Originally posted by King Kandy
Nvr... Are you five or something? You always declare yourself the victor no matter how badly you get owned in a debate... Like the darkseid thread...Darthgoober pwned you, and all you said was that he's wrong, you're right, The multiverse wasn't split, blah blah blah.
He offered many scans. You offered none. Then you had the gall to say that the majority of people agreed with you... Despite the fact that only one person believed you, and he was an uninformed nobody.
You couldn't even tell us WHEN it had been "Retconned". Or the Issue number. Or even the title. You just sayed you were right. that's how you opperate. You ignore logic, get owned, declare that the opossition is biased, start making shit up, then say the majority supports you.
You're just some pathetic little nobody. KMC's a pretty nice board. Other places you'd probably be eatin alive and banned for your stupidity. Seasoned debators have destroyed your arguments, blasted down your speculation, and thoughroly defeated your laughable claims.
You seem to feel as if you've got some invisible "Intellectuals" as your supportersw, and base your claims as such. I could pull up a dozen quotes where you say things such as "All the marvel fanboys have are a bunch of stupid kids, intellectuals all believe me". You are dilusional. Please, leave the board and go hide under a rock somewhere. In terms of intelligence, you'd fit right in.
You've been beatin by Masterbruce. MASTERBRUCE! the guy who says that Magneto can beat Galactus and Superman Prime is THOTU level. You aspire to be like the DC version of Mistermaster. Your more like the DC wolvertooth. You are a sad, sad little man. There's a reason people call you nvrhadaclue. Because you never had a clue. You probably live in your mothers basement.
Your claims are baselss, your bravado distasteful, and your brainpower infintismel. You are worse then Ext@nt. You're more annoying then The_Judge. You're less intelligent then the bear family. You're more bigoted then Wolvertooth. As a whole, you're woprse then all these guys put together.
I think most of the forum seconds this message. King Kandy, over and out.
I'm speechless ...
notworthy
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
We need to make a Marvel - DC counterpart list, Galant777 would probably be the best one that could start it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We already tried that and King Kandy ****ed that one up to. I already did a DC cosmic hierachy. No one looked at it. and Marvel has some cosmics dc has no counter part for and vice versa.
I did next to nothing in that thread. I was quite civil. plus, I only posted like four sentences, which were towards the begining and weren't spam or flame or anything of the sort.
Ok.
After reading the thread, and trying to filter out all the pointless beef, I'd have to say that this fight is more than likely a draw. No solid evidence pointing to a definitive outcome has or will be provided by either side (which only seems reasonable concidering the characters involved).
The argument against LT is hollow whereas his opponents are trying to use an instance where a power source provided by "God" (TOAA), the "HOTU", was given to and used by Thanos for the purpose of destroying and re-creating a "universe", or "multiverse" (depending on your interpretation and how much merit you give to bios). If you don't have an agenda, logic would tell you that a power provided by a supreme being with the sole purpose of purging and recreating creation, regardless of who is wielding it, be it Thanos or Green Arrow, is going to fulfill it's purpose and usurp LT's jurisdiction. Also, if, as the LT opposition is stating, this only took place in one universe, it has been stated on panel and numerous other places that the LT exists in it's entirety outside of the multiverse and manifests itself in reality via M-Bodies. LT could have been in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU and countless other universes simultaneously, it just so happens that in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU, under the assumption it was only that one particular universe the HOTU held dominion, LT's manifestation was usurped by it's power. It doesn't mean that the LT, using the reasoning that the HOTU was only one universe, was defeated in his totality. Using Mr. Master's reasoning (HOTU is multiversal), it still does not mean LT was defeated in his totality, because which multiverse it has dominion over is not specified, and there are multiple multiverses which LT protects. Thanos's own words of continuing to absorb after the universe in which he was located was gone would allude to the fact that Mr. Master is correct, but it doesn't prove he is correct.
Also, the "Korvac" debacle was brought up as a means of demeaning LT's stature, but upon close analysis of that instance, that's also a non feat due to LT never applying his power directly upon Korvac. He arrived, judged, enacted a supernova with the intent of the resultant explosion killing Korvac, but Korvac was able to survive the supernova, so inexplicably, LT deemed it necessary to "cut and run" and just seal off the universe and be done with it.
I've really seen no argument as to how LT actually defeats Michael either. The argument for Michael defeating LT is based on the assumption that due to LT and Spectre being portrayed as equals or peers, and Michael's on panel portrayal of backhanding the Spectre away from the gates of heaven, it could be assumed that if Spectre=LT, and Michael>Spectre, then Michael>Spectre=LT, So Michael wins, which is flawed. That's the equivalent of me saying [American Football Analogy]:
"Well, the Raiders beat the Steelers, and the Steelers are Super Bowl Champions, just as the Colts are, so the Raiders must be able to beat the Colts because the Colts are Super Bowl winners just like the Steelers. Raiders>Steelers, Steelers '06=Colts '07. Raiders>Steelers '06=Colts 07."
This argument (for Michael, not the Raiders), as presented in this thread, does not hold up upon further analysis. No feats of Michael were provided that portray him able to defeat LT. All that was shown was Michael barring Spectre from Heaven because it's Michael's duty to protect Heaven and Spectre didn't belong and was barred from Heaven. It says as much in the scan. Had the situation been something like God commissioning Spectre to kill Michael and then Michael lays the smack down on him, thereby opposing the will of the Presence and Spectre's purpose, I'd stand and applaud and give Michael the nod. That has not been provided or portrayed.
Until evidence is provided, and not just circular logic, juvenile insults, and debating characters and objects that aren't even players in this fight, this is, and more than likely will remain, a draw, and a pointless fight.
I'm taking no sides. Neither side in this argument has proven anything about the actual characters involved.
[And I'm not saying this to seem authoratative, I'm saying this as an unbiased observer.]
Originally posted by illadelph12
After reading the thread, and trying to filter out all the pointless beef, I'd have to say that this fight is more than likely a draw. No solid evidence pointing to a definitive outcome has or will be provided by either side (which only seems reasonable concidering the characters involved).The argument against LT is hollow whereas his opponents are trying to use an instance where a power source provided by "God" (TOAA), the "HOTU", was given to and used by Thanos for the purpose of destroying and re-creating a "universe", or "multiverse" (depending on your interpretation and how much merit you give to bios). If you don't have an agenda, logic would tell you that a power provided by a supreme being with the sole purpose of purging and recreating creation, regardless of who is wielding it, be it Thanos or Green Arrow, is going to fulfill it's purpose and usurp LT's jurisdiction. Also, if, as the LT opposition is stating, this only took place in one universe, it has been stated on panel and numerous other places that the LT exists in it's entirety outside of the multiverse and manifests itself in reality via M-Bodies. LT could have been in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU and countless other universes simultaneously, it just so happens that in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU, under the assumption it was only that one particular universe the HOTU held dominion, LT's manifestation was usurped by it's power. It doesn't mean that the LT, using the reasoning that the HOTU was only one universe, was defeated in his totality. Using Mr. Master's reasoning (HOTU is multiversal), it still does not mean LT was defeated in his totality, because which multiverse it has dominion over is not specified, and there are multiple multiverses which LT protects. Thanos's own words of continuing to absorb after the universe in which he was located was gone would allude to the fact that Mr. Master is correct, but it doesn't [b]prove
he is correct. [/B]
I like the way this reads ...
don't agree with everything but it's fair enuff,
one thing though ill,
Just for the record I never said or thought THOTI was a Multiversal power, I always said the Heart was god's/toaa's power. (Beyond Multiversal, Beyond anything)
That's the only reason THOTI defeated LT and so easily at that, not because it was a Multiversal or even Omniversal power,
but simply because it was the power of the "Almighty" ... according to Starlin only Thanos was able to endure and withstand having all that power, his History as the poster boy for "god-like" achivements was necessary in this endeavor, apparently becoming the Universe with the Cosmic Containment Unit, and becoming the Universe yet again with even more power with the Infinity Gauntlet, coupled with his indomitable Will and you had yourself the perfect candidate to play "god" but with "the Catch" at the end of course.
I'm just saying the range of the Heart's influence is inconsequential, the Fact that it absorbed LT makes it the most powerful "source of energy" ever.
It has never been stated On Panel or in a bio that LT manifests in M-Bodys that are "Portions" of his Totality.
In Fact, what is stated is that LT exist everywhere simultaneously in all Multiverses, Omni-Present if you will.
LT has never been referred to as an M-body in Comics.
And there has never been any mention of M-bodys that come in different levels of power for Any Concept/Abstract being, in other words, the Eternity that appears, is always the same Eternity, with the same amount of power of any other Eternity.
That Quasar issue makes you turn rather than give clear answers but that's how I saw it in the end.
ps. you should post more, I seen you in action in the past. 😎
Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, the "Korvac" debacle was brought up as a means of demeaning LT's stature, but upon close analysis of that instance, that's also a non feat due to LT never applying his power directly upon Korvac. He arrived, judged, enacted a supernova with the intent of the resultant explosion killing Korvac, but Korvac was able to survive the supernova, so inexplicably, LT deemed it necessary to "cut and run" and just seal off the universe and be done with it.
Death helped Korvac in some way, immediately after Korvac survives LT's Judgement, Death pops out and say's, 'due to my machinations, the Universe will be mine' ...
So I wouldn't give Korvac conclusively all the credit for survivng even that minor attack.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Ok.After reading the thread, and trying to filter out all the pointless beef, I'd have to say that this fight is more than likely a draw. No solid evidence pointing to a definitive outcome has or will be provided by either side (which only seems reasonable concidering the characters involved).
The argument against LT is hollow whereas his opponents are trying to use an instance where a power source provided by "God" (TOAA), the "HOTU", was given to and used by Thanos for the purpose of destroying and re-creating a "universe", or "multiverse" (depending on your interpretation and how much merit you give to bios). If you don't have an agenda, logic would tell you that a power provided by a supreme being with the sole purpose of purging and recreating creation, regardless of who is wielding it, be it Thanos or Green Arrow, is going to fulfill it's purpose and usurp LT's jurisdiction. Also, if, as the LT opposition is stating, this only took place in one universe, it has been stated on panel and numerous other places that the LT exists in it's entirety outside of the multiverse and manifests itself in reality via M-Bodies. LT could have been in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU and countless other universes simultaneously, it just so happens that in the universe where Thanos wielded the HOTU, under the assumption it was only that one particular universe the HOTU held dominion, LT's manifestation was usurped by it's power. It doesn't mean that the LT, using the reasoning that the HOTU was only one universe, was defeated in his totality. Using Mr. Master's reasoning (HOTU is multiversal), it still does not mean LT was defeated in his totality, because which multiverse it has dominion over is not specified, and there are multiple multiverses which LT protects. Thanos's own words of continuing to absorb after the universe in which he was located was gone would allude to the fact that Mr. Master is correct, but it doesn't [b]prove
he is correct.Also, the "Korvac" debacle was brought up as a means of demeaning LT's stature, but upon close analysis of that instance, that's also a non feat due to LT never applying his power directly upon Korvac. He arrived, judged, enacted a supernova with the intent of the resultant explosion killing Korvac, but Korvac was able to survive the supernova, so inexplicably, LT deemed it necessary to "cut and run" and just seal off the universe and be done with it.
I've really seen no argument as to how LT actually defeats Michael either. The argument for Michael defeating LT is based on the assumption that due to LT and Spectre being portrayed as equals or peers, and Michael's on panel portrayal of backhanding the Spectre away from the gates of heaven, it could be assumed that if Spectre=LT, and Michael>Spectre, then Michael>Spectre=LT, So Michael wins, which is flawed. That's the equivalent of me saying [American Football Analogy]:
"Well, the Raiders beat the Steelers, and the Steelers are Super Bowl Champions, just as the Colts are, so the Raiders must be able to beat the Colts because the Colts are Super Bowl winners just like the Steelers. Raiders>Steelers, Steelers '06=Colts '07. Raiders>Steelers '06=Colts 07."
This argument (for Michael, not the Raiders), as presented in this thread, does not hold up upon further analysis. No feats of Michael were provided that portray him able to defeat LT. All that was shown was Michael barring Spectre from Heaven because it's Michael's duty to protect Heaven and Spectre didn't belong and was barred from Heaven. It says as much in the scan. Had the situation been something like God commissioning Spectre to kill Michael and then Michael lays the smack down on him, thereby opposing the will of the Presence and Spectre's purpose, I'd stand and applaud and give Michael the nod. That has not been provided or portrayed.
Until evidence is provided, and not just circular logic, juvenile insults, and debating characters and objects that aren't even players in this fight, this is, and more than likely will remain, a draw, and a pointless fight.
I'm taking no sides. Neither side in this argument has proven anything about the actual characters involved.
[And I'm not saying this to seem authoratative, I'm saying this as an unbiased observer.] [/B]
The thing is, Michael serves the purpose of being like the Heart. He is there to accomplish what ever He's supposed to and has the Infinite power to do so. Just like the heart.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Death helped Korvac in some way, immediately after Korvac survives LT's Judgement, Death pops out and say's, 'due to my machinations, the Universe will be mine' ...So I wouldn't give Korvac conclusively all the credit for survivng even that minor attack.
And Nvr, why did you lie about me ruining the comparison thread? You madxe that up on the spot to attack me, and that's not nice.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Eh, if death activly defide LT's judgement he'd do something about it.And Nvr, why did you lie about me ruining the comparison thread? You madxe that up on the spot to attack me, and that's not nice.
You ruin so many of my threads and attack me so much, and you did respond in that one, I seemed to have gotten them mixed up. Doesn't matter, you start so much shit with me I get them all jumbled.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Eh, if death activly defide LT's judgement he'd do something about it.
Perhaps,
but it happened,
"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"
"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"
After the Universe is erased,
Korvac and his slice end up in the Realm of DEATH
Nowadays, they would've ended up in Oblivion's embrace.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You ruin so many of my threads and attack me so much, and you did respond in that one, I seemed to have gotten them mixed up. Doesn't matter, you start so much shit with me I get them all jumbled.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Name one thread that I and I alone am responsible for the decline of.
Your presence is enough. You come in, have nothing positive to say,and just decide that you are the authority on the subject of who's winning, who doesn't count and you have been an ass to me since day one. I do not like you and I just wish if u saw a thread the I made, no matter how popular, that you would stay out of it. Youdidn't do anything when you came into this thread but start shit. Didn't contribute anything note worthy to the actual thread or the debate between board walker,big bran, and master.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your presence is enough. You come in, have nothing positive to say,and just decide that you are the authority on the subject of who's winning, who doesn't count and you have been an ass to me since day one. I do not like you and I just wish if u saw a thread the I made, no matter how popular, that you would stay out of it. Youdidn't do anything when you came into this thread but start shit. Didn't contribute anything note worthy to the actual thread or the debate between board walker,big bran, and master.
By the way, I love your logic.
"King Kandy sucks."
"Why?"
"Because he ruins all the threads I make."
"Name one."
"His presence is enough."
Originally posted by King Kandy
...You didn't contributer anything valuable either. It was all Mr. Master and Bigbran.By the way, I love your logic.
"King Kandy sucks."
"Why?"
"Because he ruins all the threads I make."
"Name one."
"His presence is enough."
See there you go. First of all, I didn't give a damn about bran and master's debate, it dind't have anything to do with the thread. I only sided with bran becuz one, I do not like mr master, and two, the evidence presented was the same stuff board walker was saying. The panels said universe. And I don't have to contribute shit if I dont feel it. I made the thread that got everyone's juices going. You try being creative enough to come up with a thread that gets over 5000 views and over 400 post. I do not like you, and you do nothing but start shit. you know it and everyone know's it. And your coming into thethread to stay stupid shit like the only one's who count are bran and master is showing how much of a kiss up you are. U attack BW and NVr becuz we seem less popular but Bran was only saying the same stuff BW had already said. So how is Bran counting and BW not counting when they said the same stuff? YOu dont' have an answer but I know. you are a lame who wanted to get in and fit in and try and get cool points by starting shit with the people you thought would be easiest to target.
