Doomsday vs. The Hulk

Originally posted by Hercules
Well for one those fights were hardly one sided, two Hulk and Thor have very similar strength levels, three have you read Infinity Crusade? they sent Drax AND Hulk against Thor, yes he had warrior madness at the time but still, earth's hero's thought Drax with the power gem needed to accompany Hulk.

DD hits a LOT harder than Thor and is a LOT faster, Superman beat Thor and DD KILLED Superman.

See where I'm going with this?

Your talking to me as if I hate Hulk, fact of the matter is, I have read the Hulk since the early 80's I love the character, I'm just not a blind fanboy who thinks because he is "Marvels Mightiest Mortal" he can take anyone on.

At this point I am going to cease responding, because its clear this is the internet equivalent of talking to a brick wall.

The Hulk hate on this board is most disturbing....You'd think he squashed one of your homes in one of his fictional(not real so doesn't deserve this ire) rampages.

Let me say a couple things.

Hulk can go from calm to enraged in seconds.

This whole thing about it taking a whole day for him to reach Supermans level, and thus DD's isn't supported by comics.

Him matching Thor, and not climbing higher quickly is simply the editorials way of keeping the fans of both happy.

Same way Superman is constantly touted as the biggest weapon DC Earth has, yet whenever he faces Cap or Wonderwoman, his dominance isn't showcased.....
So as not to alienate either group of fans.

DD, doesn't dwarf Hulk in strength at the onset. He might have the edge, but it can be lost in seconds.

Lastly, DD has been killed by the same means twice.

Radiant killed him in a blast of pure energy, and Imperiex vaped him with a blast of energy.

The forumlore of DD has gotten out of control.

And he doesn't consistently speedblitz, if thats even what it can be called.

Hulk can win some, as can DD.

I'll call it down the middle.

And to whoever said Hulk is a Grundy rip off.........True enough, but Whirly, Superman is clearly based off of Doc Savage.

DD wins. Via speedbiltz.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The Hulk hate on this board is most disturbing....You'd think he squashed one of your homes in one of his fictional(not real so doesn't deserve this ire) rampages.

Let me say a couple things.

Hulk can go from calm to enraged in seconds.

This whole thing about it taking a whole day for him to reach Supermans level, and thus DD's isn't supported by comics.

Him matching Thor, and not climbing higher quickly is simply the editorials way of keeping the fans of both happy.

Same way Superman is constantly touted as the biggest weapon DC Earth has, yet whenever he faces Cap or Wonderwoman, his dominance isn't showcased.....
So as not to alienate either group of fans.

DD, doesn't dwarf Hulk in strength at the onset. He might have the edge, but it can be lost in seconds.

Lastly, DD has been killed by the same means twice.

Radiant killed him in a blast of pure energy, and Imperiex vaped him with a blast of energy.

The forumlore of DD has gotten out of control.

And he doesn't consistently speedblitz, if thats even what it can be called.

Hulk can win some, as can DD.

I'll call it down the middle.

And to whoever said Hulk is a Grundy rip off.........True enough, but Whirly, Superman is clearly based off of Doc Savage.

Who said Imperiex and The Radiants energy was the same?

Originally posted by UniOmni
The Hulk hate on this board is most disturbing....You'd think he squashed one of your homes in one of his fictional(not real so doesn't deserve this ire) rampages.

Let me say a couple things.

Hulk can go from calm to enraged in seconds.

This whole thing about it taking a whole day for him to reach Supermans level, and thus DD's isn't supported by comics.

Him matching Thor, and not climbing higher quickly is simply the editorials way of keeping the fans of both happy.

Same way Superman is constantly touted as the biggest weapon DC Earth has, yet whenever he faces Cap or Wonderwoman, his dominance isn't showcased.....
So as not to alienate either group of fans.

DD, doesn't dwarf Hulk in strength at the onset. He might have the edge, but it can be lost in seconds.

Lastly, DD has been killed by the same means twice.

Radiant killed him in a blast of pure energy, and Imperiex vaped him with a blast of energy.

The forumlore of DD has gotten out of control.

And he doesn't consistently speedblitz, if thats even what it can be called.

Hulk can win some, as can DD.

I'll call it down the middle.

And to whoever said Hulk is a Grundy rip off.........True enough, but Whirly, Superman is clearly based off of Doc Savage.

......Xmeat appears to have called in reinforcements. I'd respond to the ungodly stupidity in that post, but I'm trying to cut down on fanboys in my diet. 🙄

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
......Xmeat appears to have called in reinforcements. I'd respond to the ungodly stupidity in that post, but I'm trying to cut down on fanboys in my diet. 🙄

Originally posted by dvampire
DD wins. Via speedbiltz.

Doomsday is stronger than superman and as fast or faster. I good speed blitz Mega doomsday darkseid sucker punch should do it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Doomsday is stronger than superman and as fast or faster. I good speed blitz Mega doomsday darkseid sucker punch should do it.

Well I agree that it doesn't take the Hulk days to get to Superman's or DD's level strength wise.

Radient couldn't defeat him the second time in the same manner, just because both he and Imperiex beat him with energy, doesn't follow that they were the same types of energy or are you saying that Imperiex's blast was a lot more powerful than Radient's and thats what killed him?

He will build up an immunity to whatever kills him so it cannot kill him again, if were saying that a more powerful attack of the same type can kill him, then can Hulk Surpass Supes Strength level in time to bludgeon DD?

Also depending on who you listen to, Hulks Base Level can be as little as Class 70-80, Nowhere near Superman's league, Hulk can go beyond this in seconds of cause, this has been proved for instance when Abomination was taking Hulk to school until he mentioned killing Betty.

Within the space of a few panels Hulk had literaly caved Abomination's face in as the rage increased his strength.

As I have said, I don't hate Hulk, I just think he is out of his league here and to be fair, Rabid Hulk Fanboys, only make the Hulk hating worse.

My favourite Incarnations of the Hulk are the weaker versions of him, adds more flavour to the character, a Hero that can simply out muscle everyone he meets gets old fast.

I can't wait for Hulk to get back to earth and ***** slap the iluminati so Its harsh to say anyone who thinks DD can take out Hulk everytime are haters.

I do think Hulk has a chance against Superman, I just don't think he has the same chance against DD.

Its just my opinion, based on what I have seen and read, if someone gives me conclusive proof that Hulk can beat DD 50% of the time that opinion could change.

I have just yet to see it.

Really, the only versions of DD that Hulk stands can beat are DoS Doomsday and DD Rex. Against any other version and Hulk would get whomped.

The speed advantage would be the hardest thing to overcome, but some writers, including PAD, view Hulk's speed as something derived from his strength, basically meaning that the stronger Hulk became, the faster he would become.

Originally posted by Hercules
Well I agree that it doesn't take the Hulk days to get to Superman's or DD's level strength wise.

Radient couldn't defeat him the second time in the same manner, just because both he and Imperiex beat him with energy, doesn't follow that they were the same types of energy or are you saying that Imperiex's blast was a lot more powerful than Radient's and thats what killed him?

He will build up an immunity to whatever kills him so it cannot kill him again, if were saying that a more powerful attack of the same type can kill him, then can Hulk Surpass Supes Strength level in time to bludgeon DD?

Also depending on who you listen to, Hulks Base Level can be as little as Class 70-80, Nowhere near Superman's league, Hulk can go beyond this in seconds of cause, this has been proved for instance when Abomination was taking Hulk to school until he mentioned killing Betty.

Within the space of a few panels Hulk had literaly caved Abomination's face in as the rage increased his strength.

As I have said, I don't hate Hulk, I just think he is out of his league here and to be fair, Rabid Hulk Fanboys, only make the Hulk hating worse.

My favourite Incarnations of the Hulk are the weaker versions of him, adds more flavour to the character, a Hero that can simply out muscle everyone he meets gets old fast.

I can't wait for Hulk to get back to earth and ***** slap the iluminati so Its harsh to say anyone who thinks DD can take out Hulk everytime are haters.

I do think Hulk has a chance against Superman, I just don't think he has the same chance against DD.

Its just my opinion, based on what I have seen and read, if someone gives me conclusive proof that Hulk can beat DD 50% of the time that opinion could change.

I have just yet to see it.

See, i can respond to you, simply because you don't fall back upon the fanboy excuse that less skilled debaters tend to resort too.

The only place that ever said Hulk starts out at class 80, are the handbooks, iirc.
Handbooks are there to reinforce whats shown in the comics, not supercede them.
In comics, once Hulk transforms, which is generally under stressful or angered circumstances, he's class 100 period.
Only on this forum does the he's only class 80 thing come up, and showings don't support those claims.

Now to the Doomsday fiasco.
Where people ever got the idea, that once DD is killed by something, he's now immune to it, i do not know.
Anyone who's read H/P, would realize that he was killed repeatedly, by the atmosphere of native Krypton, and then by the native creatures of Krypton. Many times over.
He doesn't develope an immunity to what kills him altogether. He developes an immunity to what kills him, at that level.

If DD was a human, if i killed him on Saturday night with a 22, then on Sunday i'd merk him with a 45.
To hear people on this board tell it, once killed by bullet, now DD is immune to bullets altogether. Not so.

Radiant killed him in an energy blast. It never said if the later version was more powerful than before, so i guessed it was the same power level, overall.
Radiant killed DD, with an energy blast that registered 100. DD is now immune to death from energy 100 and below. Imperiex blasts him with energy that registers 10,000. Its a pattern.

He developed immunities to the gases of Krypton over repeated exposures, only becoming resistant after death.
Put him back on Ancient Krypton, and up the potency of the atmosphere, and he'd likely die again, as per H/P.

DD against a foe who's powerful, but doesn't have any sort of true dynamic power = DD the winnah.
The Hulk isn't that guy however.

DD's resistance goes up, Hulks ability to put on more damage does the same.

I'd give Hulk the better odds against DD, than i would Superman.
DD is a guy who punches, and punches harder. Him in a nutshell.

Superman can do much more, and at more consistently shown speeds..

Originally posted by dvampire
DD wins. Via speedbiltz.

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I've read Death of Superman all the way through on multiple occasions. Hulk did similar to Doomsday against the Avengers on multiple occasions.

OH NOES! HE TOOK OUT A BUNCH OF B-LISTERS!

Seriously, Hulk kicks his ass.

Originally posted by UniOmni
See, i can respond to you, simply because you don't fall back upon the fanboy excuse that less skilled debaters tend to resort too.

The only place that ever said Hulk starts out at class 80, are the handbooks, iirc.
Handbooks are there to reinforce whats shown in the comics, not supercede them.
In comics, once Hulk transforms, which is generally under stressful or angered circumstances, he's class 100 period.
Only on this forum does the he's only class 80 thing come up, and showings don't support those claims.

Now to the Doomsday fiasco.
Where people ever got the idea, that once DD is killed by something, he's now immune to it, i do not know.
Anyone who's read H/P, would realize that he was killed repeatedly, by the atmosphere of native Krypton, and then by the native creatures of Krypton. Many times over.
He doesn't develope an immunity to what kills him altogether. He developes an immunity to what kills him, at that level.

If DD was a human, if i killed him on Saturday night with a 22, then on Sunday i'd merk him with a 45.
To hear people on this board tell it, once killed by bullet, now DD is immune to bullets altogether. Not so.

Radiant killed him in an energy blast. It never said if the later version was more powerful than before, so i guessed it was the same power level, overall.
Radiant killed DD, with an energy blast that registered 100. DD is now immune to death from energy 100 and below. Imperiex blasts him with energy that registers 10,000. Its a pattern.

He developed immunities to the gases of Krypton over repeated exposures, only becoming resistant after death.
Put him back on Ancient Krypton, and up the potency of the atmosphere, and he'd likely die again, as per H/P.

DD against a foe who's powerful, but doesn't have any sort of true dynamic power = DD the winnah.
The Hulk isn't that guy however.

DD's resistance goes up, Hulks ability to put on more damage does the same.

I'd give Hulk the better odds against DD, than i would Superman.
DD is a guy who punches, and punches harder. Him in a nutshell.

Superman can do much more, and at more consistently shown speeds..

you're right about DD being immune to X level of whatever killed him. The problem is, Superman far outclasses Hulk in pretty much everything. So DD has already fought someone stronger, faster, smarter and more powerful than Hulk, and he won. Hulk is severely outclassed in this fight.

The time it will take Hulk to get over Superman's max strength level is time DD won't give him. Hulk will be killed before he attains the strength to outpower DD. Not to mention DD has a poison on his bones that could affect even Supes. Said poison may be purged by the healing factor, but that will waste precious energy and DD won't give him the chance to get a 2nd wind.

And in terms of bloodlust, I'd say DD's bloodlust and anger are much more dangerous and deep than Hulk's. After all, if you died X number of times because of Kryptonians, and as a child, no less, and were revived countless times only to keep dying, you'd be a rageaholic too. (X being somewhere over say, 5-10k minimum? I'm guessing here, anyone have a better idea of the figure?)

Edit: You just lost a lot of my respect, Howard. 🙁

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Edit: You just lost a lot of my respect, Howard. 🙁

I'm going to be honest about something: Why do you think that everyone who tries to slug it out with Hulk loses?

Doomsday can't do the vaunted Speedblitz. He knocked away a bunch of b-list JLA members, and John Stewart. Whoopdie f#@$ing do.

Also, Superman outclasses Hulk in everything but two things: Intelligence (counting Bruce Banner's intellect here) and Strength. Hulk's strength feats are damn near unmatched in comics, and that's the truth.

All Doomsday can do is slug it out. He's pretty limited. All Hulk can do is slug it out, except one thing is neglected: Doomsday will weaken over time. Hulk won't.

Doomsday's going to go down eventually. Any Brick vs Brick fight vs Hulk is going to mean that Hulk wins out at the end.

It's elementary, my dear Trickster.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
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I've read Death of Superman all the way through on multiple occasions. Hulk did similar to Doomsday against the Avengers on multiple occasions.

OH NOES! HE TOOK OUT A BUNCH OF B-LISTERS!

Seriously, Hulk kicks his ass.

How is a GL and MM B-listers ?

Originally posted by grey fox
How is a GL and MM B-listers ?

Manhunter acted like a doofus there, and to be honest, wasn't established as a huge powerhouse yet.

I don't buy into the belief that it takes any significant amount of time for the Hulk to jump to insane levels of strength Trickster, but you obviously do.

We'll agree to disagree.
You feel that Superman outpaces the Hulk in strength, and it takes time for Hulk to get on the level. This in turn means that he won't be able to budge DD, and thus loses by default.

I see it differently. Hulk gets mad, power levels spike, and the rumble kicks up a notch. DD is healing as he brawls, as is the Hulk.

The poison might do the trick, or it might not.
This fight favors Hulk, more than it would Superman in his place.

Uni's got it down pat. Every time Hulk fights it never takes him long to get pissed. In combat, anger spikes quick, especially for someone with a bad temper.

A drawn out battle would only end up with Doomsday panting and dealing with Hulk at the level of rage he was at during Crossroads or the Dark Dimension.

Does anyone really think Hulk could put Doomsday down. Doomsday has shown in Gog wars that the more pressure he is under, the faster he evolves. what in the sam hill is hulk going to do to being who evolves powers just to win?