THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

Originally posted by bigbran
Well... if your going to bring up a universe actually being a multiverse, then shouldn't you be prepared for it to backfire?

Still don't see how that Excalibur scan fits in here.

Originally posted by bigbran
I don't agree with your theory, and I know what proof is going to come up to go against it... nipping it in the bud.

I'm not interested whether you agree or not.

I already conclusively proved my case.

Originally posted by bigbran
He was manipulated around and then disappeared.

No he was not, he miniaturized and teleported him away.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, teh background was about the same, before and after he absorbed Eternity.

Exactly, they were not constricted in one Universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
I already answered this.
It is speculation to say that he absorbed everything.

You haven't answered it all, you threw an unsatisfactory guess in the air.

Originally posted by bigbran
I thought you, out of anyone, wouldn't go against teh proof when it is right there in front of you.

What Proof?

Who else was left in that One Universe to Threaten Thanos?

Oh ... You have Proof?

Well then by all means post it.

Originally posted by bigbran
I accused people of lying or twisting scans... after I posted the scan saying it was a universe... without teh speculation.

You're simply unaware that the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse, even though I posted plenty of Proof.

The 616 Reality or the 616 Universe is Singular Eternity/Universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh...

Thanos said that the people he had just killed had went to Oblivion. So... LT and Eternity were actually in the same place as Thanos?

Where ever there is Nothingness, there is Oblivion.

Originally posted by bigbran
He wasn't even threatened by LT as he had pointed out, so I don't know why you are clinging to this scan so much.

T'was Thanos talking is all, and t'was also Thanos/others saying numerous times that he had only taken out a universe.
I guess Thanos/others is lying about him absorbing a universe (a couple times), and we should take the speculation as solid proof...

Nice,

so all you can do, is theorize cause you have no comprehensible answer, as to WHAT was it that Thanos felt Threatened by in this One Universe.

"T'was Thanos talking is all"

Is this your answer?

Please ...

Originally posted by bigbran
Or the rest from that universe?

"IT HAD to be..."
You almost have to be joking with this one...

You should see how you have me 😆

Saying the "rest of the Universe' is what Thanos felt Threatened by.

Yea, look out here comes the Kree and Skrull empire. 😂

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, you expect me to believe that Thanos couldn't even absorb universal Death (I know what happened, so don't point it out...), but yet, he can successfully absorb the rest of the multiverse?
I guess it sounds fair...

There are other Multiverses,

Death's Realm is Outside of Space and Time, so long as there is life in the Omniverse, Death must be.

Originally posted by bigbran
They artistically drew them in the scan you used earlier...

Yea in the meeting with just the Abstracts, during the battle, there were scores of individual characters everywhere.

Come on, get real dogs,.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, he just blinks out?
Sounds weird...

You're saying he "blinks him out"

I'm saying Entropy's purpose is implode the Universe/Multiverse cyclically when it's time for it to die.

If this time has not arrived, Entropy does not manifest.

Originally posted by bigbran
So... what you're trying to say, is that:

Eternity, is actually a multiverse? So, what is the point of Multi-Eternity then?

Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, about that scan, he either just called it that, because of all the dimensions and stuff.
Or:
He actually found out that there was more than just a universe in existence.

Sorry duke,

that was the WRITER talking Not the Beyonder.

Originally posted by bigbran
Now, a multiverse actually has multiple universes, and in those universes, there are dimensions. So, that would mean, that every Eternity is actually a multiverse, following your theory.
Also, actual Multi-Eternity would encompass all of these so called "multiverses", so also based on your theory, Multi-Eternity would actually be an omni-verse, since everything woud be in it.

So, you can call the universe a multiverse, but the fact of the matter is, that an actual multiverse is bigger, and the multi-universe theory would still be the same.

So again... based on that scan, every "universe" is actually a "multiverse" (because every universe has these dimensions). It still doesn't change the feat affecting the universe.
If it is called a universe, then it is a universe. If it is called a multiverse, then it is a multiverse. Nothing more, nothing less.

Did this make any sense?

Eternity has about 1000 sayings that he is a universe, compared to every scan "supposedly" calling him a multiverse.

Again,

Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK then.

In the same page basically, he had just called it a multiverse.

What he more likely meant, was:

That out of all of Eternity, the Universe's (616) balance was being upset.
Either that, or it was a writer's error.

Funny, I swore the Multiverse was being collapse by Abraxas.

In Fact, it was Multi-Eternity that summoned Reed and Dr Druid to warn them about Abraxas.

So forget this 616 Talk, 616 was NOT mentioned.

What the Scan shows is that the Multiverse, is the Marvel Universe.

Had he mentioned the # 616, it'd be a different story.

Originally posted by bigbran
I wonder how many times it has been said that 616 is only a universe... compared to the times you use scans to say it is a multiverse...

Pay attention friend, I dislike replying to Posts that Twist my words.

I have NEVER said that the 616 Universe is a Multiverse.

Originally posted by bigbran
This one made me giggle...

This argument should have been shut down with the couple of universe scans, don't you think?
Not with your one scan of Beyonder finding something out.

I been laughing, so laugh it up.

The Scans you posted are talking about the Marvel Universe , which is a Multiverse, as I already Proved.

Originally posted by bigbran
I could question his authority, doesn't mean anything.

But, what you are forgetting, is that LT wasn't even a threat to him, so that would make anything null.

Also:

God.

God.

WHO else could Threaten his Reign in that One Universe?

WHO are the OTHERS that might be equally foolish?

Still waiting on a sensible opinion.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, but IG supposedly made you God.
The Hotu made you God.

All hyperbole to me.

firefirefireph

Originally posted by bigbran
You think God would have exhausted himself making a universe?

This is meaningless.

Originally posted by bigbran
The same scan played twice isn't going to make my opinion differ.

Don't sweat it, I'm understanding you more as we debate.

Originally posted by bigbran
Doesn't the offical bio of Phoenix say that she created Galactus? Didn't you argue against this?

Because it Never happened ON Panel.

Originally posted by bigbran
So now, you are telling me to accept bios or cry them a letter?
I have a Hypo, and his name is Crite.

lmfao

Merlyn trained Roma, and Merlyn is Roma's Father,

Merlyn ON Panel FAKED his Death (I Posted the scans) to enhance Roma's training amongst other reasons.

Merlyn (Roma's Father) FAKED his death On Panel,

so it's Not a stretch or just Bio talk.

5 Years later "Comic Book time" he resurfaced:

"His Death was merely a PLOY in a Cosmic Game"

During the Abraxas Arc, Roma was training Valeria, preparing her for the moment when she and Franklin were to resurrect Galactus.

How did Roma KNOW that moment would come, years before it happened?

Perhaps Roma FAKED her death to ensure Valeria's training, just like Merlyn did.

ADD that to the FOUR different Bios suggesting she FAKED her death,

including Marvel.com
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roma

And that's enough for me.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, this was never said on-panel, was it? It is just speculation to me, and it doesn't even straight forward follow what you are saying.
It gives two options.

Merlyn FAKED his death ON PANEL, and "Roma is no less devious" ...

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roma

nuff said.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, if you notice in my first post adressing the matter, I never said anything about Abraxas killing Roma, I said he "took" her out.
Which he did, whether she faked her death or not.

Like I said, multiversal, beating (notice beating, NOT killing) teh omniversal.

Again,

Roma might've let Abraxas do that, just to see how Valeria and the Heroes would handle Abraxas.

That's why Merlyn initially FAKED his death, to see how Roma would handle the last of Jaspers 616.

Jaspers 616 was a Chess piece in Merlyn's Chess board.

The Omniversal Guardian was manipulating everything.

It's not a stretch that Roma the following Celestial Guardian was playing the same tricks.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm sorry... WHAT?

What seems to me, is that they are just talking about different universes.
Alternate ones, like What-Ifs, and non-canon arcs, 616.

I don't even know, how this fits in here... or what you are trying to do with it.

READ it AGAIN duke,

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, and Thanos absorbed that, and he called it a UNIVERSE.

Right,

and it was the Marvel Universe ... which is a Multiverse!

Originally posted by bigbran
Either that is Multi-Eternity, or there is some massive hyperboles going on, or writer's errors.
I remember reading that comic.
I kind of knew that, that scan was going to be brought up.

Second time you use the "Writer's Error" excuse when you can't logically answer my post.

That isn't Multi-Eternity, Multi-Eternity did not exist then.

That's simply the Marvel Universe, which is the Prime Multiverse.

the 616 Universe or the 616 Reality is Eternity the Single Universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, basically, the same Eternity that has universes flowing through his fingertips, gets stood up to by Dr Strange?
I guess he isn't as powerful as I first thought... or, by some odd reason, a writer made a mistake...

Strange has NEVER done anything to Eternity.

Originally posted by bigbran
I am going to speculate right now, so...
Usually, when it is called a universe, that means just that. It is not like they can't just say multiverse.
A multiverse has a bunch of universes (or multiverses as you called them earlier) in them. Thanos took out one of those universes.

I know, it sounds crazy doesn't it, I mean, who would have thought that a universe actually meant "universe"?
I guess, that is why it is called speculation...

I never said a Multiverse has a bunch of Multiverses inside them,

nice try.

For the record AGAIN,

Eternity the 616 Reality/the 616 Universe is ONE Universe.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is a Multiverse.

Eternity the Marvel Universe is Multi-Eternity.

Originally posted by bigbran
One more for the road...

"Universe"

dots

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!

[B]"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE" [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
I figured I'd add this just to seal the coffin ...

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The [B]Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***

Is this just Dr Strange speculating?

I think not,

here it is On Panel,

Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"

Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it" [/B]

Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...

And Thanos never stopped

Read

"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....

"Nothing Remained"

SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"😉

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?" dontgetit

When you're able to address this, I'll proceed.

ANd after all this debating is done, Michael Still soundly trashes LT. Not only is mike more powerful, he is a warrior and the living power of God.

I think after the excellent evidence Bigbran was kind enough to post, it heavily substantiates that LT is less then universal, regardless of how much same may dislike it.

On panel > Speculation of a multiverse.

And even if it was a multiverse, then Multiverse > LT.

Regardless Michael > LT

Yep.

LT is less than universal.

Even with all the evidence saying otherwise.

You're a bright one.

LT has closed off universes before, ya know. He could give a crap about one universe. So, saying he's less than one doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yep.

LT is less than universal.

Even with all the evidence saying otherwise.

You're a bright one.

LT has closed off universes before, ya know. He could give a crap about one universe. So, saying he's less than one doesn't make sense.

Evidence showing other wise? You mean when he sealed Korvac? Whom he couldnt defeat?

LT may be the multiversal judge, but that does not mean his power is multiversal.

Shown on panel, the power of the HOTU which was limited to that of a universe, defeated him.

On panel > Speculation

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But fact is, the source is weaker than Yewhew, as the Presence.

Yewhew = God
The Source = The Holy Spirit

God >> Jesus > Holy Spirit > Saint Michael
That's the bible's hierarchy

Yewhew is weaker than the Presence and the One-Above-All

this is not about the bible

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

But then again "Physics and Logic" triumps Religion of any kind.
Si quis non amat Dominium lesum sit anathema maranatha. Amen.

Logic? answer this with logic: Can an omnipotent being create an object so heavy that the being itself cannot lift it?

Originally posted by Galan007
My point is that Vertigo does in fact have a Hell.

After Lucifer closed the gates to Hell, the keys were eventually given to 2 Angels whom re-opened the gates.

Sorry friend, but there is Hell in Vertigo.

which proves that vertigo is separate from DCU because the gates of hell in DCU were never closed and lucifer was not the guy in charge of it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...

And Thanos never stopped

[B]Read

"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....

"Nothing Remained"

SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"😉

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?" dontgetit

When you're able to address this, I'll proceed. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd after all this debating is done, Michael Still soundly trashes LT. Not only is mike more powerful, he is a warrior and the living power of God.

Oh God, can you shut up with you religious ranting please ? This isn't about religion, on panel feats and heirarchy show LT is above Micheal, get over it already

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh God, can you shut up with you religious ranting please ? This isn't about religion, on panel feats and heirarchy show LT is above Micheal, get over it already

YOu are such an idiot. Where in the F U C K do you see a religious ranting you idiot. ON panel, Michael was able to soundy beat a fully powered spectre. And outright spared the spectre's very existance. He is also the power of God. Now get a damn life you loser. I dont' see you going around saying others are religiously ranting when they say that the LT is God's judge, or the spectre is God's wrath, or The Heart of the Universe is God's power. Get lost. Your obviously just another lame who is trying to get cool points by attacking Nvr. Well Nvr has had enough!!!

Why is Nvr talking like Doom?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh God, can you shut up with you religious ranting please ? This isn't about religion, on panel feats and heirarchy show LT is above Micheal, get over it already

i agree

Originally posted by guy222
i agree

LOL panel, Michael beat a fully powered spectre and out right spared the Spectre's very existance. he could have utterly destroyed Spectre. Michael just also happens to be the power of God. We already know that fully powered spectre equals the LT and that THe LT has a little problem with things like the power of God. Heart of the Infinite anyone? LT loses. He isn't even a warrior like the spectre. At least the spectre can throw down.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL panel, Michael beat a fully powered spectre and out right spared the Spectre's very existance. he could have utterly destroyed Spectre. Michael just also happens to be the power of God. We already know that fully powered spectre equals the LT and that THe LT has a little problem with things like the power of God. Heart of the Infinite anyone? LT loses. He isn't even a warrior like the spectre. At least the spectre can throw down.

I have stated before, the Heart of the Infinite doesn't exist. Living Tribunal always will. Spectre=Living Tribunal. I have told u, I respect your opinion. If u believe Michael is better, cool. In my opinion, the thread has gone way too long. It was God's way of humbling Thanos. Ask yourself, why would God humble his trusted servant. He wouldn't.

Spectre is second to the Presence. He can throw down. He was paired with LT for a reason. Living Tribunal=Spectre.

Originally posted by guy222
I have stated before, the Heart of the Infinite doesn't exist. Living Tribunal always will. Spectre=Living Tribunal. I have told u, I respect your opinion. If u believe Michael is better, cool. In my opinion, the thread has gone way too long. It was God's way of humbling Thanos. Ask yourself, why would God humble his trusted servant. He wouldn't.

Spectre is second to the Presence. He can throw down. He was paired with LT for a reason. Living Tribunal=Spectre.

Actually IN DC, Michael, the source, and Even Sometimes mr mxy, have shown to be superior. And yes Spectre is equal to the LT but that does not mean if The LT were in DC he would be 2nd to the presence.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL panel, Michael beat a fully powered spectre and out right spared the Spectre's very existance. he could have utterly destroyed Spectre. Michael just also happens to be the power of God. We already know that fully powered spectre equals the LT and that THe LT has a little problem with things like the power of God. Heart of the Infinite anyone? LT loses. He isn't even a warrior like the spectre. At least the spectre can throw down.