Kil'jaeden vs Lichking

Originally posted by Utrigita
Would love to post it for you but I doesn't have a scanner hope I get one for christmas.

btw read before you post

Though the Manual of Monsters does not explicitly state the Lich King's class levels, and stats for the non-merged Arthas and Ner'zhul were never officially published

Class Levels... are not mentioned but stats such as intelligence health point etc is classes is what Necromancer for instance and frankly I couldn't care less about his character class All I'm interested in is his overall stats, spells and Abilities, and it is the stats for A NON-MERGED Arthas and a NON-MERGED Lich King that never has been officially published 🙂

yes but is that not stats from an RPG, thats not really very good evidence considering its gameplay, no more than the numbers and such for the actual game

we need proper lore

Originally posted by Utrigita
Would love to post it for you but I doesn't have a scanner hope I get one for christmas.

btw read before you post

Though the Manual of Monsters does not explicitly state the Lich King's class levels, and stats for the non-merged Arthas and Ner'zhul were never officially published

Class Levels... are not mentioned but stats such as intelligence health point etc is classes is what Necromancer for instance and frankly I couldn't care less about his character class All I'm interested in is his overall stats, spells and Abilities, and it is the stats for A NON-MERGED Arthas and a NON-MERGED Lich King that never has been officially published 🙂

Right but it's leveling characters from games pre wc3. They don't have levels pre wc3. So yeah.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes but is that not stats from an RPG, thats not really very good evidence considering its gameplay, no more than the numbers and such for the actual game

we need proper lore

http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki😛olicy/Writing/Lore#Official_sources_of_lore

All official sources of lore are considered valid.
This includes the games and the manuals, the novels, the manga, and the RPG books.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Right but it's leveling characters from games pre wc3. They don't have levels pre wc3. So yeah.....

I don't understand a word of that are you saying that the handbook doesn't have beings descripted that was around after Warcraft 3??? ore what???

Ner'zhul the Orc is only an orc during and pre Warcraft 2, there are no levels then, the game isn't that advance yet.

=== Ner'zhul ===
Fighter 1
He sensed a spiritual connection in himself.
Healer 4
He continued his spiritual advancement.
Shaman 10
He was corrupted by fel magic. Through epic power he was turned from a 15th level character directly into a 35th level Lich. He acquired 20 levels of specialist Wizard and the Lich template at the same time. Can’t get that with some ordinary wish eh!? =P

It's impssible to judge anything from infomation you can't read, like this

Originally posted by Utrigita
http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki😛olicy/Writing/Lore#Official_sources_of_lore

All official sources of lore are considered valid.
This includes the games and the manuals, the novels, the manga, and the RPG books.

yes but not the gameplay parts, it says the RPG books as in story, just because in the game lich king has X amount of life and does X amount of damage does not mean anything in lore, same with the extent of his powers, their gaming terms, if some actual story and lore is in the RPG books then thats diffrent but what you showed us was a list of gaming abilities he is given

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Ner'zhul the Orc is only an orc during and pre Warcraft 2, there are no levels then, the game isn't that advance yet.

=== Ner'zhul ===
Fighter 1
He sensed a spiritual connection in himself.
Healer 4
He continued his spiritual advancement.
Shaman 10
He was corrupted by fel magic. Through epic power he was turned from a 15th level character directly into a 35th level Lich. He acquired 20 levels of specialist Wizard and the Lich template at the same time. Can’t get that with some ordinary wish eh!? =P

It's impssible to judge anything from infomation you can't read, like this

All I can say is that it certainly isn't descripted that way in the book also those feats that you listed was mentioned by Bob Fitch and with all respect for Bob Fitch he according to the Blizzards way at look at lore isn't reliable.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes but not the gameplay parts, it says the RPG books as in story, just because in the game lich king has X amount of life and does X amount of damage does not mean anything in lore, same with the extent of his powers, their gaming terms, if some actual story and lore is in the RPG books then thats diffrent but what you showed us was a list of gaming abilities he is given

Gaming abilities according to Bob Fitch (see Bob fitch above and the link). In Manual of Monster the Lich King is said to have Mind Blast ( he has a lot of mind based attacks) which deals out a good amount a damage and it isn't mentioned in the Gameplay. The abilities and spells in the Manual of Monsters are very different from the impression given on the link that merely was posted to show that Manual of monsters contained information regarding the Lich King and that I in combination with Shadows and light from that information concluded that the Lich King was below Kil'Jaeden.

Kil'jaeden Will win the only real power the lich king has was givin to him by Kil Arthus lost his palidin power through frostmourne. The fact that kil sent illidan to kill nerzhul tells me that he wouldn't even dirty his hands in a pathetic fight when he is searching for his old friend now nemesis. THAT ISN"T NERZHUL.

Do you really think a demonlord would give a rival an equal power to himself let alone allow that rival to gain power above him. Kil wants the world distracted and in chaos. Illidan is his pawn/distraction. the more that hero's die in the lore leaves less for kil to deal with. failures and successful plans all work in his favor. The more life taken from the planet the weaker the guardian is. remember where the guardian and the night elves get their power. the tree is now powerless and life on the planet is destroying itself.. all the energy of the titans sacred planet is withering. even nerzhul betraying kil is still helping the legion without realizing it.

Originally posted by Shlott
Kil'jaeden Will win the only real power the lich king has was givin to him by Kil Arthus lost his palidin power through frostmourne. The fact that kil sent illidan to kill nerzhul tells me that he wouldn't even dirty his hands in a pathetic fight when he is searching for his old friend now nemesis. THAT ISN"T NERZHUL.

Do you really think a demonlord would give a rival an equal power to himself let alone allow that rival to gain power above him. Kil wants the world distracted and in chaos. Illidan is his pawn/distraction. the more that hero's die in the lore leaves less for kil to deal with. failures and successful plans all work in his favor. The more life taken from the planet the weaker the guardian is. remember where the guardian and the night elves get their power. the tree is now powerless and life on the planet is destroying itself.. all the energy of the titans sacred planet is withering. even nerzhul betraying kil is still helping the legion without realizing it.

I don't disagree with you. But i'm sure i read somwhere the amount of The Lich King's power is greater than Kil'Jaeden thought it was

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I don't disagree with you. But i'm sure i read somwhere the amount of The Lich King's power is greater than Kil'Jaeden thought it was

Greater than Kil'Jaeden expected, yes.
Greater than Kil'Jaedens? No 😛

Originally posted by Shlott
Kil'jaeden Will win the only real power the lich king has was givin to him by Kil Arthus lost his palidin power through frostmourne. The fact that kil sent illidan to kill nerzhul tells me that he wouldn't even dirty his hands in a pathetic fight when he is searching for his old friend now nemesis. THAT ISN"T NERZHUL.

Do you really think a demonlord would give a rival an equal power to himself let alone allow that rival to gain power above him. Kil wants the world distracted and in chaos. Illidan is his pawn/distraction. the more that hero's die in the lore leaves less for kil to deal with. failures and successful plans all work in his favor. The more life taken from the planet the weaker the guardian is. remember where the guardian and the night elves get their power. the tree is now powerless and life on the planet is destroying itself.. all the energy of the titans sacred planet is withering. even nerzhul betraying kil is still helping the legion without realizing it.

The foundation of your argument is crap 😐

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Greater than Kil'Jaeden expected, yes.
Greater than Kil'Jaedens? No 😛

That's what i meant.... I swear I'm steadily getting worse with words....because i;m trying to learn Japanese recently..... pushing English out.... oh fooie

Oh fooey hug

Worry not. The times where I had a shortage of sleep, I too had problems 😛

Originally posted by Lady Fox
Greater than Kil'Jaeden expected, yes.
Greater than Kil'Jaedens? No 😛

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