Test your own Morality

So the question, essentially, is "Would you kill a baby if the benefits outweighed the disadvantages?"

I think I would have a problem taking life, period. I don't see how a baby's life is worth more than mine. I don't see how killing Hitler as a baby, as a 9 year old, as a 24 year old, or as a 46 year old is different. You're murdering a person.

Even with the knowledge of the killing of baby Adolf would save millions of people, I don't think I could do it. I'd be killing and I think, once someone kills, that person has changed inside.

Originally posted by The Libertine
😱 A thread about Hitler.....

He's evil.

I don't believe that a person is good or evil, but the path they are on is good or evil. The actions a person does is good or evil, and their actions are result of their karma.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe that a person is good or evil, but the path they are on is good or evil. The actions a person does is good or evil, and their actions are result of their karma.

You don'tbelieve in Evil.........

What are you Budha or something?

Originally posted by The Libertine
You don'tbelieve in Evil.........

What are you Budha or something?

What do you mean when you ask me if I believe in evil?
Good and evil are descriptors. They help us understand the effects of certain causes.

No, I am not Buddha, he died ~3000 years ago, however, I am a Buddhist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I am not Buddha, he died ~3000 years ago, however, I am a Buddhist.

That explains it grasshopper.

Originally posted by The Libertine
That explains it grasshopper.

Are you a blind, old monk? 😂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you a blind, old monk? 😂

😖hifty: shhhsh it's a secret. I have found "oneness" before and that can make you go blind.

Originally posted by The Libertine
😖hifty: shhhsh it's a secret. I have found "oneness" before and that can make you go blind.

I thought it was excessive 131wank that did that. 😂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I thought it was excessive "oneness" that did that. 😂

🙂 Yes it is enlightening

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe that a person is good or evil, but the path they are on is good or evil. The actions a person does is good or evil, and their actions are result of their karma.

But isn't there karma the result of their actions.

Have we got a what came first chicken or egg predicement here?

Originally posted by Help
But isn't there karma the result of their actions.

Have we got a what came first chicken or egg predicement here?

Karma is the result of their actions, but it is their karma that is evil and not the person. A person can change their karma by creating good karma.

Have we got a what came first chicken or egg predicement here?

oh snap. We had a 50 page discussion on this topic a few years ago......... it was the egg. Completely off topic I know but you just reminded me of that.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
oh snap. We had a 50 page discussion on this topic a few years ago......... it was the egg. Completely off topic I know but you just reminded me of that.

Now, stop that. 😆

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, for several reasons.

Firstly, Hitler was not the sole reason for the begining of WWII. If willson's 14 points were taken into account by the Allies, and the GErmany was not so brutalised after WWI, the chances of Hitler coming into power are slimer.
There are numerous factors which brought about holocaust, and it wasn;t just the idea that Hitler existed. The situation is just too complex.

Umm...Lil B, we've been through this already...under the premise that killing Hitler would prevent the Holocaust would you do it or not ?

The point to this thread is to test how far you would go to stop something evil. Arguing about whether or not Hitler was the most necessary component for the Holocaust (NOT WWI or WWII) is irrelevant.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Furthermore, as already been said, there were lessons for humanity to learn from Holocaust.

This has been said already, but why ?

1) What lessons were learned ? You guys keep talking about it, but you never actually describe what you are trying to say...

2) And secondly, whatever these lessons are, is our knowledge of them worth and equal to the unspeakable suffering that the Holocause victims went through?

I know one thing for certain....i could care less what lesson my torment teaches nebody....i aint gonna fkn allow myself to be tormented just so someone else can learn from my pain.

I seriously doubt the Holocaust victims gave a sh*t who learned what from thier torture.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) What lessons were learned ? You guys keep talking about it, but you never actually describe what you are trying to say...

Again, that is not true.

The western world did not participate in any war remotely on that scale. Anti-Semitism has decreased. Most of Europe and the US and many other Western Countries, work together peacefully, there hasn't been anything close to a war between them since. War itself is generally seen as wrong, pacifism is on the uprising.

There's just a shitload of good that came from the Holocaust and World War 2, you can't just deny that, would you like to live in a pre-world-war 2 environment? Seriously?

Among other things, the United Nations approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention establishes genocide as an international crime, which signatory nations undertake to prevent and punish.

But it is more interesting to put together some research yourself, and venture into the matter.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, that is not true.

What is not true ? No one specified until now...you are the only person who answered that question as of now (and Storm 2)

Originally posted by Bardock42
The western world did not participate in any war remotely on that scale. Anti-Semitism has decreased. Most of Europe and the US and many other Western Countries, work together peacefully, there hasn't been anything close to a war between them since. War itself is generally seen as wrong, pacifism is on the uprising.

1) Where has Anti Semitism decreased ? If you are talking about Europe and United States there are far more factors which contributed to the decrease in discriminaton against Jews. But yes, the Holocaust played a major role in that, in helping the rest of us reflect on our own hatred.

However, I don't think many of the Arab nations learned anything from the Holocaust, as Anti-Semitism is just as great as it ever was there.

2) The reason there hasn't been a war on that scale is because we have nuclear power now. When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that pretty much showed everyone who was boss.

The world is collectively doing thier best to avoid another world war, because this time the destruction would be far worse. Nuclear warfare is the easiest way to destroy our human race, and so far...very few want to test that.

I doubt that Kim Jong, Saddam Hussien, and Osama Bin Ladin feel any pity or learned anything from the Holocaust (maybe they learned how many ashes you get when you fry a Jew)

Originally posted by Bardock42
There's just a shitload of good that came from the Holocaust and World War 2, you can't just deny that, would you like to live in a pre-world-war 2 environment? Seriously?

I think the good that came from the Holocaust does not outweigh or justify the bad. And the "good" that you claim is a direct cause of the Holocaust has so many other factors involved in its making.

Holocaust may have shocked us out of our lack of empathy and sped up the process of change, but those changes you mentioned have other major causes as well.

So you named a few goods...

-decrease in Anti-Semitism
-global effort to avoid another world war

Okay....let's name the bad that came from the Holocaust:

-millions of people dead
-families separated and humiliated
-people having thier genitals cut off
-people frying in ovens
-people starving to death
-people dying with thier organs exposed to the air
-infants being used for target practice
-people having thier teeth and jaws broken
-people having thier hands and other limbs broken or cut off
-people dying of severe cold
-pregnant women being frozen to death
-pregnant women being experimented on
-people being skinned alive
-people being impaled
-etc.

Unspeakable varities of pain and suffering.....I don't know about you, but I'd expect far more social advances and peaceful relations than we have today as a result from our "lessons learned"

The point to this thread is to test how far you would go to stop something evil. Arguing about whether or not Hitler was the most necessary component for the Holocaust (NOT WWI or WWII) is irrelevant.

no it's not. Nothing on this earth is universally evil. Good and evil are relative to each individual. You are really asking how far people would go to prevent something that YOU decide is evil. You then give the thread a title like, "test your morality".......where again I assume that you shall be the judge of people's responses based on your own conception of good or evil.

you see a man doing "evil, boogy boogy"........I see a man with great power and responsibility making decisions he thought best for his country........while I don't agree with them.....I do believe he was doing what HE thought was best, which was his job. I can not relate to the power or responsibility he had......nor to the morals he lived his life by and how they interacted with one another. All I can say is I wouldn't have made the same decisions...........not punish him to death because he didn't do what I would have. There are millions of people daily who make decisions I myself would not make.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
no it's not.

Yes it is. This isn't about a history lesson. This is about how far you would go to prevent something you thnk is evil. If you do not think what Hitler did was evil, then you can easily say, "I'd do nothing, because I don't think what he did was wrong"

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Nothing on this earth is universally evil.

Is that a fact ?

How do you know ?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Good and evil are relative to each individual. You are really asking how far people would go to prevent something that YOU decide is evil.

If you think it was evil, then how far would you go to stop it...that's all. IF you don't think it was evil, then that's another story..you are free to say " i dont think what he did was evil", therefore I wouldn't stop it.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
You then give the thread a title like, "test your morality".......where again I assume that you shall be the judge of people's responses based on your own conception of good or evil.

Where the f*ck are you getting this from ?

Get your head outta your ass...I'm not here to judge. I'm here to know what people give more value to...the life of one human infant, or the lives of over a million people...and why...

That's all...the rest of you are getting all stupid with technicalities. That's why I intervened with some of the answers.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
you see a man doing "evil, boogy boogy"........I see a man with great power and responsibility making decisions he thought best for his country........while I don't agree with them.....I do believe he was doing what HE thought was best, which was his job. I can not relate to the power or responsibility he had......nor to the morals he lived his life by and how they interacted with one another. All I can say is I wouldn't have made the same decisions...........not punish him to death because he didn't do what I would have. There are millions of people daily who make decisions I myself would not make.

So you wouldn't kill him....that's fine. I wouldn't either, but for different reasons.

Your semantics were unnecessary and irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mindship
Take 2:

So far, everyone's been basically giving the same kind of answer, some variation of: "I wouldn't kill Hitler because no one knows what the consequences of intervening would be, that something worse might happen."

IMO, this answer addresses a peripheral issue--perhaps even a loophole--and I don't know if that was the original intent of the question. But now I'm curious: what if this loophole was Not a concern...

Given the above, now what would be your answer?

No, is the answer again.

By killing Hitler you become no better than he is. You are assuming his role. He killed Jews because of some kind of morality of his. He certainly didn't do it for the heck of it.