Akuma vs Ayane

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Read my post again, carefully. I criticized you for resorting to insults after I've presented facts. I didn't criticize you of using insults for any other reason.

I'll insult you if you insult me first. Plain and simple. Plus, it's frustrating having to deal with someone like you. What do you expect?

I didn't insult you for presenting facts, I insulted you after you insulted me. I never insult first. Because I don't let it get to me. You remind me of Jinzin alot. (no offense jinzin, I really love ya).

Not to mention you keep insulting other members who haven't even said anything to you. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So calling me a thick-headed fool, and other things is ok.

I didn't insult you for presenting facts, I insulted you after you insulted me. I never insult first. Because I don't let it get to me. You remind me of Jinzin alot.

Not to mention you keep insulting other members who haven't even said anything to you. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
An ignorant, pointless, and annoying opponent to deal with.

Nope, I'm pretty sure you were the first to insult.

Which members have I insulted that I haven't spoken to? Refresh my memory.

Orr... you could go to the page before where you started with the whole condenscending and insulting post of...

"No need for that since I know pretty much all there is to know about Rugal as of now. I suggest that you learn more about Ryu's potential and learn exactly what his weapon is, what it was made for, and the challenges that he already faced, before posting a useless rebuttal."

And in this thread, I wasn't even talking to you so it was definitely you.

Second part.

Not that you haven't talked to, I should rephrase that, members that aren't involved with our discussion. Why do you keep insulting the two of whom you and I know I'm takling about...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Orr... you could go to the page before where you started with the whole condenscending and insulting post of...

"No need for that since I know pretty much all there is to know about Rugal as of now. I suggest that you learn more about Ryu's potential and learn exactly what his weapon is, what it was made for, and the challenges that he already faced, before posting a useless rebuttal."

And in this thread, I wasn't even talking to you so it was definitely you.

Second part.

Not that you haven't talked to, I should rephrase that, members that aren't involved with our discussion. Why do you keep insulting the two of whom you and I know I'm takling about...

If I started saying shit about you, I wouldn't criticize you for insulting me for that reason. It's that simple.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Where have I insulted you in that excerpt? Plus, I know I insulted you first in this thread, though it was for a good reason. You keep saying that I lie and all this other bullcrap.

If I started saying shit about you, I wouldn't criticize you for insulting me for that reason. It's that simple.

And let's let it go here. Man, that was easy.

Originally posted by Remulous
My point is good old Ashtar, what feats has Haybusa done(with out his sword) that leads me to believe he is more durable than a mountain or a comet? Since when could Hayabusa lift several tons? Gen Fu can not touch people and kill

I said Gen Fu kill with a blow not a touch, and please stop bringing up that comet feat it's not canon. Your missing my point, neither: Gen, Oro, or Gouken had comparable feats and somehow managed to either stalemate or earn a decisive blow against gouki. So, why can't hayabusa?

Originally posted by Remulous

So you think Hayabusa can hold his own against the entire KOF 95 cast, with his bare hands, with his own chi, not Nimpo?

Rugal jobbing the cast of kof is bad writing in my opinion, because right after doing that he almost lost to kyo. So, according to SNK Kyo>Rugal>KOF 95' rooster 😕

Originally posted by Remulous

Yor seriously think Hayabusa can beat Gouki in H2H? IMO, in H2H Hayabusa can't even beat Iori.

So despite having :

-Superior Speed
-Ninpou (Something that's been ignored)
-Supreme evasion skills

Why can't he stand a chance or win?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Look, I honestly don't think Haya can win without the sword... he hasn't really demonstrated anything that Akuma hasn't dealt with before, why don't you tell us why you think he should win?

I never said he will win, I just believe he might win. And since when has gouki fought legions of monsters, An entire military force, and Giant monsters of epic proportions?

EDit: Sorry for the double post.

Most of that was an act of PIS due to his weapons... When has Busa done this without his weapons?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Most of that was an act of PIS due to his weapons... When has Busa done this without his weapons?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I said Gen Fu kill with a blow not a touch, and please stop bringing up that comet feat it's not canon. Your missing my point, neither: Gen, Oro, or Gouken had comparable feats and somehow managed to either stalemate or earn a decisive blow against gouki. So, why can't hayabusa?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Rugal jobbing the cast of kof is bad writing in my opinion, because right after doing that he almost lost to kyo. So, according to SNK Kyo>Rugal>KOF 95' rooster 😕

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So despite having :

-Superior Speed
-Ninpou (Something that's been ignored)
-Supreme evasion skills

Why can't he stand a chance or win?

Nimpo is not natural, nor is it chi

What proof do you have that Haybusa's evasion skills are better? Why wouldn't Gouki have supreme evasion skills, the guy has been training and fighting far longer then Haybusa. Hayabusa is just suppose to be faster and sharper because he's a DOA ninja, huh?

What has Haybusa accomplished with out his sword that Gouki could not?

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Bankotsu is more powerful than the monsters in NG, and Ryu killed him in H2H.

Yes, but there where hordes of 'em. And last time I checked, Mr. Bo wasn't capable of blowing away planets with single attacks like the DD, or the VE.

Besides, I already said that Ryu wins with his PIS filled swords, but not in H2H.

Ryu has ki/chi-based attacks. The attack he uses in DOA4 isn't a spell, it's his chi. Also, some ninpo techniques are based on ki/chi/etc., some are magical spells. i.e., Inazuma allows the user to amplify his or her bioelectric current and blast it out to the surrounding area. Ice Storm is a spell that allows the user to change the atmosphere around him/her. All of the ultimate techniques in NG are powered up by Ryu's spiritual energy, and/or spiritual essence in the vicinity.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, but there where hordes of 'em. And last time I checked, Mr. Bo wasn't capable of blowing away planets with single attacks like the DD, or the VE.

Besides, I already said that Ryu wins with his swords, but not in H2H.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Ditto.

please don't try to correctmy posts by misquoting them, IMO Ryu's swords are Plot Devices...

I don't see how they are...

They are plot devices because they are used to enhance the plot in a method he himself couldn't do on his own.

For example, the DD, Ryu couldn't defeat it without the TDS. Nor is Ryu anywhere near as powerful without them.

Kyo did not beat Rugal in 95'. He was losing along with everyone else. Rugal self-destructed. Bankotsu? Please, don't bring of the pathetic weaklings DOA calls bosses into this. Geese would kill Bankotsu easily. And we already argued and proved that even his PIS filled swords wouldn't save him from God Rugal.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And we already argued and proved that even his PIS filled swords wouldn't save him from God Rugal.

I don't recall this... I thought it was H2H that you prooved fallable.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And we already argued and proved that even his PIS filled swords wouldn't save him from God Rugal.

*Cough* No. Maybe in your own little fantasy world. However he does get slaughtered in a hand to hand match against G. Rugal.

BTW stop whinning about the PIS filled swords. Ryu would kill him even if he strictly used the Kitetsu.

Originally posted by Remulous
Gen Fu can not kill with a blow. The comet feat may not be canon but it has been prooven that he is capable, even without the comet feat, he still out classes Hayabusa. ?

Gen fu can kill with ablow, and the comet feat is not canon. Please stop mentioning it, it's against the rules.

Originally posted by Remulous

The people Gouki fought are strong as well and are capable of similar and better feats. They [COLOR=red]CAN split a mountains and sink islands if they wanted to[/COLOR]

That's PURE Speculation, none of them has ever demonstrated any skill that indicated otherwise.

Originally posted by Remulous

[COLOR=green]What proof do you have that Hayabusa is faster. Ryu is able to dodge bullets and Gouki is several times faster then Ryu was. ?

Hayabusa with speed can:

-Run on water
-Run on walls
-Leave after images
-Block bullets from multiple automatic firearms
-Dissapear with pure speed

Originally posted by Remulous

Nimpo is not natural, nor is it chi ?

Yes it is, ninpo is ki manipulation. It's called kuji-in, a types of techniques which originated from the yamabushi and moutain hermits. There many different types of Ki in japanese martial arts and mysticism. Such as: Rei-Ki, Ai-Ki,Sai-Ki and etc.

Originally posted by Remulous

What proof do you have that Haybusa's evasion skills are better? Why wouldn't Gouki have supreme evasion skills, the guy has been training and fighting far longer then Haybusa.

So, because he's been training longer he has better evasion?

Originally posted by Remulous

Hayabusa is just suppose to be faster and sharper because he's a DOA ninja, huh??

Originally posted by Remulous

What has Haybusa accomplished with out his sword that Gouki could not?

How about ddefeating tengu, a being that covered the planet in a cloud of choas.