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Ragman? Ragman cannot it seems absorb someone with even a decent powerlevel. Human or lower? Sure *so long as they are evil*. Higher than that? I have not seen it. He had trouble with some Moon Powered girl, and Eclipso as well.

long pig Restricted

Ragman>Ghetto.

He's the scourge of the ghetto. Superman, simply is not.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd you haven't dealt with the fact that the rngs are made to absorb the power from batteries. a ring even absorbed the power of a cosmic cube. surfer is a living battery and subject to being drained just as much as hal's ring is. it would be a tug of war

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You didn't deal with any of the points I made. You instead side stepped them and made another useless claim. Surfer has never been a battery, thats more along the lines of Superman or Sentry.

Beta Ray Howard Restricted

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um excuse me? Aren't we talking about Gl's and surfer? How about sticking with the current debate.

Seems that I hit a nerve.

You're playing the "OMG he has a low feat so he sucks" game.

Anyone can play that game. Ready?

Spider-Man got KOed by a billy club to the back of the head by Taskmaster.

Who is next?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Soujaboy
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You didn't deal with any of the points I made. You instead side stepped them and made another useless claim. Surfer has never been a battery, thats more along the lines of Superman or Sentry.

Um yeah he is. He showed this when he absorbed the power of one sun and was overloaded. Batteries over load. your other points are moot.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um yeah he is. He showed this when he absorbed the power of one sun and was overloaded. Batteries over load. your other points are moot.

Um no he isn't. He doesn't have to charge, and he doesn't lose power. Two main properties of a battery.

"How do you transmute your self to have TK abilities? why wouldn't he lift it with his ring? I would like to see scans of this.

Shrinking someone doesn't equate to transmutation.

Their absorption abilities have nothing to do with his.

I never said it couldn't be done, I just asked for proof that I haven't and most likely won't be given.

Surfer has absorbed things with greater energy than constructs, such as large blast, and even manipulated and absorbed Quasar's constructs. Quasar is most likely at or above a top tier Gl.

You haven't dealt with the fact that Surfer could drain Hal's ring."

How can they be moot of you ignored them?

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Um no he isn't. He doesn't have to charge, and he doesn't lose power. Two main properties of a battery.
"How do you transmute your self to have TK abilities? why wouldn't he lift it with his ring? I would like to see scans of this.
Shrinking someone doesn't equate to transmutation.
Their absorption abilities have nothing to do with his.
I never said it couldn't be done, I just asked for proof that I haven't and most likely won't be given.
Surfer has absorbed things with greater energy than constructs, such as large blast, and even manipulated and absorbed Quasar's constructs. Quasar is most likely at or above a top tier Gl.
You haven't dealt with the fact that Surfer could drain Hal's ring."
How can they be moot of you ignored them?

Surfer cannot drain hal's ring. no need to argue it. Hal has energy absorbtion abilities. So I can just see that as a tug of war. I don't have the scans of kyle giving himself abilities. I"ll look in the respect threads and see if I can find it. As for that quasar thing, that truly just sounds like bias. There is nothing to suggest quasar is above the top gl's. Thier feats trump his by a sizable margin.You also haven't dealt with the fact that hal could just absorb surfer's entire being into his ring. which is a transmutation and absorbtion feat all in one. Kilowog even managed to absorb and entire planet's worth of souls as well.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer cannot drain hal's ring. no need to argue it. Hal has energy absorbtion abilities. So I can just see that as a tug of war. I don't have the scans of kyle giving himself abilities. I"ll look in the respect threads and see if I can find it. As for that quasar thing, that truly just sounds like bias. There is nothing to suggest quasar is above the top gl's. Thier feats trump his by a sizable margin.You also haven't dealt with the fact that hal could just absorb surfer's entire being into his ring. which is a transmutation and absorbtion feat all in one. Kilowog even managed to absorb and entire planet's worth of souls as well.

Why couldn't he? There is no evidence supporting your claim that Oan energy can't be absorbed, and it's a common fact that all GL rings with they exception of Kyles run out of energy and require charging.

It wouldn't be a tug o war, seeing has ho it would be theoretically impossible for Hal to absorb his own energy.

You do that.

How so? Quasar is an extremely powerful character with a limitless power supply. He's easily just as powerful as any GL.

GL's have one feats that puts them over top tier, and thats Kyle(not your average top tier) shielding a big bang. Not as impressive as defeating?holding off Galactus.

I mentioned before that It could possibly be done, however I wanted proof of this feat and how powerful the character was who was absorbed. However I still have yet to be provided with proof.

Sixth_Winged Senior Member

The Doctor(Authority)
Spectre(depends on which version as some couldn't even be considered as "heroes"😉
Dr. Strange
Dr. Fate
uhmmm....can't think of any more "Standard" heroes

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She didn't manipulate oan energy. She copied it. And she only used it for blast. nothing more.

ur such a liar, she dident just copied it, she absorbed, (in other words manipulated it) it leaving Kyle powerless. Kyle regained power after taking some energies form the Cosmic cube. Read the book again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Surfer cannot drain hal's ring. no need to argue it.

Yes the rings can be drained. Its proven to in the JLA/ Avengers crossover, which u agree that it is cannon after all.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal has energy absorbtion abilities. So I can just see that as a tug of war.

His absorbtion abilities are not in par with surfer.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't have the scans of kyle giving himself abilities. I"ll look in the respect threads and see if I can find it..

Surfer can, over the years has giving himself abilites, e.g. TK, TP, Enhanced strength, shapeshifting, phasing, ect.. he practically displayed every power at various points of his carrier, the PC allows him to to do it just as easy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
As for that quasar thing, that truly just sounds like bias. There is nothing to suggest quasar is above the top gl's.

Quasar is known to manipulate energies, he probally does it more times than not compared Surfer or GL. Surfer has proven already ON PANNEL that he can manipulate Qusars constructs. That said there shouldent be a problem manipulating the ring's energy. It has been proven on pannel that the ring can be drained.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thier feats trump his by a sizable margin.You also haven't dealt with the fact that hal could just absorb surfer's entire being into his ring. which is a transmutation and absorbtion feat all in one.

Likewise, surfer can posibibally leave the ring powerless at the start of the battle, as it been proved that the GL ring can be rendered powerless by absorbtion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Kilowog even managed to absorb and entire planet's worth of souls as well.

Well thats not going to work since Surfer resisited a soul suck form Mesphisto.

Stupid Rookie Senior Member

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um yeah he is. He showed this when he absorbed the power of one sun and was overloaded. Batteries over load. your other points are moot.

SS is not a battery. When he fought Quasar, Q said that no matter how much energy he stole from SS, SS still had more than enough to send him for a loop.

Quasar is an energy absorbtion pimp!

SS's energy is near limitless.

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
SS's energy is near limitless.

that it true, he draws his power form the PC, the PC is every where at all times in the Universe.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Priest
that it true, he draws his power form the PC, the PC is every where at all times in the Universe.

His source of PC isn't completely limitless though, at least I don't think it's ever stated to be. IIRC, the only Herald with an infinite power source is Fallen One.

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Soujaboy
His source of PC isn't completely limitless though, at least I don't think it's ever stated to be. IIRC, the only Herald with an infinite power source is Fallen One.

Theoretically, Surfer has a limitless supply of power, it does make sense 😬
U really want that Fallen One mini, dont you kid

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Priest
Theoretically, Surfer has a limitless supply of power, it does make sense 😬
U really want that Fallen One mini, dont you kid

Yes, yes I do. 🙂

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes, yes I do. 🙂

yea me too, he sounds too interesting for marvel to pass up.
so many questions of his past has not been answered.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Priest
yea me too, he sounds too interesting for marvel to pass up.
so many questions of his past has not been answered.

👆 and he looks raw to.

Priest Senior Member

Originally posted by Soujaboy
👆 and he looks raw to.

so do i think he would be stronger than Surfer?
that would be very interesting seening both of them tangle.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Priest
so do i think he would be stronger than Surfer?
that would be very interesting seening both of them tangle.

I think he was meant to be more powerful than Surfer, however I doubt his feats will show otherwise unless Oeming writes him.

Yes it would be nice to see them tangle, him in any of the upper tier Heralds.

Stupid Rookie Senior Member

Originally posted by Soujaboy
His source of PC isn't completely limitless though, at least I don't think it's ever stated to be. IIRC, the only Herald with an infinite power source is Fallen One.

It may not have been stated on panel, but SS has stated that he draws his power from everything that is. In other words, as long an the Universe still exists, it would seem he would still be able to draw power.