Proposal Requires Straights to Have Kids or Marriages Will Be Voided

Originally posted by sithsaber408
When the burden of proof is on you.

this is basic human interaction 101

you made a positive statement, that being gay is wrong because its unnatural.
people shot down your little lie by pointing out that homosexuallity occurs in nature and thus-----> your statement is wrong. nothing more

nobody said that because its natural that means its right and good and moral. many have pointed that out and you made a decision to ignore them. thus YOU LIE.

so all you can do now is lie and put words in peoples mouths. how sad.
i dont know whether to point and laugh or just spit at you for all the time you wasted. your time...my time...their time....or time...gone. just so you can consciously lie and manipulate a discussion in order to not look flatout wrong, which you are.

You said "homosexuality is not natural."

That is wrong.

You said "it doesn't mean that you have to tell children that such pursuits are normal"

Which is insulting to homosexuals for which that pursuit is normal, also ignorant as children should rather be told that acceptance is more important than what you personally think has to be considered as "normal"

You compared homosexuality to alcoholism. Again most offensive and insulting.

Also, Quiero, what about you stop cheerleading, it is kinda embarrassing. especially seeing as SS (funny....cause true) is wrong and used a lot of dishonest methods to discredit my logical explanations...including to change the topic afterwards and outright lying. Of course that is standard behaviour for Christian bigots, but that doesn't make it right.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

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And, yes, I read the whole thing. It's stupid.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Also, Quiero, what about you stop cheerleading, it is kinda embarrassing. especially seeing as SS (funny....cause true) is wrong and used a lot of dishonest methods to discredit my logical explanations...including to change the topic afterwards and outright lying. Of course that is standard behaviour for Christian bigots, but that doesn't make it right.

I'm not cheerleading, ese.

I agree with his assertion that:

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
His argument is simply: Just because a certain action occurs in the animal world, doesnt mean it should apply to humans.

The topic at hand just happens to be homosexuality.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm not cheerleading, ese.

I agree with his assertion that:

The topic at hand just happens to be homosexuality.

That we can all agree with. But to be correct, that was his adjusted argument though.

The original was. Homosexuality is unnatural.

That's all I called out. And he still didn't accept his fault.

He's saying homosexuality is unnatural. Then using that incorrect premise to justify his assertion of it being wrong.

Then when confronted with the fact that it is in fact natural - with no implication of "right" or "wrong," simply that it is natural - he's bringing up unrelated things to say that natural things can still be "wrong" while still maintaining that the reason he's saying homosexuality is wrong is because it's unnatural.

Which basically shows that he's being disingenuous and that he'd consider it "wrong" regardless and that his current stance has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is natural or not.

Homosexuality is natural in that it occurs outside of humanity--thus, not an invention of man--and may be explained by genetic/hormonal...errors--thus, part of the body/mind.

Originally posted by PVS
this is basic human interaction 101

you made a positive statement, that being gay is wrong because its unnatural.
people shot down your little lie by pointing out that homosexuallity occurs in nature and thus-----> your statement is wrong. nothing more

nobody said that because its natural that means its right and good and moral. many have pointed that out and you made a decision to ignore them. thus YOU LIE.

so all you can do now is lie and put words in peoples mouths. how sad.
i dont know whether to point and laugh or just spit at you for all the time you wasted. your time...my time...their time....or time...gone. just so you can consciously lie and manipulate a discussion in order to not look flatout wrong, which you are.

Again, projecting.

Never did I say being gay was "wrong" because it's unnatural, only that it's unnatural for human beings.

And shouldn't be taught as such, nor advocated for.

And it's absurd to say that people have proven that wrong, have proven that it is natural for human beings because "homosexuality occurs in nature".

Very well, it does.

Along with many other behaviors that we don't teach or advocate as natural for human beings.

Nobody said that it's right and good and moral.

I agree, nobody did.

All that they said (as you do now) is that is natural for human beings, without any real logic other than to compare animal behavior to humans.

Guess, that makes me an evil bigot, one without an answer to his question:

If homosexuals cannot reproduce and use their sexual organs for purposes other than the inherent biological design...... how is homosexuality natural for human beings?

^^^(without pointing to animals, answer that question)

I never said that homosexuals were evil or bad, just not natural.

In my first post I said that they shouldn't be persecuted or punished for pursuing what they pursue, but also that there is a line between not hating them and letting them do as they want, and telling people that the lifestyle and behaviors are normal, natural, and should be promoted.

And all that I get from you people is that asking such questions, challenging such incomplete logic makes me a : bigot, prejudiced, stupid, Jesus-freak, invisible god follower, etc.....

Name-calling is a pretty lousy defense and not much help in terms of credibility to people who promote a behavior that cannot reproduce itself, doesn't use its reproductive organs for their biological functions, and bases it's validity on the behavior of lower life forms in the animal kingdom.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Also, Quiero, what about you stop cheerleading, it is kinda embarrassing. especially seeing as SS (funny....cause true) is wrong and used a lot of dishonest methods to discredit my logical explanations...including to change the topic afterwards and outright lying. Of course that is standard behaviour for Christian bigots, but that doesn't make it right.

He's a grown man.

Don't get pissed because he points out the hypocrisy of calling a person who questions your logic a bigot, when you yourself are bigoted against said person for his religion.

Orale guey Mota!

Gracias por tu compacion! Tu llevas un corazon muy bueno, carnal!

im not going to copy and paste everyone's factually correct rebuttal to your arguing of imaginary points. you've wasted enough time. if repeating the same lie over and over really does create a new truth, then you win the thread.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
QM can say whatever the hell he wants.

He's a grown man.

Don't get pissed because he points out the hypocrisy of calling a person who questions your logic a bigot, when you yourself are bigoted against said person for his religion.

Orale guey Mota!

Gracias por tu compacion! Tu llevas un corazon muy bueno, carnal!

I never denied that. I told him I'd find it a good idea to stop supporting you, seeing as you talked nonsense.

I am not against you for your religion, if at all I am against your religion because of people like you. I dislike you because you are part of the problem why homosexuals are still not treated equally and have to face prejudice...

Originally posted by PVS
im not going to copy and paste everyone's factually correct rebuttal to your arguing of imaginary points. you've wasted enough time. if repeating the same lie over and over really does create a new truth, then you win the thread.

No way. Not so fast.

Nobody pasted any factually correct rebuttals to anything, other than to show that homosexuality does occur in animals, and so in one sense is "natural."

My other points stand:

1.) Homosexuality cannot reproduce itself.

2.)Homosexuality uses sexual/reproductive organs for purposes that are not their biological functions.

3.)If there is nothing else to add, then animals participating in homosexual behavior is a poor reason or example of homosexuality being normal or natural...for human beings.

Feel free to cut and paste where those three points were somehow proven false.

Yeah, I agree someone answer if Homosexuality is reproductive or not....

*flashbacks*

Homosexuality Chosen or Genetic

Oh, Hell NO! Not again.

Nevermind.

1.) Homosexuality cannot reproduce itself.

- Homosexual animals cannot reproduce (given that they have sex with someone of the same sex....of course they can. As much as sithsaber...maybe even more)

2.)Homosexuality uses sexual/reproductive organs for purposes that are not their biological functions.

Hmm, one might claim that it is not the primary function, but it can be used to create great pleasure and that is certainly one biological function and they do use it according to that.

3.)If there is nothing else to add, then animals participating in homosexual behavior is a poor reason or example of homosexuality being normal or natural...for human beings.

Well, but we can see that it occurs naturally in other species. And we can see that it does naturally occur in human beings...whether that is wrong or right is of no matter, but it does occur. And how can it be unnatural? How can anything really be unnatural anyways?

q.e.d.

Now go away, I beg you, your stupidity hurts.

back to topic

Originally posted by LethalFemme
...Although seeing as Irene has a vagina...

continue...

Originally posted by Bardock42
How can anything really be unnatural anyways?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Marriage is unnatural. It's an artificial societal construct with no real intrinsic value of its own.

Still it is something that was thought up by natural beings.

I don't get the whole unnatural business. The idea of something being unnatural seems to me ultimately to come from our arrogance to believe that we are outside nature. Which is kinda ridiculous.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah, I agree someone answer if Homosexuality is reproductive or not....

*flashbacks*

Homosexuality Chosen or Genetic

Oh, Hell NO! Not again.

Nevermind.

One sec, we don't need 900 pages, because this is nearly finished.

Originally posted by Bardock42
1.) Homosexuality cannot reproduce itself.

- Homosexual animals cannot reproduce (given that they have sex with someone of the same sex....of course they can. As much as sithsaber...maybe even more)

2.)Homosexuality uses sexual/reproductive organs for purposes that are not their biological functions.

Hmm, one might claim that it is not the primary function, but it can be used to create great pleasure and that is certainly one biological function and they do use it according to that.

3.)If there is nothing else to add, then animals participating in homosexual behavior is a poor reason or example of homosexuality being normal or natural...for human beings.

Well, but we can see that it occurs naturally in other species. And we can see that it does naturally occur in human beings...whether that is wrong or right is of no matter, but it does occur. And how can it be unnatural? How can anything really be unnatural anyways?

q.e.d.

Now go away, I beg you, your stupidity hurts.

1.)You didn't answer the point. Of course homosexual people are capabable of reproduction (providing that they have no disfunctions) but only when having relations with the opposite sex.

Not when engaging in homosexual activity.

Such behaviors, do not reproduce more people of the same kind.

You fail.

2.) I AM claiming that reproductive organs aren't used for the primary biological function. You haven't disproved me. Pleasure is an effect, a reaction to the primary function being carried out.

You fail.

3.)You didn't answer the point. You said that it occurs naturally in animals, then that it occurs naturally in human beings. You gave no proof, evidence, or reason to support that statement. Again, I never mentioned right and wrong, and didn't ask you to elaborate on that topic. I asked you to show me how either:

A) homosexual behavior in animals gives legitamcy to homosexual behavior in human beings. (it doesn't because of various other behaviors that animals participate in that we don't validate)

B) something else gives validity to the claim that it's natural for people to engage in sexual behavior that doesn't lead to reproduction and/or uses the reproductive organs in ways that are contradictory to their biological functions.

You have done none of that.

You've just argued that it's normal... "cuz it just is that's why." and some mumbled attempt to say that it feels good.

You fail.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
One sec, we don't need 900 pages, because this is nearly finished.

1.)You didn't answer the point. Of course homosexual people are capabable of reproduction (providing that they have no disfunctions) but only when having relations with the opposite sex.

Not when engaging in homosexual activity.

Such behaviors, do not reproduce more people of the same kind.

You fail.

Yes, they don't. I don't need to disprove that. It is true. What does it matter?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
2.) I AM claiming that reproductive organs aren't used for the primary biological function. You haven't disproved me. Pleasure is an effect, a reaction to the primary function being carried out.

You fail.

No, you said that they are not used for their "biological functions", nothing about primary and what biological function (seeing as they certainly are used to urinate)...they just use it for their pleasure (like heterosexual couples that have safe sex, anal sex, oral sex, masturbate etc, ... never did any of that, sinner?) and choose not to use it to reproduce (like catholic priests, Couples that decide against children, etc.)

And no, it is not a reaction to that "primary function" carried out. You talk bullshit. Like that book you like.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
3.)You didn't answer the point. You said that it occurs naturally in animals, then that it occurs naturally in human beings. You gave no proof, evidence, or reason to support that statement. Again, I never mentioned right and wrong, and didn't ask you to elaborate on that topic. I asked you to show me how either:

It occurs naturally as can be seen by it...occurring at all. How can it be unnatural? Even if the human chose to be gay (and all evidence seems to suggest otherwise) it would still be as natural as you choosing to eat a burrito.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A) homosexual behavior in animals gives legitamcy to homosexual behavior in human beings. (it doesn't because of various other behaviors that animals participate in that we don't validate)

Originally posted by sithsaber408
B) something else gives validity to the claim that it's natural for people to engage in sexual behavior that doesn't lead to reproduction and/or uses the reproductive organs in ways that are contradictory to their biological functions.

Again, it is not contradictory to their biological functions.

But let me ask you a question to make it possible for me to answer yours. What do you consider natural and for what specific reasons?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You have done none of that.

You've just argued that it's normal... "cuz it just is that's why." and some mumbled attempt to say that it feels good.

You fail.

Man. I wish I could laugh at you when you are dead and realize that you have been an ignorant bigot that believed in a fictional hate book and some stupid ****ing ******* invisible dude that wants you to behave a certain way. But sadly you will never realize...for you will just be gone. Forever. Then again, nice thought as well.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Originally posted by FeceMan
And, yes, I read the whole thing. It's stupid.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I think the idea is more that society would be screwed up by teaching children that un-natural, biologically incorrect sexual activities and lifestyles are normal.

By telling them that if they are born with or without a penis and they want or don't want one, that they can be something that they weren't born as, and that a doctor will do it for them as young as the age of 12.

Dear me, moved beyond just homosexuality, and now God doesn't like sex changes either?

In their case, when they are real, sex change is justified. They feel wrong, and thus an avenue exists to correct it - heaven forbid humanity sit on science that is capable of making people happy and correcting their problems. Now in the case you are talking about the age is of great concern, but the science, and psychology behind sex-changes is real and sound. And has nothing to do with homosexuality.

I think the idea is that telling kids that bees polinate flowers, the rain moves in a cycle, and male and females create more people is thrown out of wack when you tell them in the next breath that homosexuality or transexuality is also normal and natural.

I don't think so, because despite what you might think kids aren't nearly that stupid. I am yet to see a child with an open mind throw their hands up and go "the world makes no sense! Gays and transsexuals! Gaahhhh!"

What I have seen is kids who go "But mommy and daddy say it is wrong and unnatural." Because I don't see why anything is "thrown out of whack."

No no, because it isn't true.

(At least that's what me and 85% of Americans think, but what do we know?)

Because opinionated masses are down with science and couldn't possibly be just venting their own spleens like this"Bwooooorh! This is my opinion which is as good as fact! God doesn't like gays so neither do I! Bwoooorh!" What was the percentage of people who believe Saddam was involved with 9/11 when they aren't believing it is all some conspiracy involving US missiles and what have you?

2.) I AM claiming that reproductive organs aren't used for the primary biological function. You haven't disproved me. Pleasure is an effect, a reaction to the primary function being carried out.

Ummmm - you do know that the vast majority of sexual activity that occurs in the world on a daily bases does not result in reproduction, and nor is it intended to? That means the majority of the time the reproductive organs aren't being used for their primary biological function. In fact some people never want kids, and so their entire sexual lives involves the pill and condom.

Humanity has moved beyond "this organ makes babies and nothing more." Pleasure is a valid purpose for them for many people. That is why they can be used to make babies, but they can also be used just for a lot of fun. And there is nothing really wrong with that.