Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Let's face it, I refuse to believe that the majority of genuine Star Wars fans, when asked what they wanted in a game set during the Original films, answered "Lots of Jedi, please." They might ask if they could be Han Solo or Boba Fett, or fly the Millennium Falcon, but not for Jedi-ness as they weren't there.

Only the unreasonable ones asked for that. But they were very loud and repetitive and apparently won out and contributed towards that mess of a game and everyone who wanted the genuine Star Wars experience for all that have been crushed.

Clone Wars was a cartoon and fitted its style very well, but the same excuse does not apply to games that purport to allow you to be one of these things you see on screen. Forget the grossly overpowered books (which certainly have no such excuses anyway); the games are visual, the films are visual, it's about transferring the on-screen experience. Else it's just another random action game.

I guarantee that once they start paying attention to that style again, they'll start making classic games again.

I see your point...but I think is more about preferrence over genuinity fandom.

Jedis are view as superheroes....eventually the fandom will go for the one with the most power.

Me...I just wish I could be an Ewok and shoot down an Imperial ship.

maybe this time you dont start out as a padawan, as typical in most of the SW games...

perhaps you're some unknown jedi master, which would at least meet the crazy force power usage at a halfway point in terms of logic

I still want another Jedi Knight game dernit!... >_<

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I see your point...but I think is more about preferrence over genuinity fandom.

Jedis are view as superheroes....eventually the fandom will go for the one with the most power.

Me...I just wish I could be an Ewok and shoot down an Imperial ship.

The ones with the most power, yes, but in the right setting,. That's why KOTOR is so popular.

In the OT setting, the 'cool' factor goes to Solo and Fett instead.

I know in an OT-era game I'd much rather play as someone similar to those two than a Jedi...Jedi don't belong in the OT. They don't exist in that period, except for a very small number of exceptions.

Like Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda. I wouldn't mind playing as Luke if it HAS to be an OT game with a Jedi.

People don't seem to understand that there WERE Jedi in the OT.

As Sideous said, many Jedi escaped from the Temple with there lives, and it was Vader's job to hunt them down. That's basically what he did in between Episode III and Episode VI, which *gasp*, this game happens to be taking place in, correct?

It'c common knowledge that The Emperor had multiple force sensitive lakeys, Emperor's hands. Mara jade was one of them. I don't see what's so wierd about Vader having a personal force adept underling.

Err, no. There were NO Jedi in the OT other than the ones seen on screen. They are all dead by the time the films started. Aside from the fact that GL said this, Yoda also makes it abundantly clear that Luke is the last Jedi. And as Galaxies is set during the films...

The Emperor having other apprentices has all now been contradicted; the films make it very clear that this is not true- quite aside from, as I say, the weirdness of this Apprentice apparently being much more powerful than Vader.

Originally posted by Blaxican
People don't seem to understand that there WERE Jedi in the OT.

As Sideous said, many Jedi escaped from the Temple with there lives, and it was Vader's job to hunt them down. That's basically what he did in between Episode III and Episode VI, which *gasp*, this game happens to be taking place in, correct?

It'c common knowledge that The Emperor had multiple force sensitive lakeys, Emperor's hands. Mara jade was one of them. I don't see what's so wierd about Vader having a personal force adept underling.

See, all this stuff you're claiming is from EU.

EU is NOT canon. What happens in it is completely irrelevant to the movies and if it contradicts something that's said in the movies or by GL? It loses. Plain and simple. All Jedi/Force users beyond Luke, Obi-wan, Vader, Yoda, and Palpatine were dead by the time of the OT, end of story.

I suspect actually he just got mixed up about complaints levelled at Galaxies.

Originally posted by Lana
See, all this stuff you're claiming is from EU.

EU is NOT canon. What happens in it is completely irrelevant to the movies and if it contradicts something that's said in the movies or by GL? It loses. Plain and simple. All Jedi/Force users beyond Luke, Obi-wan, Vader, Yoda, and Palpatine were dead by the time of the OT, end of story.

Not canon on these Forums you mean? I honestly don't think he cares about what's canon or not.

Well, he's directly said it, about the EU not being in his own universe but parallel, so that's a clue.

Besides, it doesn't matter. Only about 1 in 10 people with an interest in Star Wars have even read the EU. So when targetting the demographic the influence is that of the films.

he ("Ben Kenobi"😉 did say "the jedi are all but extinct" in Ep. IV

so maybe in between III and IV they were still hunting down / finishing up the escapees? (just at the point of IV he knew they were all dead)

I think that would be a good perspective for the player (to take control of a runaway jedi)

Just to be clear here- this new game is set between III and IV. The complaint hgere is about overblown powers and rule-breaking Apprenticeship. No-one is complaining about Jedi.

It is Galaxies that is set during the OT, and blows its continuity out of the water by featuring thousands of Jedi that makes it not in the least bit like the films.

Sorry to play devil`s advocate here, Ush, but EU excuse for having Dark Siders under Empire is that those lackeys were not Sith, lacking the true training and power. But it hardly makes sense anyway when there are dozens force-sensitive Inquisitors hunting Jedi across the galaxy....

Yes, but being Vader's Apprentice kinda knocks that reasoning out...

Of course, although the line never made it into the film, the whole 'Lost Twenty' thing showed that as far as GL was concerned, there were no other Dark Siders at all. Dark Jedi and what-not have always been an entirely EU phenomenon; GL has never used the term.

Originally posted by Blaxican
I don't see what's so wierd about Vader having a personal force adept underling.

Personal underling? shutup

............. 😆

It is one area that your games stray away from George`s vision, Ush, but it allowed for great role-playing experience.

Hmm, but if Vader was thinking about overthrowing the Emperor, recruiting another Darksider would be a good move- he didn`t have the chance alone, he needed Luke in OT. Rule of two is just the custom of current Sith Order- Vader could brake it if he wanted, he was never the type of following rules and customs. Wouldn`t it be broken anyway if Luke joined him at the end of ESB? There is no quarantee that they would be able to immediately kill Palpatine, so there could be three Dark Siders for the time being.

And i think that the main point of the rule of two was allowing Sith to defeat the Jedi, since the Sith infighting would always be their trump card. When Sith finally rule the Galaxy, they can do what they want....

Originally posted by Ushgarak
-overblown powers
-rule-breaking Apprenticeship

they did say the video was merely for internal use.. the powers are subject to change I'm sure.. EU 'did' start that whole trend of "Extreme Force Users"

as for the apprenticeship, I really dont read any EU at all (aside from knowing a few of the characters).. so I cant say anything about those

Originally posted by Lord Melkor
Sorry to play devil`s advocate here, Ush, but EU excuse for having Dark Siders under Empire is that those lackeys were not Sith, lacking the true training and power. But it hardly makes sense anyway when there are dozens force-sensitive Inquisitors hunting Jedi across the galaxy....

Not once throughout the Star Wars films was it ever mentioned that Palpatine had other Force users besides Vader under his control. In fact Tarkin said that Vader was the last of his religion and Tarkin knows basically everything about the Empire so if their was another dark sider Tarkin would have known about it.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Not once throughout the Star Wars films was it ever mentioned that Palpatine had other Force users besides Vader under his control. In fact Tarkin said that Vader was the last of his religion and Tarkin knows basically everything about the Empire so if their was another dark sider Tarkin would have known about it.

I agree with you, I was just trying to state EU`s justification, but it isn`t 100% logical.