How am I underating the Lich King?
He is powerful, I know that. As Blizzard have said themselves, one of the most powerful characters on Azeroth was born. Yes, he is powerful. One of the most powerful CURRENT characters on Azeroth.
He is not even near the most powerful character that have walked Azeroth. The pantheon has been there. Archimonde has been there. Medivh, Khadgar and Aegwynn has been there. The five aspects has been there.
Lich King can barely make it to top ten in AZEROTH history.
Originally posted by Burning thought
exactley MadmelFuddle i think its [B]you
with dreams of Killy becoming near omnipotent will be disapointed and it will probably be you who feels stunned when Blizzard decide to throw Killy against the wall and have LK destroy the last general of the Burning legionyou do not for all your book knowledge that you apprently have, have a grasp on the character that is the Lich King, also what do you mean Godlike? in Warcraft lore, technically LK is a God [/B]
I do not dream he will be omnipotent. I really hope that not he, nor anyone else in the warcraft world will ever become omnipotent. Kil'Jaeden is thrown into the new expansion, yes. You will intercept Kael'Thas before the summon is complete and battle a shade or so of Kil'Jaeden.
Technically, Lich King is a demi-God. Ragnaros too was worshipped, but he was not considered a God. At its prime, Ragnaros was a demi-God. I did not mean it like that at all, but you seem to think of Lich King as one of the most powerful character in Warcraft history. You say he match Kil'Jaeden, when he would not even be able to match Archimonde.
official texts such as the Warcraft 3 manual refer to him as the "godlike Lich King".
also technically he is a God, all it takes to be a God is two things, immortaity the Lich King has, and Worship, which he has in the Cult of the Damned. So technically he is a God
He could easily be one of the most powerful in Warcraft history, most of the strongest beings on the world are still on it, if he is counted among the strongest, then hell that makes him possibly even Old God level as they currently are, or Aspect level (although thats a bit low imo)
you say it with such definance that i think is foolish, he cannot match Archimonde? hes never battled Archimonde, who was destroyed by Earth powers summoned by Malfurion
your overhyping Eredar to insane levels who are simply incredibly clever and use illusions to play on the fears of enemies
Godlike? Maybe. He has the potentials. God? Not from my point of view.
Lich King is served, not worshipped. The Cult is under his command and I am not sure that is enough to make him a God. However, this has not yet been verified by Blizzard but I do not think he is a complete God. It takes a lot to become a God. Ragnaros is worshiped by hordes of people but he is no God. What would make Lich King different? Ragnaros is also immortal.
Most of the strongest beings? Like who? The Old Gods are banished. C'thun is FAAAAAR from his old self. Neltharion, Nozdormu and Ysera is not technically on Azeroth. Being aspect level is not low, but I do not think he exceed even that.
Earth powers? Malfurion summoned forth the ancestors of nature, used the power of nature to its full extent. He used the horn of Cenarius to bring them forth and created a blast powerful enough to annhiliate all near life. It is not a simple nature attack.
Overhyping? You are overhyping Ner'Zhul and the potentials of Lich King. What you just said rates him to titan/Old God level.
Originally posted by Fuddle
Godlike? Maybe. He has the potentials. God? Not from my point of view.Lich King is served, not worshipped. The Cult is under his command and I am not sure that is enough to make him a God. However, this has not yet been verified by Blizzard but I do not think he is a complete God. It takes a lot to become a God. Ragnaros is worshiped by hordes of people but he is no God. What would make Lich King different? Ragnaros is also immortal.
Most of the strongest beings? Like who? The Old Gods are banished. C'thun is FAAAAAR from his old self. Neltharion, Nozdormu and Ysera is not technically on Azeroth. Being aspect level is not low, but I do not think he exceed even that.
Earth powers? Malfurion summoned forth the ancestors of nature, used the power of nature to its full extent. He used the horn of Cenarius to bring them forth and created a blast powerful enough to annhiliate all near life. It is not a simple nature attack.
Overhyping? You are overhyping Ner'Zhul and the potentials of Lich King. What you just said rates him to titan/Old God level.
Old God level perhaps, their currently as you said weakened greatly from before and going only by WoW difficulty he obviusly is far far more powerful than current Old Gods.
They serve and worship him, they are like fanatics some of the cult members, their not simply pawns taking orders they seem devoted to those orders even enough to sacrifce themselves. Nothing, Technically even if he is not considered, Ragnaros according to the rules of Worship and Immortality Ragnaros should be a God.
the Old Gods are still sentient, as you say Weakened massively but they are stil there as are the aspects, Malygos is in Northrend itself apprently
i did not say it was not powerful, but Lich King i quite strongly belive is>>>Malfurions power, especially now he is fusion, number the beings who are officially named Strongest on all of Azeroth, there are not huge numbers and i am quite sure no matter what books ive not read Malfurion is never named such, i doubt that Earth power attack is beyond anything LK can do.
as i said, Old Gods are weak now, he coud possibly be equel to their current forms. Also what did i say that rates him such as Titan, i never said anything about titans, the current old gods are nothing on Titans.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Old God level perhaps, their currently as you said weakened greatly from before and going only by WoW difficulty he obviusly is far far more powerful than current Old Gods.They serve and worship him, they are like fanatics some of the cult members, their not simply pawns taking orders they seem devoted to those orders even enough to sacrifce themselves. Nothing, Technically even if he is not considered, Ragnaros according to the rules of Worship and Immortality Ragnaros should be a God.
the Old Gods are still sentient, as you say Weakened massively but they are stil there as are the aspects, Malygos is in Northrend itself apprently
i did not say it was not powerful, but Lich King i quite strongly belive is>>>Malfurions power, especially now he is fusion, number the beings who are officially named Strongest on all of Azeroth, there are not huge numbers and i am quite sure no matter what books ive not read Malfurion is never named such, i doubt that Earth power attack is beyond anything LK can do.
as i said, Old Gods are weak now, he coud possibly be equel to their current forms. Also what did i say that rates him such as Titan, i never said anything about titans, the current old gods are nothing on Titans.
C'thun being the only Old God on Azeroth, and he is weakened. This does not by default make Lich King of Old God level.
The Ragnaros worshippers are too fanatics, but that have not made Ragnaros God. I know that a God has to be immortal and Worshipped, but I believe that there is more to being a God than that. Otherwise we would have a lot of Gods running around. People get worshipped everywhere, and every Night Elf is immortal and therefore has God potentials. There has to be more to it than those two, or Ragnaros and many others would be considered Gods.
Hakkar is a God. Elune is a God. Legba is a God. Ogoun is a God. An'she is a God.
Ragnaros is not a God. I do not know what differ them from eachother, but I know that there takes something extra to become a God.
I know Malygos is in Northrend, and you get help from Alexstrasza to beat him.
Malfurion could never match with Lich King in power, I know this. But the power that defeated Archimonde was not Malfurion's. Malorne could not even scratch Archimonde before he was defeated and I doubt Malfurion could even scratch Malorne.
The Old Gods are a lot like the Titans. An Old God more or less match a Titan in strength.
Originally posted by Fuddle
C'thun being the only Old God on Azeroth, and he is weakened. This does not by default make Lich King of Old God level.The Ragnaros worshippers are too fanatics, but that have not made Ragnaros God. I know that a God has to be immortal and Worshipped, but I believe that there is more to being a God than that. Otherwise we would have a lot of Gods running around. People get worshipped everywhere, and every Night Elf is immortal and therefore has God potentials. There has to be more to it than those two, or Ragnaros and many others would be considered Gods.
Hakkar is a God. Elune is a God. Legba is a God. Ogoun is a God. An'she is a God.
Ragnaros is not a God. I do not know what differ them from eachother, but I know that there takes something extra to become a God.
I know Malygos is in Northrend, and you get help from Alexstrasza to beat him.
Malfurion could never match with Lich King in power, I know this. But the power that defeated Archimonde was not Malfurion's. Malorne could not even scratch Archimonde before he was defeated and I doubt Malfurion could even scratch Malorne.
The Old Gods are a lot like the Titans. An Old God more or less match a Titan in strength.
fair enough on most points but i was not neccerily putting him on Old god level but his rank of one of the strongest on Azeroth "can" put him on the current level of an Old god or Aspects.
however Old Gods are powerful, but only in their prime, before the current time period, it was said that Sargerus i think was extremely fearful of the 5 old Gods, which is quite large meaning.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Ragnaros is God-level in power at 100% he fought in the war between the Titan and Old gods. Ragnaros full power is beyond Kil'jaeden and the Lich King.Sargeras is probably more powerful than any ONE of the old gods.
Indeed. Ragnaros fought direct combat with the Titans in the front lines at his strongest. However, even if he hold strength like the average God, he is no God.
Originally posted by Fuddle
Of course Sargeras feared the five Old Gods. No sane person would NOT fear the five Old Gods 🙂I believe that Sargeras could take on any one Old God and walk out relativly unharmed. However, two or more would intensify everything.
Yes indeedy
Originally posted by Fuddle
Indeed. Ragnaros fought direct combat with the Titans in the front lines at his strongest. However, even if he hold strength like the average God, he is no God.
God is a title 😛 Ragnaros held power beyond most gods.
and he might be, he is the greatest fire elemental is he not?
indeed at full power Raggy is likely be able to stomp both, (at least physically)
God ofcourse is only a title, it does not show a level of power and according to blizzards own rules you only need to be immortal and worshipped, so....wether it takes more or not i dont know and i cannt explain why Raggy is not called a God but its certainly only a title so its irrelevent really.
and indeed as Angel says, his power would basically be equel or beat most of the current Gods.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Random thought Kyuubi no Kitsune VS Full power Ragnaros......When i say god from this point on, unless stated withwise i mean at god-level in power. Titles are just confusing, alright?
indeed and titles are pointless, ofc since God is a title, how does God level power make it even less confusing, or do you mean on the level of most current Warcraft Gods
according to utriga, Elune the Goddess is no greater than Malorn
Originally posted by Burning thought
indeed and titles are pointless, ofc since God is a title, how does God level power make it even less confusing, or do you mean on the level of most current Warcraft Godsaccording to utriga, Elune the Goddess is no greater than Malorn
Elune? she's stronger than Malorn, he's not terribly powerful.
Though compared to other gods, if she were forced to fight she is on the low of of the stick. Her powers of peace are awesome though 😊
I mean on god power level, bit less than full Rag-man (i thought of that myself 😛)
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Elune? she's stronger than Malorn, he's not terribly powerful.Though compared to other gods, if she were forced to fight she is on the low of of the stick. Her powers of peace are awesome though 😊
I mean on god power level, bit less than full Rag-man (i thought of that myself 😛)
well thats what i thought, i doubt Malorn is anything on Elune but somehow utriga thinks she is, considering i have not read the books and dont know a huge amount on mr white stag or the moon goddess ime not sure
i prob missed your cleverness, all i think of when you said "Rag-man" is Sacrifice 😛
Originally posted by Burning thought
well thats what i thought, i doubt Malorn is anything on Elune but somehow utriga thinks she is, considering i have not read the books and dont know a huge amount on mr white stag or the moon goddess ime not surei prob missed your cleverness, all i think of when you said "Rag-man" is Sacrifice 😛
Lol you got it 😛 Rag-man, also a way of shortening Ragnaros 😊
I didn't mean Marlorne isn't powerful, but he's not much of Elune