Originally posted by Burning thought
however Old Gods are powerful, but only in their prime, before the current time period, it was said that Sargerus i think was extremely fearful of the 5 old Gods, which is quite large meaning.
So them tearing at the fabric at time and sending three persons back in time to change the history and them swatting DeathWing with the demon soul away like he was a fly because he was a in the way of them comming back to Azeroth. You are underestimating the Olds Gods.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So them tearing at the fabric at time and sending three persons back in time to change the history and them swatting DeathWing with the demon soul away like he was a fly because he was a in the way of them comming back to Azeroth. You are underestimating the Olds Gods.
?? what are you talking about? deathwing lost demon soul by then....
Originally posted by Burning thought
inaccording to utriga, Elune the Goddess is no greater than Malorn
Based on the fact that during the war of the ancient Elune was powerless to stop the advancing burning Legion while Malorne on the other hand practically was about to singlehandet defeat them, until Archimonde Arrived.
Also it is said that Currently Elune is the most powerful Eternal, but that isn't the same as saying she was always the most powerful and Malornes show against Archimonde and the Legion was spectacular.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
?? what are you talking about? deathwing lost demon soul by then....
Yes I can see it was a bad formulated it was written down quickly and I left out some vital points in the hurry again..
The Old Gods Open a Portal by creating a rift in time that rift was the used by Rhonin, Krasus and Brox. IMO a feat I find highly unlike that the Lich King could duplicate.
they (Old Gods) corrupted the great benevolent Dragon Aspect Neltharion, to create for them the extremely powerful Demon Soul which they empowered as well, to have Sargeras use to unintentionally set them free. The Demon Soul was taken from Neltharion by Malfurion, then taken from him by Illidan and put in the Sargeras-summoning matrix, then taken back by Neltharion, who shortly thereafter was struck away by the Old Gods, who wished to have the summoning completed.
from WoWwiki this isn't misunderstood as my own writing was. So again I find it highly unlikely that the Lich King as powerful as he is, is at the levels of a Old God.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes I can see it was a bad formulated it was written down quickly and I left out some vital points in the hurry again..The Old Gods Open a Portal by creating a rift in time that rift was the used by Rhonin, Krasus and Brox. IMO a feat I find highly unlike that the Lich King could duplicate.
from WoWwiki this isn't misunderstood as my own writing was. So again I find it highly unlikely that the Lich King as powerful as he is, is at the levels of a Old God.
The old gods no longer have physical bodies, they told Deathwing how to make demon soul. It would seem from that they they refused to help him further for melding in their scheme
Originally posted by Utrigita
from WoWwiki this isn't misunderstood as my own writing was. So again I find it highly unlikely that the Lich King as powerful as he is, is at the levels of a Old God.
but as i said, we dont actually know, the official statement is he is one of the most powerful, few things have that said about them, if he is among the most powerful beings that means he could be at the level of the old Gods, and that feat is not neccerily so great, simply creating a time portal, Lich king may not be able to do that power in peticulour but he did more or less create his own race, the undead.
if their the Old Gods, Lich King is more like the New God
also simply because Elune was powerless to stop them, does not make her weaker than Malorn, its more likely her kind of power is simply ineffective against them, does not neccerily make Malorn more powerful than she.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
The old gods no longer have physical bodies, they told Deathwing how to make demon soul. It would seem from that they they refused to help him further for melding in their scheme
The Old Gods work only towards one thing to get free from there prison, and Deathwing became a liability in that quest hence he was removed.
Originally posted by Burning thought
but as i said, we dont actually know, the official statement is he is one of the most powerful, few things have that said about them, if he is among the most powerful beings that means he could be at the level of the old Gods, and that feat is not neccerily so great, simply creating a time portal, Lich king may not be able to do that power in peticulour but he did more or less create his own race, the undead.if their the Old Gods, Lich King is more like the New God
also simply because Elune was powerless to stop them, does not make her weaker than Malorn, its more likely her kind of power is simply ineffective against them, does not neccerily make Malorn more powerful than she.
Why do you continue to claim that we doesn't know anything about the Lich King??? His stats history and feats are well documented in the Manual of Monsters, The handbooks are written by Blizzard in accordence with the Lore, from what I know. http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki😛olicy/Writing/Lore#Official_sources_of_lore
For Instance the Lich King is above Illidan but stats and powers but Death Knight Arthas would lose in a straight up fight if Illidan was using his head, not like the cutscene shows. Hell if we go by the Lore provided by the handbooks (but they will probably be retconned at some point because the Lich King is to low in what they are building him up to at this point) the Azshara is more powerful then him, and there was only three beings that was said to be capable of defeat Azshara. Archimonde and Sargares (and Kil'Jaeden since he is Archimondes superior).
And it isn't simply opening a portal back in time they where RIPPING the fabric of time apart. And with all respect but if you say that Even Sargares feared the Old Gods (I cannot find a reference to that anywhere) then the Lich King should according to you be capable of defeating at the very least a Titan have I understood you correct???
Her power being ineffective against the demons if anything speaks for her not being powerful, she is a God that cannot defeat nore halt the Legion advance while Malorne which is wellversed in the druid lore almost singlehanded defeated the legion.
But will double tjeck whether ore not she inteferes in battles even though she casted a shield over tyranda in the war of the ancient Trilogy
Originally posted by Utrigita
Why do you continue to claim that we doesn't know anything about the Lich King??? His stats history and feats are well documented in the Manual of Monsters, The handbooks are written by Blizzard in accordence with the Lore, from what I know. http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki😛olicy/Writing/Lore#Official_sources_of_loreAnd it isn't simply opening a portal back in time they where RIPPING the fabric of time apart. And with all respect but if you say that Even Sargares feared the Old Gods (I cannot find a reference to that anywhere) then the Lich King should according to you be capable of defeating at the very least a Titan have I understood you correct???
Her power being ineffective against the demons if anything speaks for her not being powerful, she is a God that cannot defeat nore halt the Legion advance while Malorne which is wellversed in the druid lore almost singlehanded defeated the legion.
But will double tjeck whether ore not she inteferes in battles even though she casted a shield over tyranda in the war of the ancient Trilogy
we dont know anything about the current fusion lich king, i dont think hes been truly documented, when? there can be no released information on the fusion surely?
he feared the old gods at their prime, all 5 of them together, i was saying fusion Lich king could be equel to or above one of the current old gods in their weakened state.
God is just a title, but perhaps her powers simply dont influence those beings, i think her power comes from nature and healing and peace, which is why she cannot help, also perhaps she was just CISing...i mean you say as we see Illidan could really defeat Arthas but he did not, perhaps the story (its probably PIS in this case) does not want her to come in and destroy Killy or whoever is most important. I mean to be fair, i know he was not fighting back and wanted her to beat him but Sargerus form was still destroyed by Argewyn.
Originally posted by Burning thought
we dont know anything about the current fusion lich king, i dont think hes been truly documented, when? there can be no released information on the fusion surely?
Well he is documented in the Manual of Monsters, which clearly states that it is indeed the lich king.
he feared the old gods at their prime, all 5 of them together, i was saying fusion Lich king could be equel to or above one of the current old gods in their weakened state. [/B]
Okay I misunderstood you then. And if you don't mind I would like to see the reference to Sargares fearing the old gods 🙂
God is just a title, but perhaps her powers simply dont influence those beings, i think her power comes from nature and healing and peace, which is why she cannot help, also perhaps she was just CISing...i mean you say as we see Illidan could really defeat Arthas but he did not, perhaps the story (its probably PIS in this case) does not want her to come in and destroy Killy or whoever is most important. I mean to be fair, i know he was not fighting back and wanted her to beat him but Sargerus form was still destroyed by Argewyn. [/B]
Okay, and it does but she still casted a shield what for some time withstood the assaults from archimonde, impressive. Elune was involved in the story and toke a active role to some extent.
Point taken about Illidan and Arthas, PIS incident.
His avatar form was destroyed by Aegwynn not his complete Body, which is probably still laying somewhere in the twisted nether.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Link please
good enough???
http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lich_King#Class_Levels_and_Abilities
Scan from the Manual of Monsters
http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:The_Lich_King.jpg
Darth Extecute can confirm if needed.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well he is documented in the Manual of Monsters, which clearly states that it is indeed the lich king.Okay I misunderstood you then. And if you don't mind I would like to see the reference to Sargares fearing the old gods 🙂
Okay, and it does but she still casted a shield what for some time withstood the assaults from archimonde, impressive. Elune was involved in the story and toke a active role to some extent.
Point taken about Illidan and Arthas, PIS incident.
His avatar form was destroyed by Aegwynn not his complete Body, which is probably still laying somewhere in the twisted nether.
not the fusion, normal lichie?
well i would but ime only following the word of Darth who is the one i think may have said it, although i dont rememebr i think he did post a link, perhaps when he comes back
indeed Sargerus Avatar, although its fairly impressive a guardian could do that, i mean ime not sure what level i would put a guardian on in power, but she certainly smashed him up for a human
Originally posted by Burning thought
not the fusion, normal lichie?
Fusion version.
well i would but ime only following the word of Darth who is the one i think may have said it, although i dont rememebr i think he did post a link, perhaps when he comes back[/B]
Okay.
indeed Sargerus Avatar, although its fairly impressive a guardian could do that, i mean ime not sure what level i would put a guardian on in power, but she certainly smashed him up for a human [/B]
She certainly did, and I would rank her high, but it most certainly also helped her greatly that he wanted to get destroyed don't you think 😉
Originally posted by Utrigita
She certainly did, and I would rank her high, but it most certainly also helped her greatly that he wanted to get destroyed don't you think 😉
who knows, the fact he wanted to be destroyed is true, but wether he weakened his avatar or not nobody knows, he prob just stood there or used weak spells however so he doesnt deal any damage
Unimpressive
Originally from WoWWiki
the Manual of Monsters does not explicitly state the Lich King's class levels, and stats for the non-merged Arthas and Ner'zhul were never officially published
That information is extreme variable and unreliable.
Not only is it hard to convert into a debatable pout but, if it's not a official anything can change before you true official things come out
Originally posted by Burning thought
who knows, the fact he wanted to be destroyed is true, but wether he weakened his avatar or not nobody knows, he prob just stood there or used weak spells however so he doesnt deal any damage
A avatar normally doesn't as much power as the original body hence a avatar.
If he even spells probably just mocked her and waited to be capable of sending his soul into her. It must be like hammer against a wall of Iron you will hammer for a long time but sooner ore later it will bent.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
UnimpressiveThat information is extreme variable and unreliable.
Not only is it hard to convert into a debatable pout but, if it's not a official anything can change before you true official things come out
Would love to post it for you but I doesn't have a scanner hope I get one for christmas.
btw read before you post
Though the Manual of Monsters does not explicitly state the Lich King's class levels, and stats for the non-merged Arthas and Ner'zhul were never officially published
Class Levels... are not mentioned but stats such as intelligence health point etc is classes is what Necromancer for instance and frankly I couldn't care less about his character class All I'm interested in is his overall stats, spells and Abilities, and it is the stats for A NON-MERGED Arthas and a NON-MERGED Lich King that never has been officially published 🙂
