Here's a few:
Comic Characters are based on a CBR debate rules:
First of all, comic book writers couldn't care less about someone on a forum saying "PIS!" every time there's a low feat involved. It's their book, and I doubt they like you calling them a moron. Second, claiming PIS should only be reserved for feats that are written by writers like Loeb and Hudlin, who stroke their characters and make them out to be more than they are.
Spider-Man vs Firelord
For Digi's sake, I'm actually going to defend this one. First of all, it is not up for people reading to comic to say what should and should not be on that page. It's the companies decision, and we don't have the right to say OMG IT DOESN'T COUNT! Spider-Man performs well against Top-Tiers. That's part of his character, just like Batman able to sneak up on Superman, and Wonder Woman being ugly. 😛
Second, Spider-Man has beaten Firelord TWICE. Has anyone ever thought for a split second that Firelord just isn't that durable? He's like the bastard son of Galactus' Heralds. He lost to Spider-Man because Spidey is powerful enough to defeat the weakest of Heralds, and it's not like he hasn't beaten high-end mid tiers or low end top tiers before.
All of Darkseid's lower showing are Avatars or Desaad.
I'm just going to state this right now. If you were to go and say this on a board like Comic Edge, Superherochat, or any other, you'd get laughed off like you're an imbecile. It's a claim that isn't grounded by fact, but rather assumption. When it comes to Darkseid, you need to take into account the fact that there is a mess of retcons with him. The only Desaad impersonations are two Dr. Fate appearances, and a Hawk and Dove appearance. As for avatars, there are also very few of them to actually attribute to DS being defeated.
So, you may ask "Well, Howard, if Darkseid is supposed to be that powerful, then why does Superman beat him?"
Well, there's a few things that factor into this. The first one is the fact that they wanted to make Darkseid a better DCU villain. What happens to villains in the DCU more times than not? They get beat by top tier heroes, and are made to look like fools. If you want to blame anything for Darkseid being lowered, blame the Superman animated series. The writers actually have stated, I believe, to taking 'seid down a few notches for the sake of making him beatable. Essentially, here's how it goes: You know the Darkseid that was uber? He's essentially been retconned for lack of a better term. He's loooong gone.
So (though it sucks) Superman deflected the OE with heat vision, Wonder Woman did it with her bracelets, Superman blinded Darkseid. Doomsday defeated Darkseid, etc etc. It stinks, but it's there.
One more:
Professor Hulk had problems with strength
This is the dumbest claim that I've ever seen about Hulk. I know there's minimal love for the Great Green Behemoth, but I really can't stand when one of my favorite characters gets slandered like that. First of all, one thing that was evident was that this incarnation was actually the strongest and the most durable of all of them. Imagine being the strongest being on a planet, but having no control of it for years. Then, all of a sudden, you gain complete control over your powers. That's Professor Hulk. It's Prof. Hulk that was able to heal a huge hole in his chest due to Trauma. It was Prof. Hulk who healed from a flayed skeleton after kicking the crap out of the U-Foes by himself (same fight where he was impaled through all his limbs and stomach). It's Prof. Hulk who simulated five times a normal centrifuge, his hands vibrating at 1/9th the speed of light, and wasn't even mad. He's the incarnation that soloed X-Factor as well.
So, Prof. Hulk is probably the most deadly incarnation. He's not above being pissed, but he's in complete control of his strength.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I know that one isn't true. I can name 2 street levelers and one meta-human who've done it. Captain America, Daredevil (He has done it, but it's doubtful if he can do it consistently), Spiderman. Wolverine caught a bullet once in his hand, but I think that was not PIS, it was also complete shit writing.that's my next gripe. Wolverine doing things like catching bullets, or stabbing Thanos w/e IG. Some people actually count those as feats. On a related note, Logan cannot beat Deadpool. End of story. DP is a better fighter, better healing factor, and better tactician. As Taskmaster said, he's just that damn good.
I am glad I do not run into you in the vs forum because I shvoed so much information down yoru throat your head would spinn.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Here's a few:Comic Characters are based on a CBR debate rules:
First of all, comic book writers couldn't care less about someone on a forum saying "PIS!" every time there's a low feat involved. It's their book, and I doubt they like you calling them a moron. Second, claiming PIS should only be reserved for feats that are written by writers like Loeb and Hudlin, who stroke their characters and make them out to be more than they are.
Spider-Man vs Firelord
For Digi's sake, I'm actually going to defend this one. First of all, it is not up for people reading to comic to say what should and should not be on that page. It's the companies decision, and we don't have the right to say OMG IT DOESN'T COUNT! Spider-Man performs well against Top-Tiers. That's part of his character, just like Batman able to sneak up on Superman, and Wonder Woman being ugly. 😛
Second, Spider-Man has beaten Firelord TWICE. Has anyone ever thought for a split second that Firelord just isn't that durable? He's like the bastard son of Galactus' Heralds. He lost to Spider-Man because Spidey is powerful enough to defeat the weakest of Heralds, and it's not like he hasn't beaten high-end mid tiers or low end top tiers before.All of Darkseid's lower showing are Avatars or Desaad.
I'm just going to state this right now. If you were to go and say this on a board like Comic Edge, Superherochat, or any other, you'd get laughed off like you're an imbecile. It's a claim that isn't grounded by fact, but rather assumption. When it comes to Darkseid, you need to take into account the fact that there is a mess of retcons with him. The only Desaad impersonations are two Dr. Fate appearances, and a Hawk and Dove appearance. As for avatars, there are also very few of them to actually attribute to DS being defeated.So, you may ask "Well, Howard, if Darkseid is supposed to be that powerful, then why does Superman beat him?"
Well, there's a few things that factor into this. The first one is the fact that they wanted to make Darkseid a better DCU villain. What happens to villains in the DCU more times than not? They get beat by top tier heroes, and are made to look like fools. If you want to blame anything for Darkseid being lowered, blame the Superman animated series. The writers actually have stated, I believe, to taking 'seid down a few notches for the sake of making him beatable. Essentially, here's how it goes: You know the Darkseid that was uber? He's essentially been [b]retconned
for lack of a better term. He's loooong gone.So (though it sucks) Superman deflected the OE with heat vision, Wonder Woman did it with her bracelets, Superman blinded Darkseid. Doomsday defeated Darkseid, etc etc. It stinks, but it's there. [/B]
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
One more:Professor Hulk had problems with strength
This is the dumbest claim that I've ever seen about Hulk. I know there's minimal love for the Great Green Behemoth, but I really can't stand when one of my favorite characters gets slandered like that. First of all, one thing that was evident was that this incarnation was actually the strongest and the most durable of all of them. Imagine being the strongest being on a planet, but having no control of it for years. Then, all of a sudden, you gain complete control over your powers. That's Professor Hulk. It's Prof. Hulk that was able to heal a huge hole in his chest due to Trauma. It was Prof. Hulk who healed from a flayed skeleton after kicking the crap out of the U-Foes by himself (same fight where he was impaled through all his limbs and stomach). It's Prof. Hulk who simulated five times a normal centrifuge, his hands vibrating at 1/9th the speed of light, and wasn't even mad. He's the incarnation that soloed X-Factor as well.
So, Prof. Hulk is probably the most deadly incarnation. He's not above being pissed, but he's in complete control of his strength.
And now I feel stupid . . .
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Spider-Man vs FirelordFor Digi's sake, I'm actually going to defend this one. First of all, it is not up for people reading to comic to say what should and should not be on that page. It's the companies decision, and we don't have the right to say OMG IT DOESN'T COUNT! Spider-Man performs well against Top-Tiers. That's part of his character, just like Batman able to sneak up on Superman, and Wonder Woman being ugly. 😛
Second, Spider-Man has beaten Firelord TWICE. Has anyone ever thought for a split second that Firelord just isn't that durable? He's like the bastard son of Galactus' Heralds. He lost to Spider-Man because Spidey is powerful enough to defeat the weakest of Heralds, and it's not like he hasn't beaten high-end mid tiers or low end top tiers before.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
This one kind of bugs me. People act like Spidey 1 shot him with his pinky when really Firelord is just a big dummy that let his honor get himself dragged around the city all day then circumstantially defeated.
Essentially. Firelord is a dumbass.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And now I feel stupid . . .
Why for?
Allright, I'll post the major one that immediatley comes to mind
Smurf's #1 Disliked Misconception:
1. Characters are weak because they are unpopular:
This most common example of this would be someone like Jubilee. The girl can blow up things at a subatomic level. Bloddlusted Jubilee pwns Wolverine, Spiderman, and surely ay other street leveler. How ever, she's treated like she could discharge enough power to tear through paper.
This kind of thing is also true for whoever is disliked at the moment. Often it's Storm, Wolverine, Hulk, etc. who, due to an overwhelming amount of deluded fanboys, recieves a major backlash from all sensible posters. And suddenly, people start believing that Wolverine could lose to Daredevil, and that Black Panther could give Hulk a serious fight.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
This one kind of bugs me. People act like Spidey 1 shot him with his pinky when really Firelord is just a big dummy that let his honor get himself dragged around the city all day then circumstantially defeated.
Yes, but most people assume that Spidey beat him easily. He had to bring his A-game for 2 comics straight, and work FL into various situations to inflict damage on him (subway car, exploding gas station, etc.).
FL himself said that he didn't want to simply destroy the city to destroy SM. He wanted to best him in single combat. And then he got owned in single combat....that part of the fight wasn't poorly written.
So PIS or not, it's top 5 among Spidey showings too, and the only major PIS is FL withholiding a nova blast.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yes, but most people assume that Spidey beat him easily. He had to bring his A-game for 2 comics straight, and work FL into various situations to inflict damage on him (subway car, exploding gas station, etc.).FL himself said that he didn't want to simply destroy the city to destroy SM. He wanted to best him in single combat. And then he got owned in single combat....that part of the fight wasn't poorly written.
So PIS or not, it's top 5 among Spidey showings too, and the only major PIS is FL withholiding a nova blast.
I semi-disagree with you. Having a character act in character isn't PIS.
Besides, where do we get off saying the writer is an idiot, sans Hudlin and Loeb?
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I semi-disagree with you. Having a character act in character isn't PIS.Besides, where do we get off saying the writer is an idiot, sans Hudlin and Loeb?
Fair enough, and I suppose I'd agree about the PIS thing.
But I never said anything about the writer...I actually think it was a well-written fight, given the circumstances.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Fair enough, and I suppose I'd agree about the PIS thing.But I never said anything about the writer...I actually think it was a well-written fight, given the circumstances.
Same here.
Wasn't the cover of their second fight having someone say in the background "Spider-Man! You can't beat Firelord!"
He says, "wanna bet?"
Originally posted by DigiMark007You see, I disagree with you here.
Yes, but most people assume that Spidey beat him easily. He had to bring his A-game for 2 comics straight, and work FL into various situations to inflict damage on him (subway car, exploding gas station, etc.).FL himself said that he didn't want to simply destroy the city to destroy SM. He wanted to best him in single combat. And then he got owned in single combat....that part of the fight wasn't poorly written.
So PIS or not, it's top 5 among Spidey showings too, and the only major PIS is FL withholiding a nova blast.
How does someone, who withstands Surfer's blasts on the daily, get damaged by a subway car, and a gas station... or, how does a gas station so much as make him blink? He controls fire.
Anyway, even if weakened, how does this allow Spider-Man to KO him?
First off, Firelord shouldn't be hurt by those things.
Second, Firelord shouldn't be put down by punches, from Spider-Man even if he is weakened (is his duribility affected?).
Also, anything that Spidey threw at him, shouldn't have affected his stamina (because stamina, also is a cause).
Even if he was beaten in combat (fighting skills), he still shouldn't have been KOed. Hell, how could he not react to Spidey attacking him anyway? His reflexes have him fighting Morg, Surfer, etc.
No, nothing in that fight makes sense. You can say that Firelord COULD have killed him, but, that doesn't change the horrible duribility and fighting skills he was written with in that comic.
It is pis, unless we say a gas station could affect him. Which... Surfer has surivived planets exploding without a scratch... can we compare the two?
Originally posted by bigbran
You see, I disagree with you here.
I have saw the fight before we run into that.How does someone, who withstands Surfer's blasts on the daily, get damaged by a subway car, and a gas station... or, how does a gas station so much as make him blink? He controls fire.
Anyway, even if weakened, how does this allow Spider-Man to KO him?
First off, Firelord shouldn't be hurt by those things.
Second, Firelord shouldn't be put down by punches, from Spider-Man even if he is weakened (is his duribility affected?).
Also, anything that Spidey threw at him, shouldn't have affected his stamina (because stamina, also is a cause).
Even if he was beaten in combat (fighting skills), he still shouldn't have been KOed. Hell, how could he not react to Spidey attacking him anyway? His reflexes have him fighting Morg, Surfer, etc.No, nothing in that fight makes sense. You can say that Firelord COULD have killed him, but, that doesn't change the horrible duribility and fighting skills he was written with in that comic.
It is pis, unless we say a gas station could affect him. Which... Surfer has surivived planets exploding without a scratch... can we compare the two?
As always, you forget one fact, Bran.
Firelord sucks. 😛
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Here's a few:All of Darkseid's lower showing are Avatars or Desaad.
I'm just going to state this right now. If you were to go and say this on a board like Comic Edge, Superherochat, or any other, you'd get laughed off like you're an imbecile. It's a claim that isn't grounded by fact, but rather assumption. When it comes to Darkseid, you need to take into account the fact that there is a mess of retcons with him. The only Desaad impersonations are two Dr. Fate appearances, and a Hawk and Dove appearance. As for avatars, there are also very few of them to actually attribute to DS being defeated.
Well if you said it on some of the bigger comics boards like the Hype people would agree with you. So really it's kids boards Vs. boards with older members who understand retconns a bit better.
It's no big problem you don't get it though! You have your own agenda, it's worng but that's your choice.