Re: Would Christians crucify Christ?
Originally posted by RegretYes and yes. Did you ever see the movie "Judas Project"...It was set in our time with our modern day so called good doer Pharisees. Anyone who challenges the beliefs of large organizations suffers their reputation to say the least, and more. I believe if the Christ story was true, then really now, the man should be revered, and the establishment should join in on it since they are supposed to be one in thought with this wonderful person and his act/acts. But instead, they felt threatened, loss of power and face. It's like the story Jesus spoke of about the dirty cup...Clean on the outside, but filthy on the inside, or the one of boasting of good works by telling everyone how humble and godly one is by praying out loud so that everyone can here you.
Does anyone else see similarities between the Pharisees and mainstream Christianity? Anyone else think that if Christ came now, in a similar manner, that mainstream Christianity would have a similar opinion of Christ as his old world detractors?
A truly loving Christian would never do such a thing, they would not be so greedy and selfish as to torture and kill thier beloved, just to save themselves. A true loving Christian, heck, a true loving PERSON of any Faith, would sacrafice themselves instead of making Jesus endure that pain again.
Sounds much more intelligent. Tell me more.This is not a new belief, and well, they are really second class citizens...
Originally posted by RegretOh so you're eschatology view may be post or A- millennial in regards to judgment? This is also a "Christian Re-constructionist" view. Out of the main stream for sure and becoming more popular..Hmm thinks "Tex Marrs".
A lot of the information on our beliefs on the subject is speculative, but here is what I believe given information at hand:Christ comes, he is visible to the entire world in some manner (not necessarily recognized, but visible) The war that is spoken of in Revelations continues, the two prophets that arose from the dead are explained away by those that do not wish to believe it. Mormons believe that a Zion, the New Jerusalem (odd name given Jerusalem means New Salem), will be on the American continent. This New Jerusalem will be established amidst global natural disasters, wars and general unrest. Christ will reign in this city. After Christ's coming Satan is bound for one thousand years as stated in Revelations. So, for the next thousand years people will live as they will without any influence coming from Satan, thus they will completely responsible for all actions, no rationalization for having been swayed by some other entity. The resurrection occurs throughout this millennium, thus all men will live through some portion of this thousand year period. Life will go on as normal, with those not in the New Jerusalem avoiding the place due to the strict behavioral rules, thus they will call it a great and terrible place. Life goes on, at the end of the thousand years, Satan is unleashed and Armageddon occurs, following which life goes on again only now people are separated into the style of life that they have chosen, thus some will be limited in their ability to do various things, while others will have great possibility, due to the choices they have made.
So then, god will reenact the eden view again by unleashing Satan on an innocent people and then what to do with them. Hell? Annihilation? What happens to freewill at this time of the Millennium?
This almost sounds like a verse quoted in Genesis "And the Earth was RE-plenished." Meaning that at sometime things were done away with and then reestablished. After the judgement all things are made new..ie a new Heavens and a new Earth..
Great thread by the way.....
Originally posted by debbiejoChrist comes, the resurrection occurs for everyone, but the first resurrected are those that lived most properly then the next and so on until everyone is resurrected. Thus partial judgement occurs based on your spiritual state at the beginning of Christ's millennial reign. After Armageddon, people have either placed themselves in a position of glory or they are placed in one dependant on their capacity for glory, so also a final judgement.
Oh so you're eschatology view may be post or A- millennial in regards to judgment? This is also a "Christian Re-constructionist" view. Out of the main stream for sure and becoming more popular..Hmm thinks "Tex Marrs".So then, god will reenact the eden view again by unleashing Satan on an innocent people and then what to do with them. Hell? Annihilation? What happens to freewill at this time of the Millennium?
This almost sounds like a verse quoted in Genesis "And the Earth was RE-plenished." Meaning that at sometime things were done away with and then reestablished. After the judgement all things are made new..ie a new Heavens and a new Earth..Great thread by the way.....
At the end of the millennium no one is innocent, their action will have been their own without covert influences. No death will occur through the millennium. The millennial reign of Christ is the end of life in the state we know it, following this everyone has passed into an immortal state, and we progress at a rate equivalent to the glory we attain.
Thx 😉
Interesting........thought when Christ died the graves were opened and all that were in the graves went up. Up to where?
Could the view of resurrection mean the mind, spirit, soul? More a metaphor? Just as like the "I am in all things, even in hell"...paraphrased of course by Job.............Everywhere............the whole being of this and ones choice to it ? Not literal mind you...Or is it?
We will be at the end of the resurrection then........the end of the judgment you mean...(White Thrown Judgment) ..........Left lane or right lane you mean. Still this means that Eden is now back in play, yes? Over again yet with a whole group?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And when He comes back it's gonna be to take everybody. He ain't stickin around to be debated about.We'll see Him, we'll leave and that will be that.
The world will continue as it does now, oblivious to Him and headed for destruction.
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If Jesus comes back, we will kill him again.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That commie bastard won't know what hit him . . .
Yep, judging by the poll Jesus better stay in heaven if he knows what's good for him. Bugger the Antichrist, it's going to be his own followers who do him in.
And commie? I always pictured him more of a hippier kind of guy. Sandals, some tie dyed robes...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Aye, you may indeed.
I don't imagine that I will suffer in Hell because I'm gay and a non-beleiver, do you ? That would make you God completely unreasonable...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And when He comes back it's gonna be to take everybody. He ain't stickin around to be debated about.We'll see Him, we'll leave and that will be that.
The world will continue as it does now, oblivious to Him and headed for destruction.
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Keep telling yourself that 😉
Originally posted by FeceMan
No, it's a collective "you."
Is it right a collective "you" be used? I still dislike the idea of sin being passed on because two naked simpletons got into the sacred fruit way back. The idea I, as part of a collective we, will kill prophets in the streets of Jerusalem is just a bit "well ok then" like.
If I am not involved then I am not involved. No umbrella terms for me.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Kinda like the court condemning a family for all generations because one person in 2000 BC killed someone. Great record keeping though.
It most certainly would be good record keeping. Although it also would depend on the sentence:
Judge: "We condemn you and descendants for all time! Which wont be long, since we have decided to execute you at dawn tomorrow. So in a way it's fortunate you decided to put off having kids till later in life. Well fortunate for us at least. Cuts down on the paper work."
Why?
Why do people devote their life to a mythical being?
He does not exist
I can not understand it one bit, it really does confuse me.
I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW SOME ONE COULD BELEIVE ALL THIS STUPID NONSENSE.
The bible is not to be taken literally. I have nothing against Christians or any other religion. People (the majority) who beleive the bible to be fact and "the word of GOD" are just insane. Only idiots, people scared of death and people with an agenda beleive the bible to be correct on every page.
DO NOT TAKE THE BIBLE literally, IT IS A BOOK OF MORALS, A BOOK ON HOW TO LIVE A GOOD AND LOVING LIFE THAT WAS WRITTEN 2000 YEARS AGO.
I ask all Christians and people of all faith to think about what they truly beleive in. There is not the single most piece of evidence to suggest any of these gods exist, ever did or ever will or any of there stories ever happened, hell half them don't even make sense and would be impossible to achieve. Please think about it, DO NOT TAKE THE BIBLE AT FACE VALUE, IT IS A BOOK OF METAPHORS AND TEACHINGS.
Why? 😐