Heroes that are >> Surfer

And now for another exciting edition of Fun With Numbers (c) 😏

Theoretically, Surfer has a limitless supply of power

Consider: if we regard the total energy in the universe as constant since the Big Bang (y'know conservation and all that), then the energy of the universe is roughly 10^68 joules...
http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/ENERGY/ENERGY_POLICY/tables.html
This is roughly 1 quintillion times the power of Sentry's "million exploding suns."

Theoretically, this is how much power the Surfer could call upon. 😉

That's definition is more suited for the Power Primordial the elders had.

Somehow PC is different although the effects are basically the same.

Not to mention the fact that unlike the "real" universe, we don't have a friggin kly'nn systems nor the crunch. Real world equations down the drain.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
That's definition is more suited for the Power Primordial the elders had.

Somehow PC is different although the effects are basically the same.

Not to mention the fact that unlike the "real" universe, we don't have a friggin kly'nn systems nor the crunch. Real world equations down the drain.

Actually there is a Klyn, and a crunch in the Marvel universe. It's where the kept uber powerful characters such as Tenebrous, Ageis, Beyonder, and Fallen One.

Originally posted by Mindship
And now for another exciting edition of Fun With Numbers (c) 😏

Limitless? Not quite but still impressive.

Consider: if we regard the total energy in the universe as constant since the Big Bang (y'know conservation and all that), then the energy of the universe is roughly 10^68 joules...
http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modules/ENERGY/ENERGY_POLICY/tables.html
This is roughly 1 quintillion times the power of Sentry's "million exploding suns."

Theoretically, this is how much power the Surfer could call upon. 😉

Fallen One's power is described as the power that dissolves galaxies.

no, the "binding halo which makes galaxies solvent". sounds alot like gravity to me, but what do i know.

Originally posted by manorastroman
no, the "binding halo which makes galaxies solvent". sounds alot like gravity to me, but what do i know.

binding - The action of one that binds.

ha·lo - A circular band of colored light around a light source, as around the sun or moon, caused by the refraction and reflection of light by ice particles suspended in the intervening atmosphere.

galaxy - Any of numerous large-scale aggregates of stars, gas, and dust that constitute the universe, containing an average of 100 billion (1011) solar masses and ranging in diameter from 1,500 to 300,000 light-years

sol·vent - Capable of dissolving another substance.

Sounds like to me has has the power to bind together and dissolve the universe. Don't know where you got gravity from?

As the last few post have turned into more marvel cok stroking and no real debate as people have already come into the thread with thier mnds up that no GL is equal to or superior to quasar or the surfer, this was never a debate as minds cannot be changed in this thread. a true debate leaves one open to changing minds. I for am am not adverse to the surfer or quasars power but to suggest that they are superior to the two best gl's ever s rediculous to say the least. especially when one takes the time to actually read the respect threads of hal and kyle.

If anyone has been arguing whether or not Kyle or Hal beats Surfer, its beside the point of this thread.

Hal and Kyle don't >> Surfer. Thats simply not the case.

This thread is to see who's indisputably more powerful than Surfer, and who's a hero as well.

Originally posted by UniOmni
This thread is to see who's indisputably more powerful than Surfer, and who's a hero as well.

Do I have to say it?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As the last few post have turned into more marvel cok stroking and no real debate as people have already come into the thread with thier mnds up that no GL is equal to or superior to quasar or the surfer, this was never a debate as minds cannot be changed in this thread. a true debate leaves one open to changing minds. I for am am not adverse to the surfer or quasars power but to suggest that they are superior to the two best gl's ever s rediculous to say the least. especially when one takes the time to actually read the respect threads of hal and kyle.

Shut the hell up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer cannot drain hal's ring. no need to argue it. Hal has energy absorbtion abilities. So I can just see that as a tug of war. I don't have the scans of kyle giving himself abilities. I"ll look in the respect threads and see if I can find it. As for that quasar thing, that truly just sounds like bias. There is nothing to suggest quasar is above the top gl's. Thier feats trump his by a sizable margin.You also haven't dealt with the fact that hal could just absorb surfer's entire being into his ring. which is a transmutation and absorbtion feat all in one. Kilowog even managed to absorb and entire planet's worth of souls as well.

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=messiah3hx0.jpg
Here a guy who possess Surfers PC capable of transmutating the whole planet organissm into soul/ or thought patterns wavelengths and absorbs it, but at the end restored them back to normal..
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soulabsorved1ia8.jpg
Another time surfer absorbs and controled soul energies..
What Kilowog could do Surfer can do so on much greater degree..
So turning SS into soul energies and absorbing it to the ring, It would'nt work, something similar was done to himself and he manage to fight it off.. Hal on the other hand, i dont think he could fight off an attack like that..

http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilord4fk0.jpg
Here's Surfer absorbing an energy blast and returning it a million times Over.. Shows Surfer can also absorbs energy blast and returns it a lot stronger.. Ive yet to see Hal absorb direct energy blast and returned it instantly on much greater degree of intensity.. In energy tossed out battle i see Surfer winning..

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um yeah he is. He showed this when he absorbed the power of one sun and was overloaded. Batteries over load. your other points are moot.

Surfer cannot drain hal's ring. no need to argue it. Hal has energy absorbtion abilities. So I can just see that as a tug of war.

Originally posted by Priest
so do i think he would be stronger than Surfer?
that would be very interesting seening both of them tangle.

As for the actual Thread..
Dr. Strange
Adam Warlock
KThor
Jean Grey "Phoenix"
Genis Vel/Photon
Is all i can think off in Marvel..

Dr. Fate
Fire Storm "Maybe"
GL's top tiers "could go either way"
Takion
For DC

Max Faraday
Sigma
Full potential Union
Spawn
for Wildstorm..

Originally posted by Roldz
Ive seen Hal's ring being drained and there was nothing he could do to stop it, he was unable to make any contruct or ring function.. Deadman had to help him get out of that situation..
Surfer on the other hand have deal and fought back beings absorbing himself or his own powers/energies...

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=messiah3hx0.jpg
Here a guy who possess Surfers PC capable of transmutating the whole planet organissm into soul/ or thought patterns wavelengths and absorbs it, but at the end restored them back to normal..
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soulabsorved1ia8.jpg
Another time surfer absorbs and controled soul energies..
What Kilowog could do Surfer can do so on much greater degree..
So turning SS into soul energies and absorbing it to the ring, It would'nt work, something similar was done to himself and he manage to fight it off.. Hal on the other hand, i dont think he could fight off an attack like that..

http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilord4fk0.jpg
Here's Surfer absorbing an energy blast and returning it a million times Over.. Shows Surfer can also absorbs energy blast and returns it a lot stronger.. Ive yet to see Hal absorb direct energy blast and returned it instantly on much greater degree of intensity.. In energy tossed out battle i see Surfer winning..

That was the first time he absorbed energies of that magnitude, it didnt happened again later in his own series..

No when someone absorbs hals energies in his ring, he couldnt even produce a Surge charge to fight off the absorbtion meaning the ring is totally useless when its energy is being absorb..

Max Faraday
Sigma
Full potential Union
Spawn
for Wildstorm.. [/QUOTE]

IT's also been learned by Gl's that they can absorb power from other sources since that Hal incodent. I knew about that but I also know that they have learned things sense then. And since this talk was about Hal and Kyle, people seem to be leaving kyle out of the equation. Is it that they know Kyle then is superior to surfer? Surfer certainly isn't draining Kyle's ring. And what if Hal absorbs surfer's entire being into his ring?

MR Fantastic with an itchy trigger finger and Ultimate Nuffifier nestling in a padded shoulder holster

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[B And what if Hal absorbs surfer's entire being into his ring? [/B]

Originally posted by Priest
This
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg

Your comparing Joke of a Genis to Hal? Are you on drugs?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Your comparing Joke of a Genis to Hal? Are you on drugs?

Originally posted by Priest
Genis is essentially the same Genis we know today.
Hal is just a human, Genis is Kree.
Kree>Human

What happened to you? Did a car hit you? Your uttering incoherent nonsense.

That is rookie genis who the hell do you think your kidding?

Yes they can absorb energies and manipulate it to anyform they so choose using Oan energy ala PC but i doubt it ads up to the actual energy "Oan energy" charge of the ring.. Only the batteries could do that.. I like to see a GL manipulate energy/matter while the actual energy charge of the ring is being drained, could be a weakness of the ring..

Originally posted by Board Walker
What happened to you? Did a car hit you? Your uttering incoherent nonsense.

That is rookie genis who the hell do you think your kidding?

Originally posted by Board Walker
What happened to you? Did a car hit you? Your uttering incoherent nonsense.
That is rookie genis who the hell do you think your kidding?

going by ur logic u probally would feel that a bullet that would kill a weak person will not kill a person that is much stonger.
Hal is not a abstract compared to Genis(even that version)
btw im wondering who's essence did Hal absrob anyways?
and another thing to add, Captain Mavel Genis wouldent stand a chance against Surfer, according to Rick Jones, who knows Genis best.