Originally posted by Mr Master
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Bottom line is all this brother stuff is dumb.
Marvel screwed stuff up so bad it is beyond repair. They made contradiction after contradiction.
Everywhere (in every bio and on every relevant panel) has it said that LT is the guardian of The Multiverse and not Megaverse.
And we can take it as the brothers retconned are totally different beings, just with the same name, as the brothers of D.C vs. Marvel.
In the same bio of where you get that the brothers became two megaverses is the same bio where its says that LT helped fashion them (implying that TOAA was involved). So if it was a mistake in the bio about the helped then it is possible that the Megaverse part is also a mistake (Since on panel everywhere it clearly states that LT is the guardian of The Multiverse and not Megaverse).
Yes mistakes can be made, but certainly not (or not probable) ones that insert a helped into the sentence. That is not the type of mistake that one just accidentally do. This word shows great purpose of implication (someone else was involved). Again, one just doesn't accidentally insert the word "helped" by accident. By all common sense and reasoning I'm sure you can agree with that.
And note: the panel doesn't actually contradict this bio. It says "HIS great scheme of things". By the english language and logic, that doesn't imply "By only HIS great scheme of things". For if two (TOAA and LT) have the same great scheme of things then certainly one (LT) has HIS great scheme of things. Do you understand this logic. By the way, I think you are a great debater. You even shown me some of my flaws (errors in thinking). That is why I thought a lot about this.
I like one of the posters argument about having D.C. and Marvel with 100 points of power in each of their companies and then comparing the feats (only for omnipotent beings). There were a few flaws in it but it still made some sense. I made sense in a way because we are assuming that every multiverse (or universe) in Marvel is equivalent to every multiverse (or universe) in D.C. when it was shown on panel (not retconned though) by Marvel that Beyonder's universe is far more vast in power than any other universe (or multiverses combined-whatever). Thus proving that all universes (or multiverses) are not equilvalent in power.
I now see that it will never get anyhere debating about whose the stronger omnipotent being in different companies. For there is no true measuring stick in which to measure (unless we use the other guy's 100 point system for each company). Heck it is even hard even the guage who is more powerful in Marvel alone (even with regular earthly sentient beings).
I will most likely conclude here and vow never to argue stuff like this again (unless a fair system is used in which to guage things with).
Lastly, we also need a fair number system as well. Such as does 2, 3, or 4 positive feats count as a character possessing certain powers or skills against the many negative feats that contradicted them. I say this because I'm having a hard time arguing with some over whether or not a character has a power or skill even though that power has only been used once in their career and in the sixties (the era of awe and studipity) at that. Sometimes many will list scans that have quotes of certain characters (and not narrative quotes) as proof of feats. Should these be allowed (especially if one can show that there is a slightest doubt of credibility due to hyperbole, the character actually not having a possible way of knowing, etc.)? For example, Juggs once said on panel that Thor's strength is equilavent to his. But how does he know that? Did he punch himself in the face with all his strength to compare? Because he definitely didn't wrestle Thor (Thor couldn't even budge him when he tried in another scan).
Mr. Master you're a true master.
