Out of curiosity though what 13 year old hasn't heard, seen and/or used the word "shit" before?
Anyway on topic:
Everyone is entitled to hold an opinion, and they're free to express it, if they so wish. But if they expect everyone to agree with it or respect it, then they're out of their mind.
If telling someone an unfounded, wrong and/or plainly stupid opinion, e.g. if someone's of the opinion the Earth is a flat circular disc on the back of four giant elephants resting atop a larger space tortoise which flies around the sun, is unfounded, wrong and/or plainly stupid is oppression. I frankly don't care.
The credo that "It's an opinion, therefore it can't be wrong." or "Opinions are always valid." is (in my opinion, somewhat ironic huh?) incorrect.
Someone who expresses an opinion in full knowledge that it may be subject to criticism or contention, but then can't take the criticism or contention that may accompany expression of an opinion, has no entitlement to whine about oppression. Harden up.
Originally posted by Badabing
I also used gun control and green energy. Where did I state my views on any of the examples? Oh, I didn't. What's your point? Your point is to skew posts in order to advance your agenda.
"My Agenda"...which is WHAT exactly ? I am so sick of Conservative people using this as a backlash.....they don't know what the hell they are talking about when they use this absurd statement.
Originally posted by Badabing
I used examples of the left and right using labeling and smearing. It's not cool to take a post and try to skew it just to justify your position and point of view. I never said my opinions were oppressed. Please read my post again because I did not stir controversy. Once again, you've proved how closed minded you are. That's the no spin truth.
What I SAW you write, and what you meant two say are two different things.....you clearly stated that people with Conservative views are oppressed simply because big bad Liberals like me called you guys racist, homophobic, ignorant, etc. for having racist, homophobic, and ignorant points of views.
Although I agree with you that it is unfair to be labelled such just for having an opinion, (especially when it can be backed up by reason)...you stated that this is a form of oppression and I find that entirely laughable !
How you can even compare being called names to the oppression of being kicked out of this country for ethnicity and class reasons, to be denied the right to marry the one you love, etc.....it's a fkn JOKE !
I read your post 10 times over, and you clearly stated how you feel oppressed for your opinions, which indirectly fuel the oppression of other people...it's sheer and pure hypocrisy and i dont know how you can't see that.
I am not attacking you here, nor am I accusing you of intentionally being a hypocrit. However, I feel you are blinded to your own hypocrisy and need to think twice before you make statements like the ones you made before, that is all.
Originally posted by Badabing
Once again, I never stated my opinion but just used 4 well known examples that are from the Left and Right. You've shown how closed minded you are by labeling me a Conservative. Thanks for proving my points. 😉
You ARE a Conservative first of all, you've established that LONG AGO when we had those discussions on Gay Marriage and Abortion. I never said there was ne thing wrong with you being a Conservative...so stop playing the victim here.
Secondly, I was directly addressing your defense of Conservative opinions for a reason. To show the hypocrisy was displayed in your statement, that's ALL, and if you can't take it , then that is your problem not mine.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Do you think that only happens in communitist countries?Do you think that what you write online has any effect on your personal life (if you know others around you come to the same message board that you comment on)?
Do you think it's right to oppress someone b/c of their ideas, if their perspective is different then the norm?
So, if you were in a communist country, and wrote things online that were different from the norm, do you feel that your phone would be tapped or other issues? Do you think that kind of stuff could happen in the US?
If you don't answer any of these questions, (simply because it doesn't apply or you don't have an opinion) what do you think the true meaning of FREEDOM of speech or Liberity is?
Yes, I did indeed feel oppression because of my opinion. Not in real life, since I am protected there, but on here, it happens that some people with more power, yet less intellect oppress me and others. It is a horrible feeling, you can't openly state your opinions and are not allowed to use the words you want, not even because they are wrong, just because someone doesn't want it. I guess we have to take it as given since we want to use this site, I just wish it weren't the case.
It is especially hurtful when the people oppressing you preach that they are there to protect you. It seems hypocritical to me, but it happens. I guess that's how it must feel to be in such a country that oppresses you...just on a bigger scale.
I can't agree with lil b that it happens in Western countries more, I lived in two of them and I never felt oppression for my ideas. While I know of someone that lives in China that told me even Wikipedia is banned there. I think she is using a wrong definition. Oppression is not when you are attacked by your fellow men for your opinion, but when you get forcibly stopped to state them or even believe them, like for example being restricted from a webpage or being put in jail for them.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oppression is not when you are attacked by your fellow men for your opinion, but when you get forcibly stopped to state them or even believe them, like for example being restricted from a webpage or being put in jail for them.
Exactly
Everyone gets critisized for thier opinion no matter where they are, that is not oppression by any means.
Oppression of and by opinion, like Bardock has stated, is when a person is prevented from or forced not to state thier opinion, and keep thier mouths shut.
Being punished for an opinion, as a means of controlling one's content, is also a form of oppression.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenAgain, lumping everybody with a different viewpoint into one category. Thanks for proving my point one more time. Sick of conservatives...they don't know what the hell they are talking about... Real open-minded of you.
"[b]My Agenda"...which is WHAT exactly ? I am so sick of Conservative people using this as a backlash.....they don't know what the hell they are talking about when they use this absurd statement.[/B]
Originally posted by Lord UrizenNo, what I wrote and meant are the same. Everybody else was able grasp the words and meaning of my post but you couldn't. Your misunderstanding is not my problem. 😉
What I [b]SAW you write, and what you meant two say are two different things.....you clearly stated that people with Conservative views are oppressed simply because big bad Liberals like me called you guys racist, homophobic, ignorant, etc. for having racist, homophobic, and ignorant points of views.[/B]
Originally posted by Lord UrizenOnce again you prove how close minded you are and that you read and see only the things you want to read and see. My example used points where people don't support Illegal Immigration, Gay Marriage, Gun Control and Green Energy. Let me break this down for you: Folks who don't support Illegal Immigration and Gay Marriage are considered RIGHT of center and folks who do support Gun Control and Green Energy are considered LEFT of center.
Although I agree with you that it is [b]unfair to be labelled such just for having an opinion, (especially when it can be backed up by reason)...you stated that this is a form of oppression and I find that entirely laughable ![/B]
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThe thread starter used the word oppression loosely and I went with it. Again, your misunderstandings aren't my problem. Also, you assume I'm Conservative in ALL my views.nono
How you can even compare being called names to the oppression of being kicked out of this country for ethnicity and class reasons, to be denied the right to marry the one you love, etc.....it's a fkn JOKE !
Originally posted by Lord UrizenI really don't. Once again you assume things that just aren't there. I never said that I felt oppressed or stated my opinion. Read it again. It seems that you're the only person that didn't understand my post. 😑
I read your post 10 times over, and you clearly stated how you feel oppressed for your opinions, which indirectly fuel the oppression of other people...it's sheer and pure hypocrisy and i dont know how you can't see that.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenComing from the person who thinks it's his duty to spread his own agenda. 😆 Not once did I state my opinion in this thread. I merely used 4 examples that showed both sides engage in the same oppression and you tried to fixate those examples onto me as my point of view. If that's the case then I must be a centrist since I evenly divided my examples. Ah, you're wrong again. 😱
I am not attacking you here, nor am I accusing you of intentionally being a hypocrit. However, I feel you are blinded to your own hypocrisy and need to think twice before you make statements like the ones you made before, that is all.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenUm, I never stated an opinion on this thread. Once again, you're assuming things about me. Only a close minded person would label somebody from 2 opinions from other threads. 😬 As I pointed out earlier, I never stated my opinion but cited examples. What happened to the mantra of free expression and open mindedness? I guess that flies out the window when you perceive an opinion that you don't agree with. A funny thing is it's you who's acting like a hypocrite with a double standard. 😉
You [b]ARE a Conservative first of all, you've established that LONG AGO when we had those discussions on Gay Marriage and Abortion. I never said there was ne thing wrong with you being a Conservative...so stop playing the victim here.Secondly, I was directly addressing your defense of Conservative opinions for a reason. To show the hypocrisy was displayed in your statement, that's ALL, and if you can't take it , then that is your problem not mine. [/B]
And that's the no spin truth.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]ExactlyEveryone gets critisized for thier opinion no matter where they are, that is not oppression by any means.
Oppression of and by opinion, like Bardock has stated, is when a person is prevented from or forced not to state thier opinion, and keep thier mouths shut.
Being punished for an opinion, as a means of controlling one's content, is also a form of oppression. [/B]
I agree with that last bit. I think a bit of hypocrisy is being performed here. I'm not impressed.
Originally posted by Badabing(N.B. not saying it warranted knee-jerk tirade in any way) But the wording was probably ambiguous for anyone who didn't read it properly i.e. the distinction between don't support former two and do support latter two wasn't that clear. Although in the context of the rest of the initial post, context of the rest of the sentence actually, it was perfectly clear.
My example used points where people don't support Illegal Immigration, Gay Marriage, Gun Control and Green Energy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
(N.B. not saying it warranted knee-jerk tirade in any way) But the wording was probably ambiguous for anyone who didn't read it properly i.e. the distinction between don't support former two and do support latter two wasn't that clear. Although in the context of the rest of the initial post, context of the rest of the sentence actually, it was perfectly clear.
😛
You're right. It wasn't perfectly clear but everybody else seemed to get the idea.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I did indeed feel oppression because of my opinion. Not in real life, since I am protected there, but on here, it happens that some people with more power, yet less intellect oppress me and others. It is a horrible feeling, you can't openly state your opinions and are not allowed to use the words you want, not even because they are wrong, just because someone doesn't want it. I guess we have to take it as given since we want to use this site, I just wish it weren't the case.It is especially hurtful when the people oppressing you preach that they are there to protect you. It seems hypocritical to me, but it happens. I guess that's how it must feel to be in such a country that oppresses you...just on a bigger scale.
I can't agree with lil b that it happens in Western countries more, I lived in two of them and I never felt oppression for my ideas. While I know of someone that lives in China that told me even Wikipedia is banned there. I think she is using a wrong definition. Oppression is not when you are attacked by your fellow men for your opinion, but when you get forcibly stopped to state them or even believe them, like for example being restricted from a webpage or being put in jail for them.
Woah, check out the balls on Brad! I concur with the shit you said.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've got more issues than I could ever give you.I think PVS is right.
Many people do have opinions composed of shit, fecal matter, turd, that brown stuff (Pick your word) whatever you want to call it. They do not, nor does anybody, deserve default opinion respect.
-AC
ok, just for the closure i have to wrap this up:
no thats not the point. the actual point is that the most cutting insult
can easily come in the form of an opinion. people who believe that every opinion should be respected prove hypocritical when confronted with an opinion which cuts them. the truth of it all lies in the gray area. allowing opinions to exist is one thing, but offering any and every concept or ideal unconditional respect is just insane.
ok im out 😛
Originally posted by Bardock42
Despite you reading the thread and realizing that he didn't?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
its nothing personal, i just find it hard to believe that anyone gets banned if they didnt do something to warrant it. Lil B has beena mod for a while (i am assuming that she was involved in the decision) and i cant see her banning someone for personal reasons, like if she didnt like them.
bottom line is that if you are banned, its likely that you saw it coming and could have avoided it. even if what you were doing was minor, or, in your eyes not wrong, you get warned. you choose to adhere to those warnings or not. if you try to defy the powers that be, you get spanked. he defied, and he got spanked.
You know you'd make a perfect subject. Don't question authority...they are above us.