Originally posted by The Libertine
Well if you said it on some of the bigger comics boards like the Hype people would agree with you. So really it's kids boards Vs. boards with older members who understand retconns a bit better.It's no big problem you don't get it though! You have your own agenda, it's worng but that's your choice.
Worng? Never heard of that one.
Son, I think you are going off of third party information that you don't know crap about. You're just having a hard time dealing with the truth.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Am I the only one who thinks Beta Ray Howard was reaching abit to try and disprove Draco's assertation that DS has using avatars since the 80s?
Reaching? Trickster, you believed half truths, and I went out of my way to get them corrected.
So, finding out the truth of the matter is reaching? That's stupid.
Hell, you said he was under Presence and Spectre. Well, you missed:
-Great Evil Beast (albeit not what one would call a "current chartacter."😉 But so what?
-Archangel Michael
-Lucifer Morningstar
-The Word
-The Decreator
-The Endless
-Oblivion Shadow
-The Ultimator (not currently active)
-Mr.Mxyztplk,Bat-Mite,Qwsp,YZ,and other imps
-King of Tears
-Azmodeus
-Yuga Khan (not currently active)
-S’ ivaa (not currently active)
-Black Alice
-Trigon
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Spider-Man vs FirelordFor Digi's sake, I'm actually going to defend this one. First of all, it is not up for people reading to comic to say what should and should not be on that page. It's the companies decision, and we don't have the right to say OMG IT DOESN'T COUNT! Spider-Man performs well against Top-Tiers. That's part of his character, just like Batman able to sneak up on Superman, and Wonder Woman being ugly. 😛
Second, Spider-Man has beaten Firelord TWICE. Has anyone ever thought for a split second that Firelord just isn't that durable? He's like the bastard son of Galactus' Heralds. He lost to Spider-Man because Spidey is powerful enough to defeat the weakest of Heralds, and it's not like he hasn't beaten high-end mid tiers or low end top tiers before.
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Obviously didn't read Annihilation 😄
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Reaching? Trickster, you believed half truths, and I went out of my way to get them corrected.So, finding out the truth of the matter is reaching? That's stupid.
Hell, you said he was under Presence and Spectre. Well, you missed:
-Great Evil Beast (albeit not what one would call a "current chartacter."😉 But so what?
-Archangel Michael
-Lucifer Morningstar
-The Word
-The Decreator
-The Endless
-Oblivion Shadow
-The Ultimator (not currently active)
-Mr.Mxyztplk,Bat-Mite,Qwsp,YZ,and other imps
-King of Tears
-Azmodeus
-Yuga Khan (not currently active)
-S’ ivaa (not currently active)
-Black Alice
-Trigon
I would add Overmaster and Phantom Stranger to the list.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Am I the only one who thinks Beta Ray Howard was reaching abit to try and disprove Draco's assertation that DS has using avatars since the 80s?
Not really.
I mean he wasn't affected by the company wide-retcon that was COIE , yet he's suddenly getting his ass kicked by weakened Supes ?
It's either clones or CHEEEEEEAP writing.
Originally posted by grey fox
Not really.I mean he wasn't affected by the company wide-retcon that was COIE , yet he's suddenly getting his ass kicked by weakened Supes ?
It's either clones or CHEEEEEEAP writing.
Essentially. It's come down to the fact that DC decided as a whole to crap on the character and make him weaker for the sake of using him more often. They could have came up with a new villain just as easily.
Originally posted by inamilist
His lines make for the best samples ever
Yes they do.
Don't click if you're sensitive.
Originally posted by bigbran
You see, I disagree with you here.
I have saw the fight before we run into that.How does someone, who withstands Surfer's blasts on the daily, get damaged by a subway car, and a gas station... or, how does a gas station so much as make him blink? He controls fire.
Anyway, even if weakened, how does this allow Spider-Man to KO him?
First off, Firelord shouldn't be hurt by those things.
Second, Firelord shouldn't be put down by punches, from Spider-Man even if he is weakened (is his duribility affected?).
Also, anything that Spidey threw at him, shouldn't have affected his stamina (because stamina, also is a cause).
Even if he was beaten in combat (fighting skills), he still shouldn't have been KOed. Hell, how could he not react to Spidey attacking him anyway? His reflexes have him fighting Morg, Surfer, etc.No, nothing in that fight makes sense. You can say that Firelord COULD have killed him, but, that doesn't change the horrible duribility and fighting skills he was written with in that comic.
It is pis, unless we say a gas station could affect him. Which... Surfer has surivived planets exploding without a scratch... can we compare the two?
I see nothing from FL's past showings that would make the fight PIS:
- getting rammed by a subway
- being point blank for an exploding gas station
- beat on mercilessly by Spidey
- I might be forgetting something....but that's still plenty.
There's a lot of blunt trauma there, regarldess of past showings. Saying it was PIS is a stretch, especially since I've never seen a defenseless FL take a city-busting blast (or greater) and be conscious. He just doesn't have that kind of showing.
And as for the reflex thing, there's a huge difference between travel speed and reaction time.
Say you threw 100 daggers simultaneously at Spidey and Surfer, and asked them to catch as many as possible. I legitimately think SM would catch more. I don't see FL not being able to hit him in H2H combat as PIS....not at all.
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Was the fight still a strech? Sure. But a low-ish showing from FL combined with a high-ish showing from Spidey (and yes, he was tired afterward), and FL refusing to use his nova blast, and it's not an illogical outcome.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The Omniverse theory....."Marvel is larger than the DCU because they only have a multiverse. Whereas Marvel has the Omniverse. That's why Marvel's Cosmics are better"Yet they fail to grasp that by Omniverse implies all Multiverses into ONE whole. If Marvel Universe possess a Omniverse that means that DC, Wildstorm, Image and Vertigo are all part of Marvel Comics. Which is utter BS. Marvel just like any other comic book in the business is base on a Multiverse.
Marvel has its own Omniverse, with it's own Omniversal Guardian:
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)
"My hand guides the Omni-verse Now, Unlike my Father, I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"
This is Roma's Starlight Citidel,
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
The Omniversal Tribune had the power to erase any Universe in the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
Now Roma and Saturnyne posses the Celestial Nullifier:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"
I hope this helped to put to rest that misconception that other Comic book companies share the same Omniverse as Marvel's.
Speaking of T-Vo.
http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?rpl=060903190338&q=vo
Da da da da da da! Retconned!
