THe LT vs. Micheal the Arc Angel

Originally posted by bigbran
And, you judge this off of chessboards right?

Look Britain just destroyed a multiverse!

Also, what issue was this "chess" being played in?

I have no idea how your fitting this into this debate.

dontgetit

I haven't mentioned Chessboards in this entire thread, you must have an itch and looking for it to get scratched.

Stick to the debate duke.

Originally posted by bigbran
I don't know, probably the universe that Thanos only absorbed in the comic...

Also...
Eternity is being manipulated around, and yet nothing is happening to the background.

Oh, look, at teh background.

Eternity wasn't Absorbed/Erased in these Two Scans.

Try again.

Originally posted by bigbran
Teh background.

Teh background after Eternity is gone.

Ya, I didn't notice much difference either.

Ya,

I noticed Thanos saying,

Read

"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....

"Nothing Remained"

See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, WHERE is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed the embodiment of Space and Time?

Better yet, (AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal and Eternity and Infinity)

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?" dontgetit

Ya that.

Originally posted by bigbran
How did he get absorbed, when that was a meeting?

Also, I just just naming off random characters.

Of course, 😏

be thorough though, since you're accusing Others of being "Liars" for posting what YOU feel is inaccurate information.

Originally posted by bigbran
Never, but teh Jeanix was in the comic run...

😂

Originally posted by bigbran
Again, just random things/characters.

Also, what exactly does Infinity represent, that would affect planets being there?

Again,

be thorough, if you're going to make accusations based on claims in Others' Posts.

Originally posted by bigbran
Gee... you think that GOD would have felt him in the area?

Oblivion is the embodiment of Nothingness,

the darkness was Oblivion.

Originally posted by bigbran
I was just saying that the Heart didn't beat everyone in the universe.

Everyone of significance was there,

to say that Thanos was Threatened by Anything else in that ONE Universe is ridiculous.

I shut down all the possible Threats you attempted to name from One Universe.

Sorry duke,

Ya, it had to be "OTHERS" from OTHER Universes, OTHER Universal embodiments, and on and on that Thanos Felt Threatened by.

Not the Shiar or Kree Empire

Or Stars and Planets as you suggested earlier.

Originally posted by bigbran
They were there, but it still doesn't mean that everyone was there.
Also, that was just a meeting.
I saw 4 Celestials in the confrontation.
It could have actually just been 3 or 2 too.

Could of, would of, should of,

the bottom line is the Entire Race of Celestials WAS THERE, with ALL the other Artwork that needed to be included, you really think they're gonna draw Thousands of Celestials? nup

Originally posted by bigbran
So, what you're saying, is that Entropy just disappears right after the universe dies?

Well if there's no Universe, or Multiverse, how can Entropy perform his purpose/duty?

Originally posted by bigbran
And... I see NO mention of a multiverse in the entire HOTU arc.

Why would you bring these up?

Boundless universe, and it still got absorbed, still means nothing.

And what you're saying means nothing too duke.

The Beyonder discovers the Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

yawn

Originally posted by bigbran
Just like my room is a place in my house.
Point?

Actually, you missed the point completely.

Originally posted by bigbran
Now, find me Multi-Eternity anywhere in the entire HOTU run.

Oh ya... another universe claim.

So... I don't get why I am even arguing right now... I could probably bring out a couple more scans in which it says universe.

I already shut this down with the Beyonder Scan.

You're still arguing cause for the life of you, you can't figure out,

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?"

hum

Originally posted by bigbran
But, it was supposed to be God's power!

the IG makes you A "God" ...

TOAA is ABOVE "Gods"

Originally posted by bigbran
But, you said it was the first time.

My point is, that just because it was said to be God's power, doesn't make it so.
Cube was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?
IG was supposed to make Thanos God... was he?

No, and why should the Heart be any different?

Again,

sometimes it take two, three times, but it'll sink.

TOAA is ABOVE "Gods"

Originally posted by bigbran
Suggest?
The first one also says that she could have been resurrected...

Teh bios don't even straight forward support it, just "speculate" it.

It's Merlyn's and Roma's history,

"Merlyn sees ALL existence as a Series of Endless Chess Games for Omniversal SURVIVAL" (addresses your Chessboard confusion)

"Though more compassionate than her Sire (Merlyn) Roma PROVED no less Manipulative"

Both Bios from the Official Marvel Handbook,

you don't like it,

cry them a letter.

I figured I'd add this just to seal the coffin ...

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***

Is this just Dr Strange speculating?

I think not,

here it is On Panel,

Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"

Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it"

Originally posted by Mr Master
I figured I'd add this just to seal the coffin ...

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The [B]Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***

Is this just Dr Strange speculating?

I think not,

here it is On Panel,

Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"

Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it" [/B]

Mr. M, do u think Eternity is second to Living Tribunal. Power wise.

Hey, Mr. M, as much as I love reading your posts, I can sum it up in one sentence:

HOTU makes you Stan Lee.

/discussion.

😛

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u think Eternity is second to Living Tribunal. Power wise.

No.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Hey, Mr. M, as much as I love reading your posts, I can sum it up in one sentence:

HOTU makes you Stan Lee.

/discussion.

😛

I agree 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
No.

Who is the second most powerful being in Marvel?

Originally posted by guy222
Who is the second most powerful being in Marvel?

Exactly?

Can't say.

These come to mind, in no particular order.

(excluding THOTI)

Post-retcon Brothers

Captain Britain with the Sword of Might (Excalibur) and the Amulet of Right

Jaspers 616

HOM Meggan

HOM Wanda

Infinity Gauntlet (wielded properly)

Merlyn empowered by the Energy Matrix

Havok after becoming One with the Nexus of Realities

Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly?

Can't say.

These come to mind, in no particular order.

(excluding THOTI)

Post-retcon Brothers

Captain Britain with the Sword of Might (Excalibur) and the Amulet of Right

Jaspers 616

HOM Meggan

HOM Wanda

Infinity Gauntlet (wielded properly)

Merlyn empowered by the Energy Matrix

Havok after becoming One with the Nexus of Realities

Sounds fair. Where would u place The Phoenix Force? Thanks for the tip

Originally posted by bigbran
Multi-verses, multi-verse, doesn't matter... even though, I am almost certain that there are no "multiverseS"...
Based on a statement that was made about him, and there being more chessboards? I really have never heard of LT guarding the Omni-verse though (comics, ya know). Ya... really.

I do agree though... because DC DOESN'T have cosmics like Marvel.

What is Lucifer/Micheal? Not f*cking cosmic.
What is Spectre? Not f*cking cosmic.

Whatever... so what you would be saying is that, Marvel>>etc, DC, basically? Meh, whatever, doesn't matter really, because it still has nothing to do with LT's power. Based on your arguement, or where you are getting it from:

I>>>>>>A wild Tiger, because I am watching/guarding it?

Also, yes, whatever, LT is above single BEINGS below TOAA. But, what happened when Thanos gained HOTU?
...
Wait, why didn't LT stop Thanos from gaining the HOTU? LT should be able to see, and stop this, since he is obviously>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omni-Verse, shouldn't he have? You also can't pull the "Manipulated by God" card either, since LT attacked him.
So what? What exactly happened?

Also... Heaven>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvel Multi-Verse, and what does Micheal guard (In DC)?

Also, before I get the DC lover attack... it should be known that Marvel is my favorite company.

I wonder if any of this made any sense...

LOL 😆 . how could a DC/MARVEL lover make any attack on such a double edged statement? 😂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
KMC alreadly has a philosiphy forum . . .

Thanks for the information; perhaps that will be my new forum home. However, philosophy is involved with much of everything, including comics and especially with such abstract cosmic beings. My points are still valid.

Here's another one. If each argument or opinion can only be placed within one forum, what of the subjects that have multiple points from multiple fields? Would you place that in just one of the forums with an arbitrary choice, or both? Perhaps neither, and stifle your thinking?

😐

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have no idea how your fitting this into this debate.

dontgetit

I haven't mentioned Chessboards in this entire thread, you must have an itch and looking for it to get scratched.

Stick to the debate duke.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity wasn't Absorbed/Erased in these Two Scans.

Try again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ya,

I noticed Thanos saying,

[B]Read

"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"

"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"

"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....

"Nothing Remained"

See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, WHERE is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed the embodiment of Space and Time?

Better yet, (AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal and Eternity and Infinity)

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?" dontgetit

Ya that.[/B]

I thought you, out of anyone, wouldn't go against teh proof when it is right there in front of you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course, 😏

be thorough though, since you're accusing Others of being "Liars" for posting what YOU feel is inaccurate information.

Everything else, is basically a different debate (since it is being dragged away from a mini comic worth of proof that it was a universe).

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

be thorough, if you're going to make accusations based on claims in Others' Posts.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Oblivion is the embodiment of Nothingness,

the darkness was Oblivion.

Thanos said that the people he had just killed had went to Oblivion. So... LT and Eternity were actually in the same place as Thanos?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everyone of significance was there,

to say that Thanos was Threatened by Anything else in that ONE Universe is ridiculous.
absorbed a universe. Are you saying that Thanos was lying about the universe, but the speech where it is all speculation is acceptable?
I shut down all the possible Threats you attempted to name from One Universe.

T'was Thanos talking is all, and t'was also Thanos/others saying numerous times that he had only taken out a universe.
I guess Thanos/others is lying about him absorbing a universe (a couple times), and we should take the speculation as solid proof...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sorry duke,

Ya, it had to be "OTHERS" from OTHER Universes, OTHER Universal embodiments, and on and on that Thanos Felt Threatened by.

Not the Shiar or Kree Empire

Or Stars and Planets as you suggested earlier.

"IT HAD to be..."
You almost have to be joking with this one...

Also, you expect me to believe that Thanos couldn't even absorb universal Death (I know what happened, so don't point it out...), but yet, he can successfully absorb the rest of the multiverse?
I guess it sounds fair...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Could of, would of, should of,

the bottom line is the Entire Race of Celestials WAS THERE, with ALL the other Artwork that needed to be included, you really think they're gonna draw Thousands of Celestials? nup

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well if there's no Universe, or Multiverse, how can Entropy perform his purpose/duty?

Originally posted by Mr Master
And what you're saying means nothing too duke.

The Beyonder discovers the Prime Marvel Universe is a Multiverse!

[B]"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

yawn[/B]

Eternity, is actually a multiverse? So, what is the point of Multi-Eternity then?

Also, about that scan, he either just called it that, because of all the dimensions and stuff.
Or:
He actually found out that there was more than just a universe in existence.

Now, a multiverse actually has multiple universes, and in those universes, there are dimensions. So, that would mean, that every Eternity is actually a multiverse, following your theory.
Also, actual Multi-Eternity would encompass all of these so called "multiverses", so also based on your theory, Multi-Eternity would actually be an omni-verse, since everything woud be in it.

So, you can call the universe a multiverse, but the fact of the matter is, that an actual multiverse is bigger, and the multi-universe theory would still be the same.

So again... based on that scan, every "universe" is actually a "multiverse" (because every universe has these dimensions). It still doesn't change the feat affecting the universe.
If it is called a universe, then it is a universe. If it is called a multiverse, then it is a multiverse. Nothing more, nothing less.

Did this make any sense?

Eternity has about 1000 sayings that he is a universe, compared to every scan "supposedly" calling him a multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, you missed the point completely.

In the same page basically, he had just called it a multiverse.

What he more likely meant, was:

That out of all of Eternity, the Universe's (616) balance was being upset.
Either that, or it was a writer's error.

I wonder how many times it has been said that 616 is only a universe... compared to the times you use scans to say it is a multiverse...

Originally posted by Mr Master
I already shut this down with the Beyonder Scan.

You're still arguing cause for the life of you, you can't figure out,

This argument should have been shut down with the couple of universe scans, don't you think?
Not with your one scan of Beyonder finding something out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?

In this "Single Universe?"

hum [/B]

But, what you are forgetting, is that LT wasn't even a threat to him, so that would make anything null.

Also:

God.

God.

Originally posted by Mr Master
the IG makes you A "God" ...

TOAA is ABOVE "Gods"

All hyperbole to me.

You think God would have exhausted himself making a universe?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

sometimes it take two, three times, but it'll sink.

TOAA is ABOVE "Gods"

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's Merlyn's and Roma's history,

"Merlyn sees ALL existence as a Series of Endless Chess Games for Omniversal SURVIVAL" (addresses your Chessboard confusion)

"Though more compassionate than her Sire (Merlyn) Roma PROVED no less Manipulative"

Both Bios from the Official Marvel Handbook,

you don't like it,

cry them a letter.

Doesn't the offical bio of Phoenix say that she created Galactus? Didn't you argue against this?
So now, you are telling me to accept bios or cry them a letter?
I have a Hypo, and his name is Crite.

Also, this was never said on-panel, was it? It is just speculation to me, and it doesn't even straight forward follow what you are saying.
It gives two options.

Also, if you notice in my first post adressing the matter, I never said anything about Abraxas killing Roma, I said he "took" her out.
Which he did, whether she faked her death or not.

Like I said, multiversal, beating (notice beating, NOT killing) teh omniversal.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I figured I'd add this just to seal the coffin ...

The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The [B]Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***[/B]

What seems to me, is that they are just talking about different universes.
Alternate ones, like What-Ifs, and non-canon arcs, 616.

I don't even know, how this fits in here... or what you are trying to do with it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is this just Dr Strange speculating?

I think not,

here it is [B]On Panel,

Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"
[/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it" [/B]

So, basically, the same Eternity that has universes flowing through his fingertips, gets stood up to by Dr Strange?
I guess he isn't as powerful as I first thought... or, by some odd reason, a writer made a mistake...

I am going to speculate right now, so...
Usually, when it is called a universe, that means just that. It is not like they can't just say multiverse.
A multiverse has a bunch of universes (or multiverses as you called them earlier) in them. Thanos took out one of those universes.

I know, it sounds crazy doesn't it, I mean, who would have thought that a universe actually meant "universe"?
I guess, that is why it is called speculation...

One more for the road...

"Universe"

Originally posted by bloodoverme
LOL 😆 . how could a DC/MARVEL lover make any attack on such a double edged statement? 😂

😂

😆

hysterical

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