There are loads of rappers that dont portray the negative stereotype. Thats why you have things like "the underground scene" which is usually different from the mainstream but people like you think hip hop is just about shooting people. Focusing on the negative aspects is not making a balanced argument. Look at the whole picture.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

True enough... but how many producers rap? Not every producer is Timbaland. 😎

Is that the point?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

If I may quote myself...

You'll notice how I mention the Roots. 😉

Yeah I noticed but I didnt alter my post. You do know the roots play musical instruments?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

You'd be surprised, being able to scream without tearing the vocalcords to shreds is very difficult and you need tons of talent to transition form death growls to high pitch screaming and effortlessly back into the normal vocal range. Who here thinks they can scream for a couple of hours straight with out losing their voice?

Can you freestyle for a couple of hours?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I listen all sorts of music. Some of my friends (and my brother) listen to rap, so that means it is forced upon me in large doses when we hang out. Hell, some of the people I know fancy themselves rappers! It's not like I'm talking out of my ass here, I know what I'm talking about.

No you dont. You are making sweeping generalisations.

Then theres this.

"You know you say there is very little racism. Wasnt there an incident were members of the American Army were practicing shooting and they said "Imagine you're in the Bronx." no expression."

Response please.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I guess you've never taken English Lit. huh? 🙁

AABB rhyme scheme is basic dude.

What about internal rhymes. What about speed rapping? When you rap you have to keep it to a beat as well, reciting something off a paper is easier.

He is horrible. Period. He turned BP into an all powerful character and BP never was like this.

Originally posted by DARKLORDCAEDUS
He is horrible. Period. He turned BP into an all powerful character and BP never was like this.

And to that I ask why not?

He's got more resources and money than Tony.

He's got the physical attributes of Cap (thanx to the heart shaped herb)

And Super senses that may put him on par with Wolverine.

So, realistically he's something like Iron Man+Cap+Wolverine

A better question would be: Why hasn't he ever been written as an A-lister until now?

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
So, realistically he's something like Iron Man+Cap+Wolverine

Yes that would indeed make him almighty.

Of course he lacks the mechanical suit, unbreakable shield, unbreakable claws and healing factor . . . 😛

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
A better question would be: Why hasn't he ever been written as an A-lister until now?

Can't tell ya. Some of the reason probably comes from the character being relatively obscure compared to most A-Listers.

When a writer thinks "OK who's going to come in and save the day?" they'll look for characters that they know well or feel comfortable writing. So outside of his own series BP won't get many apperances let alone many good ones.

Hey srankmissingnin,

I gotta rhyme fer ya. See if you can see where He's commin from.

Complications are everywhere I see.
At times,
I think that fiction is closer than reality.
The Autobots are all gone,
and Doctors help Decepticons
steer men wrong.
Companies are formin Devastator.
Way too strong.
Sell your body, get a deal
and your Soul to stay on.
on,on
Your shame been gone too long.
do just about anything
to hide from the "Gong".
rep the hood make the money.
Pack yo shit and get gone?
gone?
I'm about to free your mind,
and aid the Exodus of the American Negro
(they gone miss us when we gone)
but that's just how life go
the more you know
the more you find out that you don't Know
(The way I feel about it)
They can chagimio
yeah I said it
Go ahead and rewind your Radio

-Illtestimony 2nd verse "Rewind the Radio"

Plenty of "Jewels" in there.

Can you "feel" him?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes that would indeed make him almighty.

Of course he lacks the mechanical suit, unbreakable shield, unbreakable claws and healing factor . . . 😛

Every thing except the healing factor and unbreakable claws could be covered/replicated by his advanced tech, money, and resources.

T'challa's no slouch in the brain dept.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Can't tell ya. Some of the reason probably comes from the character being relatively obscure compared to most A-Listers.

When a writer thinks "OK who's going to come in and save the day?" they'll look for characters that they know well or feel comfortable writing. So outside of his own series BP won't get many apperances let alone many good ones.

Fair

when geoff johns was writing the avengers, he considered BP to be in league with cap, thor and iron man as the best, brightest, "top 4" avengers. he was written as such while johns was on the series, but faded back into obscurity as other writers came on. it's a shame, but each writer has their own ideas for cast and stories, and not everybody can be in the limelight all the time.

wish those stories were still being told today, but with bendis' monopoly of the avengers titles, and BP's usage in FF and his own series, i can't really get what i want.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Every thing except the healing factor and unbreakable claws could be covered/replicated by his advanced tech, money, and resources.

T'challa's no slouch in the brain dept.

True. I suppose he does have his own kind of unbreakable claws too.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Fair

😊

I'm confused, does finding rap inane now warrant being deemed a racist? 🤨

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm confused, does finding rap inane now warrant being deemed a racist? 🤨

Nope. Just hard to see why people dislike rap?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Being depowered isnt exactly fine and dandy either, is it? Especially when you used to have badass powers. 😒:

Considering out of all the other characters he could have kept on the time despite being depowered shows that he likes the character

And don't act like he was the only one depowered, considering that 90% of the mutant population was depowered

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
I'm not gonna lie. I thought he was gonna get killed off. In all fairness why not?

Because it was a stupid anti-climactic demise 😐

Besides, nearly all of the x-men in this arc are going to get killed. But since the story revolves around magic, there's a good chance they'll be back

But then again, this is coming from the same guy who thinks Hudlin is a good writer 🙄

Guys, let's keep it civil, here.

By-the-by, has anyone seen the latest issue of Black Panther yet
because I'll probably browse through it tomorrow.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
And to that I ask why not?

He's got more resources and money than Tony.

He's got the physical attributes of Cap (thanx to the heart shaped herb)

And Super senses that may put him on par with Wolverine.

So, realistically he's something like Iron Man+Cap+Wolverine

A better question would be: Why hasn't he ever been written as an A-lister until now?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Sure he's very smart and and all that. But like all humans he has flaws. He makes mistakes, he's not as smart as Reed and even Reed makes plenty of mistakes. Thats why i loved the Priest run. It had much better stories and better characters and development. In Hudlin's run he's a supreme martial artist who is untouchable. Anyone against him is either stupid or racist. He's supposed to be very good but not that good.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm confused, does finding rap inane now warrant being deemed a racist? 🤨

No, sorry find something else to b*tch about.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Considering out of all the other characters he could have kept on the time despite being depowered shows that he likes the character

And don't act like he was the only one depowered, considering that 90% of the mutant population was depowered

Dont put words into my mouth I never said the others werent. I dont have 100s of black mutants to choose from if one really good one gets depowered its a bummer.

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Hey srankmissingnin,

I gotta rhyme fer ya. See if you can see where He's commin from.

Complications are everywhere I see.
At times,
I think that fiction is closer than reality.
The Autobots are all gone,
and Doctors help Decepticons
steer men wrong.
Companies are formin Devastator.
Way too strong.
Sell your body, get a deal
and your Soul to stay on.
on,on
Your shame been gone too long.
do just about anything
to hide from the "Gong".
rep the hood make the money.
Pack yo shit and get gone?
gone?
I'm about to free your mind,
and aid the Exodus of the American Negro
(they gone miss us when we gone)
but that's just how life go
the more you know
the more you find out that you don't Know
(The way I feel about it)
They can chagimio
yeah I said it
Go ahead and rewind your Radio

-Illtestimony 2nd verse "Rewind the Radio"

Plenty of "Jewels" in there.

Can you "feel" him?

Yeah im feeling it. Hes comparing reality to fiction and comparing people in the real world to fictional characters. The verse is partially allegorical.

I can rap too.

Fat chicks are skanks
they're bulilt like tanks
cept they aren't metal and green
just filled with Pms and mean.

dur

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I can rap too.

Fat chicks are skanks
they're bulilt like tanks
cept they aren't metal and green
just filled with Pms and mean.

dur

Like my poetry u stupid moe
don't make me call you a skanky hoe
i despise writing poems and shanties
hurry up and untangle those panties

dur