Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
TOAA = Marvel staff
Which means LT is supremePresence =/= DC staff
Presence supreme in DCSpectre merged with the Presence = Living Tribunal
I do not believe so, the Spectre has shown on panel that it is beyond multiversal at times, when it fought the Anti-Monitor at the peak of its power.
The Spectre fluxuates from street level to multiversal, the LT is static at Universal, going by the evidence provided.
The Lt on the other hand as you have already said, has shown (evidence heavily substantiates to this) that it is universal in power.
Universal power>LT
Spectre (when backed enough) > Multiversal (Anti-Monitor)
Originally posted by Board WalkerBecause both me and you have gotten different perspectives on things?
I completely agree with everything said hereStrange, now a days we agree much more on views, yet in the past we were against one another almost always.
I have learned to accept what is right and wrong, and not give a shit if I am wrong or right.
Although, I have always thought of both brothers more powerful than LT, even when I first joined...
I was also pondering the same thing.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I do not believe so, the Spectre has shown on panel that it is beyond multiversal at times, when it fought the Anti-Monitor at the peak of its power.The Spectre fluxuates from street level to multiversal, the LT is static at Universal, going by the evidence provided.
The Lt on the other hand as you have already said, has shown (evidence heavily substantiates to this) that it is universal in power.
Universal power>LT
Spectre (when backed enough) > Multiversal (Anti-Monitor)
Who runs DC's Multiverse?
Originally posted by guy222
Who runs DC's Multiverse?
Kismet is the guardian of DC's multiverses. ION was at one point more powerful than the multiverse. There is a guardian of the other multiverse who is over Hypertime. Then there are several guardians in vertigo. Tho I think Elaine is the supreme ruler over there. The Spectre controls the infinite over lapping realities of all of DC I believe.Metron has in his possesion the Worlogog and Grandmother box which both are over multiverses and realities as well.
Originally posted by bigbran
Hope this answers your question.There is no time and space. There is nothing. That is what nothing looks like, and the same thing would happen to a multiverse, or a universe, or an omniverse... except... we have several confirmations (two on the scan I just showed, way more other places... I can actually give you about five or more on-panel evidences of it being a universe) that it was indeed a universe.
No it does not.
Originally posted by bigbran
Warlock was inside Atleza'a domain too when this ocurred. If Thanos had actually erased everything, then he would have ht Atleza's realm. Did Warlock get erased? Does this not answer your question?
I never said Warlock erased everything,
so again, this doesn't answer anything either.
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, we have never been inside "nothing" really before. So how can you say it was more than a universe?So, as it turns out, it was a universe... nothing more, nothing less. Just because nothing remained, doesn't mean squat... actually, it means just that:
NOTHING!
I disagree.
Originally posted by bigbran
To teh questions:God.
God.
If he just beat LT on-panel, then by all means, who else could threaten his reign?
Yes, single universe.
I think not.
Thanos felt threatened AFTER he absorbed LT, Eternity and Infinity and ALL the Heroes and Gods and Cosmics of Marvel 616.
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me ... might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
WHAT OTHERS in this ONE Universe? 😆
He Absobed ALL the possiblilites of a Threat in this One Universe.
BUT Thanos said I, "Continued to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...
The ONLY OTHER possible Threats are those of the Multiverse, which emcopasses the Prime Marvel Universe.
Where there are OTHER Eternitys and Infinitys and Cosmics, gods, and Heroes.
Hence all the "Universe" referrences.
Originally posted by bigbran
As it turns out, one of (if not) the most powerful beings in Marvel, was only universal... more proof that being multiversal means shit.
This was a special case,
First time anyone acquired the power of the Almighty,
so it does mean shit
Originally posted by Mr Master
No it does not.I never said Warlock erased everything,
so again, this doesn't answer anything either.
I disagree.
I think not.
Thanos felt threatened AFTER he absorbed LT, Eternity and Infinity and ALL the Heroes and Gods and Cosmics of Marvel 616.
[B]"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me ... might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
WHAT OTHERS in this ONE Universe? 😆
He Absobed ALL the possiblilites of a Threat in this One Universe.
BUT Thanos said I, "Continued to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...
The ONLY OTHER possible Threats are those of the Multiverse, which emcopasses the Prime Marvel Universe.
Where there are OTHER Eternitys and Infinitys and Cosmics, gods, and Heroes.
Hence all the "Universe" referrences.
This was a special case,
First time anyone acquired the power of the Almighty,
so it does mean shit [/B]
I can see what bigbran is saying and I do agree with him.
what thanos is speaking of, "if this band could defy me, what of others?" He is refering to the other universes, now this is speculation, just as everything you are saying is speculation.
But the scans and evidence heavily substantiate that it was a universe and the other spheres he saw which were just like him, where universes as well.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThere is nothing. Nothing, no time and space.
No it does not.
Originally posted by Mr MasterIf you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?
I never said Warlock erased everything,so again, this doesn't answer anything either.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhy?
I disagree.
Originally posted by Mr MasterUmm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
I think not.Thanos felt threatened AFTER he absorbed LT, Eternity and Infinity and ALL the Heroes and Gods and Cosmics of Marvel 616.
[B]"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me ... might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
WHAT OTHERS in this ONE Universe? 😆
He Absobed ALL the possiblilites of a Threat in this One Universe.
BUT Thanos said I, "Contibued to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...
The ONLY OTHER possible Threats are those of the Multiverse, which emcopasses the Prime Marvel Universe.
Where there are OTHER Eternitys and Infinitys and Cosmics, gods, and Heroes.
Hence all the "Universe" referrences.[/B]
OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.
1:
Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...
That is only looking through two comics, and a page...
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhat about IG, what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.
This was a special case,First time anyone acquired the power of the Almighty,
so it does mean shit
What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?
Originally posted by bigbran
There is nothing. Nothing, no time and space.If you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?
Why?
Umm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
What about the pocket universes? What about Mephisto's realm? What about Phoenix? What about Aunt May? What about other planets? What about Oblivion? What about the stars? What about the black holes? What about all of the Celestials? What about Entropy?
What about the little people?
The remark was more than likely said about that, other than the multiverse.OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.
1:Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...
That is only looking through two comics, and a page...
What about IG, what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.
What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?
Extremely well put
Originally posted by bigbran
If you were arguing against him ONLY absorbing a MULTIVERSE, then what is that you didn't say he absorbed?
He didn't absorb anything outside the Prime Marvel Universe which is a Multiverse.
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... because he didn't absorb everything that pertained to that universe?
Oh that's right, Eternity is just another character.
Originally posted by bigbran
What about the pocket universes?
Eternity is gone, the embodiment of the Universe, which Universe is he representing exactly?
Originally posted by bigbran
What about Mephisto's realm?
Mephisto got Absorbed with the rest of the pack.
Originally posted by bigbran
What about Phoenix?
When is Phoenix ever around during All out Cosmic events?
hum
Originally posted by bigbran
What about Aunt May?
What about other planets?
😂
Eternity/Infinity were Absorbed, other Planets should concern him.
Originally posted by bigbran
What about Oblivion?
What about him?
He was probably dancing in the darkness.
Oblivion is untouchable.
Originally posted by bigbran
What about the stars? What about the black holes?
Atleast you have a sense of humor.
Originally posted by bigbran
What about all of the Celestials?
The Entire Race was Absorbed along with Mephisto
Originally posted by bigbran
What about Entropy?
What about him?
Thanos didn't allow his Concept to exercise it's Purpose, (to End the Universe)
Thanos did that, remember?
Originally posted by bigbran
What about the little people?The remark was more than likely said about that, other than the multiverse.
Apparently Not,
but the "little people" nearly swayed my opinion.
Originally posted by bigbran
OK, evidence?
No bios that you unquestionably hate, just pure, on-panel showings. Times they mentioned things about universes, or absorbing them.Usually when it is said NINE times... compared to your one speculation...
That is only looking through two comics, and a page...
Still the same,
Here MULTI-verse is called Eternity & the Universe on the SAME splash Page:
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a Boundless Universe, a MULTI-Eternity would ensure a Boundless MULTI-verse"
RIGHT Side Splash:
"Within All Eternity, the UNIVERSE is a place"
SAME ARC:
This is how we know it was MULTI-Eternity they were talking about:
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"
Originally posted by bigbran
What about IG,
What about the IG, the Tribunal Judgement has not been changed, the IG can not be formed in the Prime Marvel Universe.
Originally posted by bigbran
what about the Cube? Because I know that on-panel, both have been said to make him God.
That was an UN-Evolved Cosmic Containment Unit, and Not even 30 of them can match the IG, so imagine the "Heart" ...
Originally posted by bigbran
What about teh multiversal Abraxas taking out teh omniversal Roma?
The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 and 2005 both suggest Roma FAKED her death.
Originally posted by Mr Master
He didn't absorb anything outside the Prime Marvel Universe which is a Multiverse.Oh that's right, Eternity is just another character.
Eternity is gone, the embodiment of the Universe, which Universe is he representing exactly?
Mephisto got Absorbed with the rest of the pack.
When is Phoenix ever around during All out Cosmic events?
hum
😂
Eternity/Infinity were Absorbed, other Planets should concern him.
What about him?
He was probably dancing in the darkness.
Oblivion is untouchable.
Atleast you have a sense of humor.
The Entire Race was Absorbed along with Mephisto
What about him?
Thanos didn't allow his Concept to exercise it's Purpose, (to End the Universe)
Thanos did that, remember?
Apparently Not,
but the "little people" nearly swayed my opinion.
Still the same,
Here MULTI-verse is called Eternity & the Universe on the SAME splash Page:
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a Boundless Universe, a MULTI-Eternity would ensure a Boundless MULTI-verse"RIGHT Side Splash:
"Within All Eternity, the UNIVERSE is a place"SAME ARC:
This is how we know it was MULTI-Eternity they were talking about:
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"What about the IG, the Tribunal Judgement has not been changed, the IG can not be formed in the Prime Marvel Universe.
That was an UN-Evolved Cosmic Containment Unit, and Not even 30 of them can match the IG, so imagine the "Heart" ...
The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 and 2005 both suggest Roma FAKED her death.
Your using...a hand book...I don't know what to say...
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd, you judge this off of chessboards right?
He didn't absorb anything outside the Prime Marvel Universe which is a Multiverse.
Also, what issue was this "chess" being played in?
Originally posted by Mr MasterI don't know, probably the universe that Thanos only absorbed in the comic...
Oh that's right, Eternity is just another character.Eternity is gone, the embodiment of the Universe, which Universe is he representing exactly?
Also...
Eternity is being manipulated around, and yet nothing is happening to the background.
Teh background after Eternity is gone.
Ya, I didn't notice much difference either.
Originally posted by Mr MasterHow did he get absorbed, when that was a meeting?
Mephisto got Absorbed with the rest of the pack.
Also, I just just naming off random characters.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNever, but teh Jeanix was in the comic run...
When is Phoenix ever around during All out Cosmic events?hum
Originally posted by Mr MasterAgain, just random things/characters.
😂Eternity/Infinity were Absorbed, other Planets should concern him.
Also, what exactly does Infinity represent, that would affect planets being there?
Originally posted by Mr MasterGee... you think that GOD would have felt him in the area?
What about him?He was probably dancing in the darkness.
Oblivion is untouchable.
Originally posted by Mr MasterQuite.
Atleast you have a sense of humor.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Entire Race was Absorbed along with Mephisto
They were there, but it still doesn't mean that everyone was there.
Also, that was just a meeting.
I saw 4 Celestials in the confrontation.
It could have actually just been 3 or 2 too.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo, what you're saying, is that Entropy just disappears right after the universe dies?
What about him?Thanos didn't allow his Concept to exercise it's Purpose, (to End the Universe)
Thanos did that, remember?
Originally posted by Mr MasterNearly.
Apparently Not,but the "little people" nearly swayed my opinion.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd... I see NO mention of a multiverse in the entire HOTU arc.
Still the same,Here MULTI-verse is called Eternity & the Universe on the SAME splash Page:
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a Boundless Universe, a MULTI-Eternity would ensure a Boundless MULTI-verse"
Why would you bring these up?
Boundless universe, and it still got absorbed, still means nothing.
Originally posted by Mr MasterJust like my room is a place in my house.
RIGHT Side Splash:"Within All Eternity, the UNIVERSE is a place"
Originally posted by Mr MasterNow, find me Multi-Eternity anywhere in the entire HOTU run.
SAME ARC:This is how we know it was MULTI-Eternity they were talking about:
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"
Oh ya... another universe claim.
Even before he had the power, he was aware of the universal destroying power.
Teh entire UNIVERSE is rallying against him!
So... I don't get why I am even arguing right now... I could probably bring out a couple more scans in which it says universe.
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut, it was supposed to be God's power!
What about the IG, the Tribunal Judgement has not been changed, the IG can not be formed in the Prime Marvel Universe.
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut, you said it was the first time.
That was an UN-Evolved Cosmic Containment Unit, and Not even 30 of them can match the IG, so imagine the "Heart" ...
My point is, that just because it was said to be God's power, doesn't make it so.
Cube was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
IG was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
No, and why should the Heart be any different?
Originally posted by Mr MasterSuggest?
The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 and 2005 both suggest Roma FAKED her death.(excerpt from Abraxas bio 2006)
(excerpt from Roma bio 2005)
Teh bios don't even straight forward support it, just "speculate" it.
Originally posted by bigbran
And, you judge this off of chessboards right?
Look Britain just destroyed a multiverse!Also, what issue was this "chess" being played in?
I don't know, probably the universe that Thanos only absorbed in the comic...
Also...
Eternity is being manipulated around, and yet nothing is happening to the background.Teh background after Eternity is gone.
Ya, I didn't notice much difference either.
How did he get absorbed, when that was a meeting?
Also, I just just naming off random characters.
Never, but teh Jeanix was in the comic run...
Again, just random things/characters.
Also, what exactly does Infinity represent, that would affect planets being there?
Gee... you think that GOD would have felt him in the area?
Quite.
I was just saying that the Heart didn't beat everyone in the universe.
They were there, but it still doesn't mean that everyone was there.
Also, that was just a meeting.
I saw 4 Celestials in the confrontation.
It could have actually just been 3 or 2 too.So, what you're saying, is that Entropy just disappears right after the universe dies?
Nearly.
And... I see NO mention of a multiverse in the entire HOTU arc.
Why would you bring these up?
Boundless universe, and it still got absorbed, still means nothing.
Just like my room is a place in my house.
Point?Now, find me Multi-Eternity anywhere in the entire HOTU run.
Oh ya... another universe claim.
Even before he had the power, he was aware of the universal destroying power.
Teh entire UNIVERSE is rallying against him!
So... I don't get why I am even arguing right now... I could probably bring out a couple more scans in which it says universe.
But, it was supposed to be God's power!
But, you said it was the first time.
My point is, that just because it was said to be God's power, doesn't make it so.
Cube was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
IG was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?No, and why should the Heart be any different?
Suggest?
The first one also says that she could have been resurrected...Teh bios don't even straight forward support it, just "speculate" it.
Nicely put
