Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Speaking of T-Vo.
http://www.comicboards.com/superman/view.php?rpl=060903190338&q=voDa da da da da da! Retconned!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel has its own Omniverse, with it's own Omniversal Guardian:
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)"My hand guides the Omni-verse Now, Unlike my Father, I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"
This is Roma's Starlight Citidel,
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
The Omniversal Tribune had the power to erase any Universe in the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
Now Roma and Saturnyne posses the Celestial Nullifier:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"I hope this helped to put to rest that misconception that other Comic book companies share the same Omniverse as Marvel's.
Sorry, but Marvel isn't the authority on the Theory of an Omniverse. All your doing is taking their word. Simply put...Marvel is wrong (wow, the shock!) All you do is post images as to what Marvel says. It doesn't work like that...here is a link in which it states differently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Omniverse
Marvel does not have an Omniverse...It's simply just another Multiverse of Comics. There is only one Omniverse in fiction and is the sum of all other Multiverses. We're not fictional characters. Comics on the other hand are..sorry..things don't generate out of Marvel Comics.
Simple.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sorry, but Marvel isn't the authority on the Theory of an Omniverse. All your doing is taking their word. Simply put...Marvel is wrong (wow, the shock!) All you do is post images as to what Marvel says. It doesn't work like that...here is a link in which it states differently:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Omniverse
Marvel does not have an Omniverse...It's simply just another Multiverse of Comics. There is only one Omniverse in fiction is the sum of all others. We're not fictional characters. Comics on the other hand are..sorry..things don't generate out of Marvel Comics.
Simple.
Except for the fact that the comic evidence contradicts that.
Check the page again.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Checks again:"Omni is the Latin word for 'all.'"
Yup, Marvel is still wrong. DCU is not a part of the MU.
Thank you for that.
The thing that is incorrect is that Marvel is its own Omniverse, as stated on panel.
Whoever originally wrote that Wiki article was full of it.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I see nothing from FL's past showings that would make the fight PIS:
- getting rammed by a subway
- being point blank for an exploding gas station
- beat on mercilessly by Spidey
- I might be forgetting something....but that's still plenty.There's a lot of blunt trauma there, regarldess of past showings. Saying it was PIS is a stretch, especially since I've never seen a defenseless FL take a city-busting blast (or greater) and be conscious. He just doesn't have that kind of showing.
And as for the reflex thing, there's a huge difference between travel speed and reaction time.
Say you threw 100 daggers simultaneously at Spidey and Surfer, and asked them to catch as many as possible. I legitimately think SM would catch more. I don't see FL not being able to hit him in H2H combat as PIS....not at all.
...
Was the fight still a strech? Sure. But a low-ish showing from FL combined with a high-ish showing from Spidey (and yes, he was tired afterward), and FL refusing to use his nova blast, and it's not an illogical outcome.
Subway:
Does Drax not hit harder than a subway?
Gas Station:
Does Surfer not dish out more damage than a gas station exploding, in almost... everyone of his blasts? Surfer's are more concentrated, but just because of the size, that doesn't mean that they are weaker.
Getting punched by Spidey:
😐
City busting blast? What? It only destroyed a block. Anyway, does Surfer not put out more energy than destroying a block?
An exploding gas station...
I also know that those ships in Annihilation were way bigger than blocks...
I know about the travel speed and such, but Firelord still reacts to people like Morg, Surfer, etc.
Surfer wouldn't have to move at all... also, Surfer would probably catch them all... nano second reflexes.
Pis then?
Just because he refused to use a blast, doesn't mean that that makes it reasonable for him to get his ass kicked the way he did.
It doesn't negate his duribility after all.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel has its own Omniverse, with it's own Omniversal Guardian:
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)"My hand guides the Omni-verse Now, Unlike my Father, I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"
This is Roma's Starlight Citidel,
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
The Omniversal Tribune had the power to erase any Universe in the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
Now Roma and Saturnyne posses the Celestial Nullifier:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"I hope this helped to put to rest that misconception that other Comic book companies share the same Omniverse as Marvel's.
Bah, Jack Kirby walks in and just erases all this Omniverse garbage 😄
I think the Omniverse thing is all about perspective.
Marvel has it's own OMNIVERSE , which encompasses EVERYTHING and ANYTHING marvel has produced etc
DC (as a separate company and thus a seperate 'thing' entirely) has it's own OMNIVERSE.
If DC was merged with Marvel then yes i'd agree with the statement that Roma gaurds DC as well...
Originally posted by bigbran
Does this not contridict the entire fight? Why didn't he absorb the energy from the gas station?Subway:
Does Drax not hit harder than a subway?Gas Station:
Does Surfer not dish out more damage than a gas station exploding, in almost... everyone of his blasts? Surfer's are more concentrated, but just because of the size, that doesn't mean that they are weaker.Getting punched by Spidey:
😐City busting blast? What? It only destroyed a block. Anyway, does Surfer not put out more energy than destroying a block?
An exploding gas station...
I also know that those ships in Annihilation were way bigger than blocks...I know about the travel speed and such, but Firelord still reacts to people like Morg, Surfer, etc.
Surfer wouldn't have to move at all... also, Surfer would probably catch them all... nano second reflexes.
Pis then?
Just because he refused to use a blast, doesn't mean that that makes it reasonable for him to get his ass kicked the way he did.
It doesn't negate his duribility after all.
Surviving re-entry and crashing onto a planet?
I dunno...it's not much worse than what SM put him through.
I've also heard the "absorb the gas station" argument before. The heat, perhaps, but the explosion itself would have created an immense amount of cuncussive force. It's more like a bomb with some heat flames attached to it, rather than, say, a big flame thrower.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Say you threw 100 daggers simultaneously at Spidey and Surfer, and asked them to catch as many as possible. I legitimately think SM would catch more. I don't see FL not being able to hit him in H2H combat as PIS....not at all....
Was the fight still a strech? Sure. But a low-ish showing from FL combined with a high-ish showing from Spidey (and yes, he was tired afterward), and FL refusing to use his nova blast, and it's not an illogical outcome.
🙄 😆
Omniverse = all universes within a reality. And I'm not about a talking comic-book reality (which is much smaller, hence the reasoning for having alternate realities.)
If you accept that Marvel = a reality, and an Omniverse = all multiverses/universes within a reality, then therefore the Omniverse as referenced by Marvel, refers to all multiverses/universes within Marvel.
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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sorry, but Marvel isn't the authority on the Theory of an Omniverse.
Concerning "Marvel's Omniverse" they are.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
All your doing is taking their word.
Concerning their comic books, I have no choice.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Simply put...Marvel is wrong (wow, the shock!) All you do is post images as to what Marvel says. It doesn't work like that...here is a link in which it states differently:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Omniverse
Again, concerning Marvel Comics, I'll take Marvel's Facts on the matter, because Marvel created it so it's a Marvel Fact.
The Omniverse has been mentioned across many Titles, On Panel and solidified in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe v5 2006.
Excalibur was a team dedicated to roaming the Marvel Omniverse.
and on and on...
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Marvel does not have an Omniverse...It's simply just another Multiverse of Comics.
Actually they do.
I believe I posted the proof from the Official Hanbook, not Wiki.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
There is only one Omniverse in fiction and is the sum of all other Multiverses.
Nah friend, On Panel and in the Official Bio,
Marvel has it's own Omniverse and characters that guard and patrol the Omniverse regularly, characters that can affect the Omniverse, no way DC would allow Roma to have the authority to wipe out their Multiverse or even a single Universe in their company.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
We're not fictional characters. Comics on the other hand are..sorry..things don't generate out of Marvel Comics.Simple.
dontgetit
Originally posted by DigiMark007
You disagree?
*raises hand*
I do.
For one, in your scenario, are they thrown simultaneously or sequentially?
If the latter, they both would catch all of them.
If the former, then the Surfer could catch them all, while Spidey would have trouble too far past ten or so.
But seriously, I'm curious, how could you believe that Spiderman has better reflexes than the Surfer? Does Spiderman regularly dodge meteor storms at the speed of light?
Originally posted by Soljer
*raises hand*I do.
For one, in your scenario, are they thrown simultaneously or sequentially?
If the latter, they both would catch all of them.
If the former, then the Surfer could catch them all, while Spidey would have trouble too far past ten or so.
But seriously, I'm curious, how could you believe that Spiderman has better reflexes than the Surfer? Does Spiderman regularly dodge meteor storms at the speed of light?
Surfer can travel faster, obviously. But travel speed and reaction time are very different things. When has Surfer ever displayed the kind of reactions needed for, say, catching those 100 knives all at once? That's a Flash-type feat...not a herald feat.
Hell, Spidey has dodged concentrated blasts from Surfer, as well as many others who are in a similar class as him (FL, Thor, etc.)
