Originally posted by allfg
Now why am I not surprised that you backed out of this?
Because you seemingly cant even read and comprehend basic words, like "entire" and "weapon" and "itself" "and even more simple words like "has" and "mass". Seriously, your asking for an explanation of something that is written is plain, straightforward English. You cant get anymore concise then what I said, so I'm not going to bother trying.
Because you seemingly cant even read and comprehend basic words, like "entire" and "weapon" and "itself" "and even more simple words like "has" and "mass".
LOL, sure thing! 👆
Seriously, your asking for an explanation of something that is written is plain, straightforward English.
Wow, someone needs to improve their reading comprehension skills...
I made it perfectly clear that I understood your post, yet you felt the need to say that I was missing your point, when I clearly wasn't, so I asked you to explain yourself. I didn't ask you to explain your actual post again, because I clearly already understood it. As I said, learn to read.
You cant get anymore concise then what I said, so I'm not going to bother trying.
OK now, let's not get carried away here, it wasn't that concise.
Originally posted by Blaxican
I'll PM it to you I guess wyhen I get it. It's at my Mom's house.
Bane is more powerful then either of them. But Anakin (ROTS) is still an exceptional match for him.
Lets compare some stats!
Bane vs Anakin ROTS:
Saber Skills: Bane < Anakin
Strength: Bane > Anakin
Force Mastery: Bane > Anakin
Potential: Bane < Anakin
Experience: Bane is more experienced then Anakin.
Over-powering Factor: Bane and Anakin are equal in this case. Bane can Over-power through his greater Force Mastery and Anakin can Over-power through his Saber skills.
Bane vs Obi-Wan ROTS:
Saber Skills: Bane < Obi-Wan
Strength: Bane > Obi-Wan
Force Mastery: Bane > Obi-Wan
Potential: Bane > Obi-Wan ???
Experience: Bane is at-least on par with Obi-Wan in this regard.
Over-powering Factor: Bane is more Over-powering in this case. Bane can Over-power through his greater Force Mastery.
In case of Bane vs Anakin ROTS + Obi-Wan ROTS:
Now when Bane will face both Anakin and Obi-Wan in a fight, then he is at clear disadvantage against the odds.
Still Bane has chance to win by over-powering these two Jedi Knights through his impressive Force mastery. But if Bane is locked in to Saber contest by these two individuals, then he will be defeated.
Anyways! this will be a very tough fight for Bane.
Just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Um anakin would over power bane in saber skills, and what part does experience play? yoda had 800 yrs and stalemated with sidious whom only had 60 years of experience
Yoda's experience is not yet fully known. His age is irrelevant factor when determining his experience.
Originally posted by Kadesh
And things dont end up in a force fight unless one of them gets disarmed
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDstill yoda who had 800 years of experience could not defeat the strongest sith lord, and dookus mastery and exp > anakin by a hell margin and yet died in a duel but yea i think ill agree with u here
Experience determines your ability to make logical, decisive or important decisions in a fight.Yoda's experience is not yet fully known. His age is irrelevant factor when determining his experience.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku proved this notion false. He over-powered Obi-Wan through his Force mastery and then incapacitated him during the fight.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Experience determines your ability to make logical, decisive or important decisions in a fight.Yoda's experience is not yet fully known. His age is irrelevant factor when determining his experience.
"For 800 years have I trained Jedi Knights."
Yea, we sure as hell don't know shit about his experience, huh? And where the hell did you get those stats? Your opinion? How the hell can you know who is physically stronger? Based on his appearance in a comic book?
Just because people know the force, doesn't mean they always use it. Usually it's 1 or 2 feats, then on with the sabers.
Experience: Bane is more experienced then Anakin.
No, Bane has been in what three real lightsaber duels in his entire life, Sirak, That other Sith Student and Kas'im. And has spent about a year and a half at BEST studying the Sith, while Anakin has been a Jedi for about 13 years, faced numerous foes like The Magna Guards, Ventress, Durge, Dooku ect...was a general in a full scale ground and space war for three years. Bane is green compared to Anakin.
Experience: Bane is at-least on par with Obi-Wan in this regard.
No, this is the same for Anakin accept add anther 10 or so years of studying the force, training under Jinn, facing Maul, and all there other trials Obi Wan has faced and again the duo have the edge in experience.
Still Bane has chance to win by over-powering these two Jedi Knights through his impressive Force mastery. But if Bane is locked in to Saber contest by these two individuals, then he will be defeated.
I really don't see how this lasts beyond about 2 minutes, he tries to use the force on one and he'll get a blade in his face, and he's not sitting around spamming force waves so really what is he gonna do?
We've seen how Bane does when he sees a new style that he hasn't memorized sets of, he shits his pants, loses his focus and runs. Now whats he gonna do to perhaps the greatest masters of Djem So and Soresu ever? Especially considering the fact that when he did memorise the sets of these forms they were from a double bladed saber and DBL Djem So and Soresu =/= Single Sabered Djem So and Soresu.
Then, we also have the fact that he almost lost to Sith Students when he was outnumbered, 3 : 2, not to mention that they were clumsy and didn't follow up on attacks (Bane was almost knocked out by a single strand of force lightning) So really whats he gonna do to OB1 and Anakin who compliment each other completely, move almost and move almost in unison to each other.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
"For 800 years have I trained Jedi Knights."Yea, we sure as hell don't know shit about his experience, huh? And where the hell did you get those stats? Your opinion? How the hell can you know who is physically stronger? Based on his appearance in a comic book?
Just because people know the force, doesn't mean they always use it. Usually it's 1 or 2 feats, then on with the sabers.
Bane is indeed physically stronger then both Anakin and Obi-Wan. He is more heavily built and taller. Especially those shells (orbalisks) on his body boost his energies.
Do not forget that I am talking about Orbalisk Bane here.
And Force fights are not just limited to one or two feats. The fight between Yoda and Sidious showed us that extensive Force fights can take place as well.
Have you forgot that how Dooku incapacitated Obi-Wan in that ship in ROTS?
Why can't Bane pull out such a move? He is more powerful then Dooku at-least.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDont forget that each orbalisks scale weighs 1kg and banes entire body is covered with them, that would slow his speed though giving him super strength, Source? Dark side sourcebook stated the orbalisks weight.
Bane is indeed physically stronger then both Anakin and Obi-Wan. He is more heavily built and taller. Especially those shells (orbalisks) on his body boost his energies.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDsidious used the force when he is unarmed, And bane has demonstrated force feats after a saber duel when he nearly got shitted, like i said if he manages to back a distance he can unleash his attacks with the force
And Force fights are not just limited to one or two feats. The fight between Yoda and Sidious showed us that extensive Force fights can take place as well.
The question is, as he ever faced a master of djem so and soresu to its highest degree? i dont think so
Bane would beat Obi-Wan in an all otut fight more often then not, but Obi is still a better swordsman, nevertheless, in single combat Obi-Wan would prolly lose.
Anakin however would tool Bane in saber combat, and his raw power is enough to bring down buildings. Although this isn't going to necessarily help in a fight, Bane has never faced someone with power on the level of Anakin, his sheer raw force power is staggering. I'd give Anakin about a 60/50 win in single combat against Bane. Banes takes a few due to his superior offensive force powers, but Anakin is just better then he is.
Together however, then this is a different story. We're talking about one amazingly powerful (and one pretty powerful) and amazingly accomplished Jedi, who are possibly the best team of all time together, especially in saber combat. Seriously, Bane has a chance of beating these two in single combat (as long a he can keep it from becoming saber battle in which case he's pwned either way) but Ani and Obi together = Bane is toast, inside and out.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
No, Bane has been in what three real lightsaber duels in his entire life, Sirak, That other Sith Student and Kas'im. And has spent about a year and a half at BEST studying the Sith, while Anakin has been a Jedi for about 13 years, faced numerous foes like The Magna Guards, Ventress, Durge, Dooku ect...was a general in a full scale ground and space war for three years. Bane is green compared to Anakin.
Also Bane got additional training from Darth Revan's holocron, which was a treasure of Sith Techniques. His knowledge base was enhanced and he used that new knowledge to turn situations in to his favour.
And Bane also has fought in some battles.
If he is not superior to Anakin in terms of experience then he is not inferior either.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
No, this is the same for Anakin accept add anther 10 or so years of studying the force, training under Jinn, facing Maul, and all there other trials Obi Wan has faced and again the duo have the edge in experience.
Kas'im was again superior to Maul, Jinn and Grevious in Saber Skills.
Obi-Wan was indeed more experienced then Anakin however.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
I really don't see how this lasts beyond about 2 minutes, he tries to use the force on one and he'll get a blade in his face, and he's not sitting around spamming force waves so really what is he gonna do?
A Force Wave can send individuals flying in the air and then direct strikes of Force Lightning can do the job well. Not to forget that Bane was also a master practitioner of Force Lightning.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
We've seen how Bane does when he sees a new style that he hasn't memorized sets of, he shits his pants, loses his focus and runs. Now whats he gonna do to perhaps the greatest masters of Djem So and Soresu ever? Especially considering the fact that when he did memorise the sets of these forms they were from a double bladed saber and DBL Djem So and Soresu =/= Single Sabered Djem So and Soresu.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Then, we also have the fact that he almost lost to Sith Students when he was outnumbered, 3 : 2, not to mention that they were clumsy and didn't follow up on attacks (Bane was almost knocked out by a single strand of force lightning) So really whats he gonna do to OB1 and Anakin who compliment each other completely, move almost and move almost in unison to each other.
Originally posted by Kadesh
sidious used the force when he is unarmed, And bane has demonstrated force feats after a saber duel when he nearly got shitted, like i said if he manages to back a distance he can unleash his attacks with the forceThe question is, as he ever faced a master of djem so and soresu to its highest degree? i dont think so
And when Bane will be in trouble then he will resort to his Force Mastery.
I won't be surprised if Bane will over-power both Anakin and Obi-Wan through Force and then turn situation in to his favour. But once again if he does not gets that chance, then he will be destroyed. I consider this as 50/50 situation for both adversaries.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYea bane uses the force before getting shitted, again bane killed kasim through a few reasons 1) bane was lucky that kasim was under the structure 2) he had a chance to back away
And your forgot to note that Kas'im was superior to Magna Guards, Ventress, Durge and Dooku in terms of Saber Skills. Although Bane did not over-powered him in Saber Combat but he survived and used Force to crush him. This shows that he could win in very tough situations as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd why do you think that dooku wacked anakin for using 2 sabers? i doubt obi 1 ever fought against some one with a DB saber before maul and when the first time he did against maul, it was rather impressive
Kas'im was a huge challenge for him indeed. And Double Bladed Saber is more dangerous then Single Bladed Saber. DB Saber has more chance to hit you from un-suspecting angles. Why do you think that Darth Maul prefered Double Bladed Saber over Single Blade Saber?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kas'im had mastered every Saber technique to its highest degree. I don't think that he was inferior to Obi-Wan and Anakin in terms of Saber Skills.And when Bane will be in trouble then he will resort to his Force Mastery.
I won't be surprised if Bane will over-power both Anakin and Obi-Wan through Force and then turn situation in to his favour. But once again if he does not gets that chance, then he will be destroyed. I consider this as 50/50 situation for both adversaries.
Dooku also knew he was in trouble and he could not resort to the force against anakin, i keep saying bane might not be able to back away to use the force with constant barraging from anakins djem so and with every strike anakin gives bane will have to parry it leaving him open to obi wan.
You just proved something, that bane fighting a swordsman who mastered his techniques to the highest degree couldnt contend with him. Ans bane is facing 2 jedi who mastered their own forms to its greatest, Bane already cant handle kasim using one mastered form, what makes you think he can even hold off 2?
Originally posted by Kadesh
And why do you think that dooku wacked anakin for using 2 sabers? i doubt obi 1 ever fought against some one with a DB saber before maul and when the first time he did against maul, it was rather impressive
And Double Bladed Saber Combat is different from Jar Kai style based Saber Combat.
Also, Obi-Wan used Anger and Hate to boots his effectiveness against Maul. Same thing that Anakin used against Dooku many years later.