Originally posted by General Kaliero
Ergh... Why do they have to do this? The player character STARTING with Lightning? WHY?Not to mention this is breaking the whole Rule of Two thing.
Cause you play as a Dark Jedi/Sith now, it would be stupid throwing a single Dark Jedi against the remnants of the Jedi Order armed with only Force Push or something useless.
Technically, unless the player is a Sith, then its not breaking the Rule...Ventress wasn't a Sith either but she existed as Dooku's apprentice.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Star Wars isn't about destroying everything that comes your way. It's about getting into a crapload of trouble and being clever/lucky enough to get out of it with your skin still on.
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Originally posted by Morridini
If u look at the stuff at http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/gameinfo/news/technology.html then it almost feels like they use this game as a way to test out all the new things they can make. And just throwing in a plot that could have been written by a 13 year old.
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Doesnt sound like much time has been spent plotwise, 'You're a bad guy, go kill stuff with uber powers' - tagline. Just a test run for the new engines. Game still sounds fun though and Ill get it and have fun blowing stuff up.
Wouldnt mind a game set in Legacy timeline hmm
Originally posted by Puzzle
Tech demo video... http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=42397This has nothing to do with the story so enjoy. It gives me hope for the rest of the next gen games, hope they start using these engines.
"Ventress wasn't a Sith either but she existed as Dooku's apprentice."
She wasn't weirdly more powerful than Dooku, and more to the point she wasn't being trained as an Apprentice but specifically was there to die.
As for plot being unimportant- this isn't just plot. It's style. Why make this a Star Wars game at all, if you are going to ignore things that are so important to being Star Wars? Like I say, make it a fantasy game where you are a wizard. Don't take the style from some other genre and force feed it into Star Wars as if it fits.
And it will tell, because when Lucasarts cared so much about their games, in their heady days of fantastic Indiana Jones and Star Wars tie-ins, everything they made was a winner. When they started churning out lazy stuff like this, it was reflected in the quality of the game also. i.e. crap.
Oh they made LOADS of good games. ut I used thos eexamplea as demonstrations of them paying attention to source material.
Heck, they were even criticised for not including Lightsabres in the original Dark Forces. Their excuse? It would be contrary to the Star Wars setting. See, when they made that game they cared. Compare Galaxies- same Original Trilogy setting, thousands of Jedi. The caring stoppd.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
As for plot being unimportant- this isn't just plot. It's style. Why make this a Star Wars game at all, if you are going to ignore things that are so important to being Star Wars? Like I say, make it a fantasy game where you are a wizard. Don't take the style from some other genre and force feed it into Star Wars as if it fits.
Eh, some people like that whole 'its Star Wars but its so far off from proper Star Wars' cause its just silly fun. Force pushing a stormtrooper 3 feet away might be technically accurate in Star Wars lore, but its incredibly boring in a game (eg JK2), and thats all its about, just having fun. Clone Wars cartoon was stupidly off style, but fun to watch. Eventually (or hopefully?) they'll make a proper Star Wars game instead of an interactive anime but people shouldnt worry about videogames reflecting the movies accurately, theres plenty of comics, cartoons etc that blow it up as well, its already got overpowered characters that are cemented into the lore so its too late to argue that they arent doing a good job of representing it. Contradictions are fair enough to argue cause that just shits everyone off when they do that, but you cant forget that you're just playing a game designed for cheap entertainment to kill a few hours.
I can certainly say this:
1. They used to represent it accurately, to good effect
2. They often still claim to be doing so, re: claims made during the making of Outcast
3. I still think, as my posts outline above, there is a direct correlation between the decline of properly representing the experience and the decline in game quality. Sloppy on one, sloppy on the other. It;s just laziness through and through.
Okay, so I'm going to say this right now as to how I think it's going to turn out.
I think, that in terms of fan reception, it's going to be like KOTOR. Game that is only good at best, downright boring and silly at times, but people will treat it as though it's the best game ever created.
However, I'm going to bet that this will be only mediocre. I mean, really. Going around blowing things up? Not SW style at all. Little to no plot? I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Seriously, if I wanted to be a destructive Darkie in SW, I'll just go to the RP forums and actually have a good plot to be insane within...
Originally posted by Lana
Okay, so I'm going to say this right now as to how I think it's going to turn out.I think, that in terms of fan reception, it's going to be like KOTOR. Game that is only good at best, downright boring and silly at times, but people will treat it as though it's the best game ever created.
However, I'm going to bet that this will be only mediocre. I mean, really. Going around blowing things up? Not SW style at all. Little to no plot? I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Seriously, if I wanted to be a destructive Darkie in SW, I'll just go to the RP forums and actually have a good plot to be insane within...
Going to the RP Forums would be a LOT less fun than playing an actual game for most people. 😉
I think it really depends on what content they put in the game.
Honestly, if Galaxies would have excluded the Jedi from the game it prolly wouldn't have sucked.
When asked why they makers included them....they said because "fans" demanded.
So you see... if the fans demand too much from a SW game...there is going to be clash of ideas.
As My Grand Poppa used to say...."Too many cooks ruin the soup."
Let's face it, I refuse to believe that the majority of genuine Star Wars fans, when asked what they wanted in a game set during the Original films, answered "Lots of Jedi, please." They might ask if they could be Han Solo or Boba Fett, or fly the Millennium Falcon, but not for Jedi-ness as they weren't there.
Only the unreasonable ones asked for that. But they were very loud and repetitive and apparently won out and contributed towards that mess of a game and everyone who wanted the genuine Star Wars experience for all that have been crushed.
Clone Wars was a cartoon and fitted its style very well, but the same excuse does not apply to games that purport to allow you to be one of these things you see on screen. Forget the grossly overpowered books (which certainly have no such excuses anyway); the games are visual, the films are visual, it's about transferring the on-screen experience. Else it's just another random action game.
I guarantee that once they start paying attention to that style again, they'll start making classic games again.
I watched the teaser and it didn't seem like Star Wars to me. I mean they threw a dude into a Tie Fighter and destroyed it. They caused shock waves that whipped out storm troopers left and right and destroyed the room as well.
And this is set during the OT? That's not what I want!! If you set a game during the OT let me play as Luke or Han or Boba or just some made up non-Jedi like Kyle (who wasn't a Jedi during Shadows of the Empire).