Doomsday vs. The Hulk

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
..............ok, that's it. I give up. surrender This fanboy can't be reasoned with. I'm just going to ignore his posts from now on. Congrats Xmeat, you have throughly convinced me you are an unreasonable buffoon, and a complete idiot.

Isn't gog wars DD non-canon?

kinda depends on how you look at canon.. the events DID take place.. but then gog just went back in time and changed them.. 😬

DC's "version" of canon is pretty loose though so while that doomsday DOES exist and DID exist in the current timeline.. he doesn't anymore due to gog going BACK in time to yet another current timeline.. you see it's confusing as hell.

Originally posted by xmeat
that he's as fast as flash show a scan with dd running the speed of light.

why do I need a scan of dd running at light speed to prove that dd's fighting speed and reflexes are well on par with someone like flash?

Originally posted by jinzin
why do I need a scan of dd running at light speed to prove that dd's fighting speed and reflexes are well on par with someone like flash?

not running, not yet proven anyways... but his hand movements and fighting speed are well on par with flach and faster than superman or wonderwoman which has been shown on several occasions..

DD's running speed is irrelivent here.. hulk will see him coming, cause he certainly doesn't run at lightspeed... but that's all hulk's seeing before it's lights out.

Originally posted by jinzin
not running, not yet proven anyways... but his hand movements and fighting speed are well on par with flach and faster than superman or wonderwoman which has been shown on several occasions..

DD's running speed is irrelivent here.. hulk will see him coming, cause he certainly doesn't run at lightspeed... but that's all hulk's seeing before it's lights out.

why won't he get knocked out?

he's been knocked out by one of mole men's giants,
doctor octopus' arms,
spiderman carying a cement truck,
iron man with a full force hit,
iron fist using his own momentum against him,
titanus in three hits,
post crisis superman in a VERY SHORT and very uninspired fight,
namor,
an energy blast from thor,
a conductive blast that knocked out hulk, but not namor,
an avalanche while fighting wolverine.

you're acting like he can't be KOed.. he can..
you're acting like he's fast enough to react to doomsday... he's not..

prove that he is... he's not even fast enough to tag wolverine when wolverine puts his ass into high gear. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
why won't he get knocked out?

he's been knocked out by one of mole men's giants,
doctor octopus' arms,
spiderman carying a cement truck,
iron man with a full force hit,
iron fist using his own momentum against him,
titanus in three hits,
post crisis superman in a VERY SHORT and very uninspired fight,
namor,
an energy blast from thor,
a conductive blast that knocked out hulk, but not namor,
an avalanche while fighting wolverine.

you're acting like he can't be KOed.. he can..
you're acting like he's fast enough to react to doomsday... he's not..

prove that he is... he's not even fast enough to tag wolverine when wolverine puts his ass into high gear. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
why won't he get knocked out?

he's been knocked out by one of mole men's giants,
doctor octopus' arms,
spiderman carying a cement truck,
iron man with a full force hit,
iron fist using his own momentum against him,
titanus in three hits,
post crisis superman in a VERY SHORT and very uninspired fight,
namor,
an energy blast from thor,
a conductive blast that knocked out hulk, but not namor,
an avalanche while fighting wolverine.

you're acting like he can't be KOed.. he can..
you're acting like he's fast enough to react to doomsday... he's not..

prove that he is... he's not even fast enough to tag wolverine when wolverine puts his ass into high gear. 😬

Originally posted by xmeat
everyone has pis low feats even superman and lets not forget grundy who kicks supes ass then gets owned by batman.

grundy has a reason for that though.. his strength and durability CHANGE with every form...
what's hulk's excuse? oh that's right PIS.

you call every time the guy's been knocked out PIS?
😂

you ARE pretty hopeless aren'tcha?

Originally posted by xmeat
show a scan of hulk getting blitz

well there's certainly plenty out there... I mean DD's done it, captain america's done it, spiderman's done it...

but a speed blitze isn't the point here..

hulk just doesn't have the fast twich reflex speed to FIGHT doomsday.. it doesn't so much have to do with blitzing as it does fighting.

Ok, I LOVE the Hulk, really I do and as much as I would want him to be able to beat Doomsday, he just can't...

A really, really, really PO'd Hulk would be Doomsday's equal in strength and durability IMO.

If were saying he is at that anger level after having seen Doomsday kill Betty in front of him then yes he is as strong a DD.

BUT, can he match DD's speed? No he can't, I think he would also try to beat down Doomsday in his rage, Superman already beat Doomsday Physicaly so DD is not going down no matter how strong Hulk gets.

If were saying that seeing Betty die in front of him, gets him angry but not as PO'd as he can get then Doomsday totals him, pretty quickly.

If Hulk starts at base level, this fight is over within a matter of minutes...

The problem with putting any Marvel character against any DC character is the power levels in the two universes are light years apart DC characters are just plainly more powerful.

A group of guys who played the Marvel RPG, did stats for all major DC characters including Doomsday, to see how they would play in the MU.

Doomsday's basic strength stat on there, is the same as Hulk's maximum strength stat after getting enraged for about four turns, I know people will say "Hulk has no limits" but he has to have a limit for a game.

Using the RPG as an indication, Doomsday, could knock a base level Hulk out in the first turn, he wouldn't have a chance to get angry cause he would have been KTFO.

I know an RPG is no real indicator but these stats were created by MARVEL fans based on DC comic characters feats in the comic books and honestly most of the heavy hitters in DC, own the heavy hitters in marvel.

This is not a bad thing, its just two different universes following two different sets of rules.

Marvels speedsters break the sound barrier, DC's break the speed of light, Class 100 is considered very strong in Marvel, Superman lifts battleships weighing 5,000 tons.

Just live with it, Vs threads are fun, not for getting so heated up about, Doomsday beats Hulk 10/10.

A really, really, really enraged Hulk just lasts longer, fighting isn't just about strength and toughness, its about skill and speed and technique too.

Take two heavy weight boxers, both of equal strength but one happens to be 10 times as fast and one can land 10 punches in the time it takes the other to land one.

Hands up who's betting on the slower boxer...

Sorry for the long post.

Why even bother.

I'm honestly kind of surprised Marvel fans would admit that DC is stronger, or that a game could be taken as an endorsement either way. But I see what you're getting at.

Their estimate of DD's strength level is pretty accurate. Hulk is that much outclassed. You could compare this to the Ali-Foreman fight, but DD doesn't have to do rope-a-dope to win.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm honestly kind of surprised Marvel fans would admit that DC is stronger, or that a game could be taken as an endorsement either way. But I see what you're getting at.

Their estimate of DD's strength level is pretty accurate. Hulk is that much outclassed. You could compare this to the Ali-Foreman fight, but DD doesn't have to do rope-a-dope to win.

Well there are marvel fans and marvel FANBOYS thats the difference 😉

I prefer the Marvel Universe to the DC universe but I'm not stupid, I have read enough DC to know that their characters are much more powerful.

The guys that wrote the stats are big Marvel fans and fans of the RPG but they were also comic fans in general and for game balance you can't really show bias.

I'm not saying this is an endorsement, its not, I just thought they have got the Doomsday stats pretty much spot on and it was as good an indicator as any, as to how a fight between these two would go.

So, I gotta know. Does Deadpool get an insanity bonus or any kind of bonus because of his craziness? 😛

dc and marvel powerhouses are equal not different marvel has its flaws and dc has its flaws people who say one universe is more powerful than the other clearly are either fanboys or dont know enough about the other univrses power houses.

Now DD doesn't have superspeed he just is a faster fighter but he is not to fast that hulk shouldn't tag him and hulk will no matter what any of you think.

Originally posted by xmeat
dc and marvel powerhouses are equal not different marvel has its flaws and dc has its flaws people who say one universe is more powerful than the other clearly are either fanboys or dont know enough about the other univrses power houses.

Now DD doesn't have superspeed he just is a faster fighter but he is not to fast that hulk shouldn't tag him and hulk will no matter what any of you think.

Well how can I debate with someone who puts up such a rational argument? 🙄

Ok so Hulk tags him, fine, it can happen, never said it couldn't, would it hurt him?

And now you have admited DD is faster, so he will land more blows,even if these two are equal in strength (re read my post, I have already stated its possible) Hulk gets hit more often and goes down.

So, I gotta know. Does Deadpool get an insanity bonus or any kind of bonus because of his craziness?

Nope but he does get a healing factor that is better than Logan's and its mentioned in his profile that he could change sides mid fight. 😄

[QUOTE=8354999]Originally posted by Hercules
[B]Well how can I debate with someone who puts up such a rational argument? 🙄

Ok so Hulk tags him, fine, it can happen, never said it couldn't, would it hurt him?

And now you have admited DD is faster, so he will land more blows,even if these two are equal in strength (re read my post, I have already stated its possible) Hulk gets hit more often and goes down.

thor faster than hulk didn't stop hulk from beating his ass.

OOOOOO this is a really good thread, You have to think about the fact that Hulk gets angrier and stronger the longer he see's an enemys face. Doomsday, an unstopable force...........I would say that they both fight to the point where they just desroy whatever planet they are fighting on.
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Originally posted by SupaEZE
OOOOOO this is a really good thread, You have to think about the fact that Hulk gets angrier and stronger the longer he see's an enemys face. Doomsday, an unstopable force...........I would say that they both fight to the point where they just desroy whatever planet they are fighting on.
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Originally posted by xmeat
thor faster than hulk didn't stop hulk from beating his ass.

Well for one those fights were hardly one sided, two Hulk and Thor have very similar strength levels, three have you read Infinity Crusade? they sent Drax AND Hulk against Thor, yes he had warrior madness at the time but still, earth's hero's thought Drax with the power gem needed to accompany Hulk.

DD hits a LOT harder than Thor and is a LOT faster, Superman beat Thor and DD KILLED Superman.

See where I'm going with this?

Your talking to me as if I hate Hulk, fact of the matter is, I have read the Hulk since the early 80's I love the character, I'm just not a blind fanboy who thinks because he is "Marvels Mightiest Mortal" he can take anyone on.

At this point I am going to cease responding, because its clear this is the internet equivalent of talking to a brick wall.