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Originally posted by sithsaber408
Wrong.

Homosexuality isn't what people are intended to do.

Many still do, and they are welcomed to do as they please.

However, that does not mean that society as a whole has to promote or advocate their behaviors as normal.

It's like smoking.

Unnatural, and unhealthy for you.

People still can do it if they wish, whether they should or not is a different matter.

But pointing to the crowd and saying: "Look, plenty of people smoke, it occurs everyday in human populations, so it's natural for them to do so." would be incorrect.

They were not born a smoker. It's not natural just because they do it now.

Through whatever influences, experiences, and developmental factors in young childhood through adolescence..... they became smokers.

So they smoke. It's a behavior, a mindset, and even a lifestyle to be a smoker.

And we (society as a whole) understand and accept that it's who they are and what they do.

But we don't teach people that it's NORMAL to inhale dangerous chemicals that the body wasn't designed to have in it's lungs.

As with homosexuality, people smoke if they wish, but it's not what the body is designed for and serves no purpose other than a sort of pleasure that is destructive in the end.

Smokers don't ask us to teach smoking as "an acceptable alternative" to a normal smoke-free life in our schools, do they?

They don't ask us to go back through our history books and find and include any person who smoked, used to smoke, or used chewing tobacco and remove any historical fact about a person who did if it paints the person who practices one of those behaviors in a negative light.

And they certainly don't ask for any special marriage licence for people who participate in that behavior. (true, smokers can marry now if straight, but you get the point.)

And as with smoking, people can give up homosexuality and live a healthier life.

It's not easy, it takes time and effort to change your mindset (just as with smoking), and compassion and help from others... but it happens to thousands of people.

no offense intended, but are you clinically retarded?

You fool.

Homosexulity is not comparable to Smoking.

It is not destructive. It certainly does not harm anyone else.

You are the wrongdoer with your opinion, not they with their behaviour.

You take away freedoms from homosexuals because you don't like their behaviour, but in fact it does not harm you in any way.

You don't have to support homosexuality. Schools are there to teach facts. Fact is that smoking harms you, fact is that there are homosexuals. Both should be taught in the according classes...biology in that case.

I had no idea that homosexuality, the predispostioned sexual attraction to one's own gender, can cause lung cancer...

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Originally posted by PVS
no offense intended, but are you clinically retarded?

He could just have bad teeth.....

This discussion could be better handle without name calling and posting pointless pictures.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Wrong.

Homosexuality isn't what people are intended to do.

How do you know ? By what standards are you applying this claim ?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Many still do, and they are welcomed to do as they please.

However, that does not mean that society as a whole has to promote or advocate their behaviors as normal.

Normal is a social construct, there is no such thing as normal. It is simply an adjective we created to describe what the majority, or most powerful people, feel should be.

"Normal" does not exist in nature. It is a human invention. Your argument is entirely subjective and mute.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's like smoking.

Unnatural, and unhealthy for you.

Explain to me how homosexuality is unhealthy for me.

Then explain how it is "unnatural"

Originally posted by sithsaber408
People still can do it if they wish, whether they should or not is a different matter.

It's not up to you to decide what I "should" or "shouldn't" do in my sex life. AS long as I am not hurting anybody, then you have no right to make a comment or judgement on my personal life and actions.

Oh wait...I forgot....you're the master of reality....my bad 🙄

Originally posted by sithsaber408
But pointing to the crowd and saying: "Look, plenty of people smoke, it occurs everyday in human populations, so it's natural for them to do so." would be incorrect.

No intelligent person ever said Smoking was natural. Smoking is a habit caused by the addiction resulted from human contact with the drug.

Cigerettes were created by human beings. Therefore, yes, Smoking is unnatural, as it does not occur in nature, and it is very harmful.

Homosexuality[b], however, is not comparible to smoking. No one invented homosexuality, homosexuality is not a choice, sexual attractions are as natural as our taste in food.

Your attraction to women is just as natural as my attraction to men. Neither of us chose our attractions, they are part of our psyches are part of who we are.

[b]We can both control what we DO, but we cannot control what we WANT or lust after

Originally posted by sithsaber408
They were not born a smoker. It's not natural just because they do it now.

Through whatever influences, experiences, and developmental factors in young childhood through adolescence..... they became smokers.

Ofcourse no one is born a smoker....we know the direct cause of smoking....taking that first cigerette.

No one knows the cause of homosexual desire....there are Virgins who are Gay...how do you explain that ? Especially when there is massive evidense that Homosexuality is biological and genetic....

When doctors try to alter one's sexual orientation (for those idiot homosexuals who feel they should be heterosexual), they usually mess around with thier hormones, emotions, etc. in effort to alter thier sexual turn ons.

Success rate.....0 %

Originally posted by sithsaber408
So they smoke. It's a behavior, a mindset, and even a lifestyle to be a smoker.

And we (society as a whole) understand and accept that it's who they are and what they do.

But we don't teach people that it's NORMAL to inhale dangerous chemicals that the body wasn't designed to have in it's lungs.

Again, Normal is an irrelevant term, as there is no such thing as "normal". It is a subjective adjective, and has no real meaning.

Inhaling dangerous substances, and men being attracted to other men are two entirely different things...why are you comparing them?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
As with homosexuality, people smoke if they wish, but it's not what the body is designed for and serves no purpose other than a sort of pleasure that is destructive in the end.

How is homosexuality destructive ?

It's not just about pleasure....Homosexual men also fall in love with other men. How is your love for your girlfreind any more valid or real than my love for my boyfreind ? 😬

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Smokers don't ask us to teach smoking as "an acceptable alternative" to a normal smoke-free life in our schools, do they?

They don't ask us to go back through our history books and find and include any person who smoked, used to smoke, or used chewing tobacco and remove any historical fact about a person who did if it paints the person who practices one of those behaviors in a negative light.

That is because smokers WANT TO QUIT smoking, they know it is harmful, and will cause thier early deaths.

Homosexuality does not cause death....HIV and AIDS can occur in anyone, not just homosexuals, in fact, more heterosexuals contain those diseases than Homosexuals...

If you are going to make the argument that HIV and AIDS is a really a "gay disease" than you might as well argue that is is ALSO a "black disease" since it is rampant in Africa.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And they certainly don't ask for any special marriage licence for people who participate in that behavior. (true, smokers can marry now if straight, but you get the point.)

Oh, God, are you really this dumb ? 😆

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And as with smoking, people can give up homosexuality and live a healthier life.

It's not easy, it takes time and effort to change your mindset (just as with smoking), and compassion and help from others... but it happens to thousands of people.

How is heterosexuality healthier than homosexuality ? 🤨

What standards, what facts are you using ???

It happens to thousands of people ? Please give me records of the "thousands" of homosexuals who successfully became 100% heterosexual ?

There should be a 'Britney Spears' clause: no getting married for only a few hours cuz you were drunk out of your skull and thought it was a joke.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Man. I wish I could laugh at you when you are dead and realize that you have been an ignorant bigot that believed in a fictional hate book and some stupid ****ing ******* invisible dude that wants you to behave a certain way. But sadly you will never realize...for you will just be gone. Forever. Then again, nice thought as well.

I can admit being swayed to both sides of the argument , but Bardock , your making yourself look like a sore loser. When your post starts going awry you end it by bashing the guy . It's unnecessary and kinda juvenile.

Originally posted by grey fox
I can admit being swayed to both sides of the argument , but Bardock , your making yourself look like a sore loser. When your post starts going awry you end it by bashing the guy . It's unnecessary and kinda juvenile.

You are kidding, right?

Originally posted by grey fox
I can admit being swayed to both sides of the argument , but Bardock , your making yourself look like a sore loser. When your post starts going awry you end it by bashing the guy . It's unnecessary and kinda juvenile.

I don't think that your posts went awry nor were you losing the battle, but personal attacks are pretty counter-productive. I'm just as guilty as the next guy of doing it and I've yet to find complete satisfaction afterwards......except for noobs who start threads, who deserve it.

Originally posted by botankus
I don't think that your posts went awry nor were you losing the battle, but personal attacks are pretty counter-productive. I'm just as guilty as the next guy of doing it and I've yet to find complete satisfaction afterwards......except for noobs who start threads, who deserve it.

Well, to tell sithsaber what I actually think of him, gives me great satisfaction.

the use of disinformation, lies through repetition, comparing being born a certain way to having a cancer/death inducing habit, putting words in peoples mouths, and destroying a topic utterly by focusing it all on the previously stated is an insult and an offense to all. i'd rather someone give me a clearly reasoned and informed point punctuated with "...you assh0le", than page after page of the same exact spammed rants and lies punctuated with "have a nice day, good sir"

Most people get angry when incorrect beliefs/ideas are challanged and shown that the defense for them is folly.

To the point that all they can say is : "It just IS natural! Damn you, you bigot, Jesus-freak, fool, etc..."

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Most people get angry when incorrect beliefs/ideas are challanged and shown that the defense for them is folly.

To the point that all they can say is : "It just IS natural! Damn you, you bigot, Jesus-freak, fool, etc..."

I think you just don't understand what is said because you are an indoctrinated fool.

Read all arguments again, I mean, it is obvious to everyone that you are just wrong.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Most people get angry when incorrect beliefs/ideas are challanged and shown that the defense for them is folly.

To the point that all they can say is : "It just IS natural! Damn you, you bigot, Jesus-freak, fool, etc..."

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Most people get angry when incorrect beliefs/ideas are challanged and shown that the defense for them is folly.

To the point that all they can say is : "It just IS natural! Damn you, you bigot, Jesus-freak, fool, etc..."

Honey, you think homosexuality is as addictive, learned and potentially dangerous to one's health as cigarette smoking....

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Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you just don't understand what is said because you are an indoctrinated fool.

Read all arguments again, I mean, it is obvious to everyone that you are just wrong.

That's EXACTLY the truth about this subject.

Except it's the other way around.

You've been lead to believe that because a thing feels good, and is present in other forms of nature, that it is therefore normal and good.

Despite obvious facts to the contrary, such as it being against a sexual organs designed functions.

Or not self-sustaining. (homosexual people are created every generation through circumstance, not genetics.)

How exactly would a homosexual pass on the gene?

Even if it were dormant in a straight family and passed on, eventually somebody would end up gay, and not pro-create. The gay gene in that family dies.

And we all well know that there have been gay people for thousands of years. If they didn't pro-create, then the gene would have died with them.

Unless, as I maintain, it's not really genetics at all, but rather developmental changes/influences at a certain time in a certain way that leads to such feelings and subsequent behaviors.

The gene would always die, unless it's a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history.

In which case you are arguing that gays are a whole new sub-species, but this would be curable in the near future, as we can even now change the sex of a child through genetic manipulation.

*open to everybody*

Is that the consensus then?

Homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

(I'll wait until I see 4 or 5 "yes" answers, then address that.)

Originally posted by sithsaber408
That's EXACTLY the truth about this subject.

Except it's the other way around.

You've been lead to believe that because a thing feels good, and is present in other forms of nature, that it is therefore normal and good.

Despite obvious facts to the contrary, such as it being against a sexual organs designed functions.

Or not self-sustaining. (homosexual people are created every generation through circumstance, not genetics.)

How exactly would a homosexual pass on the gene?

Even if it were dormant in a straight family and passed on, eventually somebody would end up gay, and not pro-create. The gay gene in that family dies.

And we all well know that there have been gay people for thousands of years. If they didn't pro-create, then the gene would have died with them.

Unless, as I maintain, it's not really genetics at all, but rather developmental changes/influences at a certain time in a certain way that leads to such feelings and subsequent behaviors.

The gene would always die, unless it's a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history.

In which case you are arguing that gays are a whole new sub-species, but this would be curable in the near future, as we can even now change the sex of a child through genetic manipulation.

[b]*open to everybody*

Is that the consensus then?

Homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

(I'll wait until I see 4 or 5 "yes" answers, then address that.) [/B]

No. I have decided to believe that no one has the right to tell me what to do. I have decided that I have no right to tell others what they should do. And I found that freedom is the greatest ideal of all (your God agrees as much as even granting it in the first place).

Whether it is genetic, due to upbringing factors or just a choice, does not matter.

It does not harm you. it does not harm then. Why do you have the right to condemn them? Why do you have the right to judge them? Why do you have the right to limit their happiness? Why do you have the right that, if you are a true believer, only God has.

Believe in Jesus if you want to. I won't stop you. If you are right, you will go to Heaven. Good for you. What right do you have to limit my freedoms if I do not harm anyone?

Tell me, what made you above us others? What put you on the same level as God?

Why is it your decision who marries? What does it harm you if homosexual couples do so? Does God's will mean anything? He granted us free will. Some seem to want to pursue homosexual relationships.

Keep your religion to yourself. And I will keep mine to myself. And we can co-exist in peace.

Also, your view of genetics is limited. It could very well be a recessive trait and survive. It could also be a mutation. What does it matter?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
[b]*open to everybody*

Is that the consensus then?

Homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

(I'll wait until I see 4 or 5 "yes" answers, then address that.) [/B]