Proposal Requires Straights to Have Kids or Marriages Will Be Voided

Originally posted by Bardock42
No. I have decided to believe that no one has the right to tell me what to do. I have decided that I have no right to tell others what they should do. And I found that freedom is the greatest ideal of all (your God agrees as much as even granting it in the first place).

Whether it is genetic, due to upbringing factors or just a choice, does not matter.

It does not harm you. it does not harm then. Why do you have the right to condemn them? Why do you have the right to judge them? Why do you have the right to limit their happiness? Why do you have the right that, if you are a true believer, only God has.

Believe in Jesus if you want to. I won't stop you. If you are right, you will go to Heaven. Good for you. What right do you have to limit my freedoms if I do not harm anyone?

Tell me, what made you above us others? What put you on the same level as God?

Why is it your decision who marries? What does it harm you if homosexual couples do so? Does God's will mean anything? He granted us free will. Some seem to want to pursue homosexual relationships.

Keep your religion to yourself. And I will keep mine to myself. And we can co-exist in peace.

Also, your view of genetics is limited. It could very well be a recessive trait and survive. It could also be a mutation. What does it matter?

Originally posted by Strangelove
What's the point in answering? Your 'assessment' of the issue will be more quasi-scientific religious psycho-babble than any real analysis 🙄

Again, just for reminders sake: I've not mentioned religion once in this debate. Nor have I put down a gay person. I don't agree that the behavior is normal and natural, but I don't hate them. They are welcome to act in any way that they wish.

The issue at hand is: do we give validation to such actions and promote them in schools as normal and natural or is there an explanation for why the homosexuals of the world are what they are?

I'm attempting to answer that question with the one that I posed above.

Please give an answer:

Is it the consensus that homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Again, just for reminders sake: I've not mentioned religion once in this debate. Nor have I put down a gay person. I don't agree that the behavior is normal and natural, but I don't hate them. They are welcome to act in any way that they wish.

The issue at hand is: do we give validation to such actions and promote them in schools as normal and natural or is there an explanation for why the homosexuals of the world are what they are?

I'm attempting to answer that question with the one that I posed above.

Please give an answer:

Is it the consensus that homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

Whether it is genetic, due to upbringing factors or just a choice, does not matter.

It does not harm you. it does not harm then. Why do you have the right to condemn them? Why do you have the right to judge them? Why do you have the right to limit their happiness? Why do you have the right that, if you are a true believer, only God has.

Believe in Jesus if you want to. I won't stop you. If you are right, you will go to Heaven. Good for you. What right do you have to limit my freedoms if I do not harm anyone?

Tell me, what made you above us others? What put you on the same level as God?

Why is it your decision who marries? What does it harm you if homosexual couples do so? Does God's will mean anything? He granted us free will. Some seem to want to pursue homosexual relationships.

Keep your religion to yourself. And I will keep mine to myself. And we can co-exist in peace.

Also, your view of genetics is limited. It could very well be a recessive trait and survive. It could also be a mutation. What does it matter?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Is it the consensus that homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Being a sore loser would require Bardock to be losing. Which he isn't. SS has got it all wrong.

Ok then i think he's being a douche. Same thing , different flavour.

Instead of arguing logically he's dropping to a juvenile level and ending an good come-back with a bunch of unnecessary insults. Ot to put it in a more blatant way .

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
This discussion could be better handled without name calling and posting pointless pictures.

Originally posted by grey fox
Ok then i think he's being a douche. Same thing , different flavour.

Instead of arguing logically he's dropping to a juvenile level and ending an good come-back with a bunch of unnecessary insults. Ot to put it in a more blatant way .

Your problem then. I, for one, can't stand his stupidity.

But good thing we talked about it, so now you can shut up and I can continue arguing the way I please.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

You've been lead to believe that because a thing feels good, and is present in other forms of nature, that it is therefore normal and good.

No. We haven't. You're the only one saying that.....

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Stop pulling things out of your ass....

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Even if it were dormant in a straight family and passed on

You clearly possess the knowledge of a two-year old regarding biology....

You obviously never took anything beyond middle school regarding science.....

That's not how genetics work. It takes more than the "if mommy has blue eyes, the baby will get blue eyes" shtick for genetics to either be created or passed on.

Your knowledge of genetics is not only laughable but also disheartening.

I've never met a person who's knowledge of biology was so damn paltry...

Originally posted by sithsaber408

And we all well know that there have been gay people for thousands of years. If they didn't pro-create, then the gene would have died with them.

You're a complete imbecile.

First off, as stated before homosexuality in terms of genetics is shown NOT to be inheritable. Certain genetic traits in conjunction with certain protopic traits are shown to lead to homosexuality. But this is still theory since the DNA Human chain is literally billions of codes long.

Second, you REALLY think a homosexual in 1540 in England where the crime for homosexuality is death WOULDN'T get married and have kids?

Are you really that stupid to believe that ALL homosexuals in the past didn't reproduce?

It's not inheritable by familial traits. It's far more complicated than that....

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Unless, as I maintain, it's not really genetics at all, but rather developmental changes/influences at a certain time in a certain way that leads to such feelings and subsequent behaviors.

What "certain" way? What "certain" time? What "certain" influences? You're just pulling things out of your ass. You have no idea what you're talking about.

What are these "developmental changes" you speak of?

And it has to be inclusionary to ALL cultures, countries and social sects.

So saying, since the boy didn't play football, he turned gay is bullshit since many countries don't have football or even sports and yet they're not all gay.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The gene would always die, unless it's a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history.

No. No. NO. Do yourself a favor. Drive to a nearby high school. Audit a basic biology course. Jesus Christ. This isn't a Disney movie.....

Originally posted by sithsaber408
In which case you are arguing that gays are a whole new sub-species, but this would be curable in the near future, as we can even now change the sex of a child through genetic manipulation.

You're right about ONE thing. Despite it's "cure" phrase. EVERYTHING will be changeable in the future with genetic manipulation. Race included.

No black people since being black means you're more likely to be a criminal, drug addict and low-waged...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

It has to do with BOTH.

THINK!

You REALLY think it would stoop scientists for DECADES as to the origins of homosexuality if it was as simple you state?

You REALLY think you were the original creator of such an outdated (like 1947 outdated...) theory?

God, you're just unbelievably simple...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
(I'll wait until I see 4 or 5 "yes" answers, then address that.)

Please don't.

Or do.

Everytime a homophobe makes an ass out himself and gets curbstomped by a logical argument, the less homophobes in the future....

Originally posted by grey fox
Ok then i think he's being a douche. Same thing , different flavour.

Instead of arguing logically he's dropping to a juvenile level and ending an good come-back with a bunch of unnecessary insults. Ot to put it in a more blatant way .

are you just being silly or did you really mean for that not to be ironic?

Originally posted by PVS
are you just being silly or did you really mean for that not to be ironic?

Not ironic , it can be substituted for anything that identifies him as not being 'level'.

Originally posted by grey fox
Not ironic , it can be substituted for anything that identifies him as not being 'level'.

Dude, what is your problem.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Again, just for reminders sake: I've not mentioned religion once in this debate. Nor have I put down a gay person. I don't agree that the behavior is normal and natural, but I don't hate them. They are welcome to act in any way that they wish.

Honey, that's same thing as me saying:

I don't hate the Negroes. I just think Negroes are an inferior species of man and that they don't belong with regular white folk like us.

They're welcome to commit as many crimes as they want but I don't agree with them...

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Originally posted by sithsaber408
The issue at hand is: do we give validation to such actions and promote them in schools as normal and natural or is there an explanation for why the homosexuals of the world are what they are?

That's YOUR issue. Noone else frankly cares. It shouldn't come up unless it's during a sex education class...

You have no validation to promote homosexuality as immoral or wrong...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Is it the consensus that homosexuality is a random genetic mutation that just "appears" in people and has nothing to do with family history?

It's a factor of BOTH. Again, you clearly possess the scientific knowledge of a child....

Originally posted by grey fox
Not ironic , it can be substituted for anything that identifies him as not being 'level'.

as can "idiot" "****face" "scumbag" "loser" "jerkoff" etc.

why is it that when you say it, its nothing more than a gentle euphamism for "not level" and when someone else conducts themselves in such a manner they are insulting....or "douches", if you prefer.

i just think if you want to play 'enlightened savior of the thread' perhaps you need to hold yourself to a higher moral code than that douche bardock...because after all he's a douce and you're not....but then again you called him a douche which kinda makes you a....person who is also exhibiting signs of not being 'level'

:edit: not that i disagree that bardock is a douche....just f.y.i.

Originally posted by PVS
as can "idiot" "****face" "scumbag" "loser" "jerkoff" etc.

why is it that when you say it, its nothing more than a gentle euphamism for "not level" and when someone else conducts themselves in such a manner they are insulting....or "douches", if you prefer.

i just think if you want to play 'enlightened savior of the thread' perhaps you need to hold yourself to a higher moral code than that douche bardock...because after all he's a douce and you're not....but then again you called him a douche which kinda makes you a....person who is also exhibiting signs of not being 'level'

:edit: not that i disagree that bardock is a douche....just f.y.i.

Like I care whether people that use words that are too big for them think I am a douche. Also....douches score...

Sithsaber why do you always ignore my questions ?

I have asked your pretty respectfully, and you ignored all of my points... why ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sithsaber why do you always ignore my questions ?

I have asked your pretty respectfully, and you ignored all of my points... why ?

Ignorant people ignore logical arguments that threaten their beliefs. That's why we call them ignorant....

Originally posted by Draco69
Ignorant people ignore logical arguments that threaten their beliefs. That's why we call them ignorant....

Yeah, but his ignorance isn't sincere....his ignorance is intentional. He pretty much knows he could be wrong, but chooses to beleive otherwise.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sithsaber why do you always ignore my questions ?

I have asked your pretty respectfully, and you ignored all of my points... why ?

Because it was all about love and god, two things that I was not discussing nor asking about.

Originally posted by Draco69
Ignorant people ignore logical arguments that threaten their beliefs. That's why we call them ignorant....

To your credit though, you are the only one to answer so far, and your answer was:

Both.

Hmm. You arrived at this conclusion how?

Is there some way to show that homosexuality is both a random genetic mutation AND passed through family genes?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yeah, but his ignorance isn't sincere....his ignorance is intentional. He pretty much knows he could be wrong, but chooses to beleive otherwise.

Meh. His knowledge of biology is elementary. Like "Lion King" elementary.

If Mufasa wasn't gay, than Simba won't be either!

Hajoinks!

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Originally posted by sithsaber408
Because it was all about love and god, two things that I was not discussing nor asking about. Right. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

To your credit though, you are the only one to answer so far, and your answer was:

Both.

Hmm. You arrived at this conclusion how?

Is there some way to show that homosexuality is both a random genetic mutation AND passed through family genes?

I think admiting that you lack the knowledge should count as answer.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think admiting that you lack the knowledge should count as answer.

What you think is irrelevant. What you need is proof.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What you think is irrelevant. What you need is proof.

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There is no conclusive proof. You do know that, right? Which is why it is discussed heavily. Which is why you can still voice your opinions on it. Heck, then again you would probably even voice it if it was proven to be wrong. As do many people that are against Evolution.