The Punisher versus The Terminator

Originally posted by Alfheim
That still doesnt change the fact that some acids corrodes and dissolves metal. You are just focusing on the fact that I dont know exactly how acid reacts, this enables you to ignore the fact that you were wrong that a superacid could harm a T-1000.

Nice escape there. Your usual tactic of just focusing on what part of the argument suits you. This doesnt change the fact that acid can harm a T-1000.

You assume that acid can affect the terminator because you've watched the episode of the simpsons where a vial of acid ate through a wall.

That is your extent of knowledge.

You have _NO_ idea how acid works, and, therefore, are ill-equipped to put forth the argument that it would work as an effective attack against a terminator. Not to mention the fact

Go take an eighth grade science class, learn a little about the T-1000, and THEN try to put forth a coherent argument. So far, you might as well be saying 'Franc magikcs 'em awegihay!!!'

Originally posted by Soljer
You assume that acid can affect the terminator because you've watched the episode of the simpsons where a vial of acid ate through a wall.

That is your extent of knowledge.

You have _NO_ idea how acid works, and, therefore, are ill-equipped to put forth the argument that it would work as an effective attack against a terminator. Not to mention the fact

Go take an eighth grade science class, learn a little about the T-1000, and THEN try to put forth a coherent argument. So far, you might as well be saying 'Franc magikcs 'em awegihay!!!'

Originally posted by Soljer
You assume that acid can affect the terminator because you've watched the episode of the simpsons where a vial of acid ate through a wall.

No actually there are sites on the web that state that some acids can corrode and dissolve metal.

http://www.finishing.com/290/84.shtml

This for starters...eventhough it states that it would take days, im pretty sure that there are more powerful acids than that and there is nothing to say that Punisher couldnt capture the T-1000 , it might not work but it could be done.

Originally posted by Soljer

That is your extent of knowledge.

"No actually there are sites on the web that state that some acids can corrode and dissolve metal."

Originally posted by Soljer

You have _NO_ idea how acid works, and, therefore, are ill-equipped to put forth the argument that it would work as an effective attack against a terminator. Not to mention the fact

Go take an eighth grade science class, learn a little about the T-1000, and THEN try to put forth a coherent argument. So far, you might as well be saying 'Franc magikcs 'em awegihay!!!'

Im not going to a damn thing, your going to explain how is it that acid can dissolve metal but cant hurt a T-1000....or **** off and stop wasting my time. Stop making excuses.

Just like I said you're an idiot you have focused that I dont know exactly how acid works but fail to acknowledge the fcat that some acids dissolve and corrode metal

Originally posted by JasonK4
Ouch

Yeah....seems like you've just come at the end of a debate and as usual dont what the hell is going.....again. So ok i'll ask you if acids can dissolve and corrode metal dont you think that it has a good chance of destroying a T-1000?

Oh, good god.

You send me to a FINISHING website?!?!

That's your big research? There's your big expository fact?

A ****ING FINISHING website?!

I'm sorry, I'll make you look like more of a fool later, I think I just ruptured my spleen from laughing so hard, I need an emergency room....

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, good god.

You send me to a FINISHING website?!?!

That's your big research? There's your big expository fact?

A ****ING FINISHING website?!

I'm sorry, I'll make you look like more of a fool later, I think I just ruptured my spleen from laughing so hard, I need an emergency room....

Not not really there other scientifc forums as well. I couldnt be bothered to find them. I dont know I might find some others but im probably wasting my time.

Some acids dissolve corrode metal therefore it should be able to destory a T-1000.

http://www.krysstal.com/acidbase.html

Acids are corrosive and can burn flesh and dissolve metal.

You finished being a **** now? I dont like looking up acids on the web especially in this day an age.

Let's break this down into logical connectives.

Statement A: The Terminator is made of metal.

Statement B: Acids which dissolve and corrode metal exist.

Therefore, Acids can dissolve and/or corrode a terminator?

That's the statement, correct?

Then let's see what we've ignored; the terminator's true composition. The fact that he is a MOLECULAR-machine. The fact that he can control which molecules are on the outside, therefore, making a 'shield' of dead metal (kind of like out top layer of dead skin), thereby not allowing any more acid to touch him. The fact that it would take an EXTREMELY high molarity acid to even noticeably affect the terminator in anyway. The fact that these acids are NOT just laying around. The fact that the Punisher won't just HAPPEN to notice them. The fact that the Punisher would have already been killed by two stabs in the eye. 😐.

Originally posted by Soljer

Then let's see what we've ignored; the terminator's true composition. The fact that he is a MOLECULAR-machine. The fact that he can control which molecules are on the outside, therefore, making a 'shield' of dead metal (kind of like out top layer of dead skin), thereby not allowing any more acid to touch him.

I see so the acid is just going to stay on the surface and not eat right through it. I can see an acid bath reach all through the surface.

Originally posted by Soljer

The fact that it would take an EXTREMELY high molarity acid to even noticeably affect the terminator in anyway.

The Punsiher has caught Venom before. If Frank was able to capture the Termiantor and catch him and acid bath for a long duration he could win. So even if it doesnt work straight away it will eventually.

Originally posted by Soljer

The fact that these acids are NOT just laying around.

The scenerio allows for prep because it is hunt situation like in the Terminato films. The Punisher has a database and im pretty sure he can obtain them. Sonic weapons arent just lying around either but he still obtained one and beat venom.

Originally posted by Soljer

The fact that the Punisher won't just HAPPEN to notice them.

What the T-1000 are acid? If you are refering to acid he can obtain it. If you are refering to the T-1000 hes not just going to stand around in a crowded area where it can sneak up on him.

Originally posted by Soljer

The fact that the Punisher would have already been killed by two stabs in the eye. 😐.

Nahhh really.

Well done havent proven anything.

1. Where'd you get the idea that there was prep?

2. How the HELL is the punisher going to catch the T-1000? Please, enlighten me.

That's your argument right now? The Punisher will somehow manage to capture the T-1000, and somehow run across the highest molarity acid known to man, and/or a nice large helping of molten steel, and bathe the Terminator in it?

Because the 1000 just chills and lets it happen? Nah. The Punisher will have no idea what he looks like - and the Terminator can always go amorphous and appear exactly the same as the floor, slowly crawling till he is actually UNDER the Punisher. Where he can then just envelop the punisher and put two spikes through his brain.

Frank would have NO way to EVER detect him coming.

Oh; and acid doesn't just 'eat through' things. It doesn't make matter go POOF.

It's a chemical reaction - with products. Products that can't be broken down further.

Oh, and it's highly unlikely that the acid would even work, considering that the terminator is a MOLECULAR GOD-DAMNED MACHINE!

I'm glad you can google the words "acid dissolve metal" but, seriously...eighth grade science, my friend.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Where'd you get the idea that there was prep?

2. How the HELL is the punisher going to catch the T-1000? Please, enlighten me.

That's your argument right now? The Punisher will somehow manage to capture the T-1000, and somehow run across the highest molarity acid known to man, and/or a nice large helping of molten steel, and bathe the Terminator in it?

Because the 1000 just chills and lets it happen? Nah. The Punisher will have no idea what he looks like - and the Terminator can always go amorphous and appear exactly the same as the floor, slowly crawling till he is actually UNDER the Punisher. Where he can then just envelop the punisher and put two spikes through his brain.

Frank would have NO way to EVER detect him coming.

1. Punisher uses an infrared vision scope to detect T1000 out of a crowd (his body heat is lower)

2. Punisher borrows Reed's molecular gun to weaken the bonds in T1000. T1000 becomes mush and is unable to regain form.

3. Punisher sucks up T1000 into a highgrade adamantium canister.

4. Punisher chills

1. The Terminator can change the heat of his body, to be identical to that of a human, or to be totally invisible to infrared.

2. The Punisher is borrowing stuff from Reed now? When the hell did the 'no outside help' rule go out the window?

3. And the Punisher has these laying around? And a vacuum? Not to mention that the Terminator isn't liquid - he's a collection of small nanites. The Punisher may suck up a tiny tiny section of nanites, and then he'd have two spikes through the brain for his trouble.

4. Sure he does.

In a nice plushy coffin, six feet under.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Where'd you get the idea that there was prep?

The thread starter stated that it was an urban hunt prey situation. I assumed that this was like in the movie where they were able to hide and find and create new weapons.

If theres no prep he dies.

Originally posted by Soljer

2. How the HELL is the punisher going to catch the T-1000? Please, enlighten me.

If he cauhgt Venom, held off and pissed Ulik, beaten the Reavers he can ****ing capture a T-1000. For starters he can wait for the T-1000 to come to him.

Originally posted by Soljer

That's your argument right now? The Punisher will somehow manage to capture the T-1000,

Oh right ok, so Franks captured Venom, Deapool beaten the Reavers, theres no ****ing way hes gonna capture a T-1000 is there?

Originally posted by Soljer

and somehow run across the highest molarity acid known to man, and/or a nice large helping of molten steel, and bathe the Terminator in it?

Er well excuse me.....sonic weapons arent just lying around are they??? He still managed to get one didnt he??

Originally posted by Soljer

Because the 1000 just chills and lets it happen? Nah.

Yeah of course. I thought the T-1000 would just stay there and pick its nose. All I said was that Frank could find a way I didnt even give a ratio....geeeeezzz. That doesnt mean that Frank would easily or manage to implement it but it could be done.

Originally posted by Soljer

The Punisher will have no idea what he looks like -

Thats why you dont stay in a crowded area! You go somwhere like a factory.

Originally posted by Soljer

and the Terminator can always go amorphous and appear exactly the same as the floor, slowly crawling till he is actually UNDER the Punisher. Where he can then just envelop the punisher and put two spikes through his brain.

Frank would have NO way to EVER detect him coming.

Yes he could. Even when it morphs into a floor its still metal. Magnets or electormagnets could be a way of detecting it.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh; and acid doesn't just 'eat through' things. It doesn't make matter go POOF.

It's a chemical reaction - with products. Products that can't be broken down further.

Oh, and it's highly unlikely that the acid would even work, considering that the terminator is a MOLECULAR GOD-DAMNED MACHINE!

I'm glad you can google the words "acid dissolve metal" but, seriously...eighth grade science, my friend.

but despite that still got damaged by an explosive round. If that can **** it up exposure to superacid over a long duration will.

The fact that acid doesnt make matter go POOF is niether here nor there. Molten metal doesnt make metal go POOF either.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The thread starter stated that it was an urban hunt prey situation. I assumed that this was like in the movie where they were able to hide and find and create new weapons.

If theres no prep he dies.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The fact that acid doesnt make matter go POOF is niether here nor there. Molten metal doesnt make metal go POOF either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You can only find and use that which would be in an urban environment. Since labratories that would have the amount of acid you'd need to thorughly clean a Terminator won't be able to be found then the amount you'd need to tarnish a terminator is not going to happen and to completely disolve one with an acid is out of the question.

You dont have labratories and factories in the city?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Molten metal makes metal melt, which is why there was a slow disolve of the T-1000 and it even tried to jump out of the molten metal.

Yeah I know my point is that it doesnt make metal go POOF it melts it. Acid doesnt make metal go POOF it dissolve it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You can only find and use that which would be in an urban environment. Since labratories that would have the amount of acid you'd need to thorughly clean a Terminator won't be able to be found then the amount you'd need to tarnish a terminator is not going to happen and to completely disolve one with an acid is out of the question.

Thank you, CHRIST, someone knows a LITTLE bit about molarities.

Originally posted by Soljer
Thank you, CHRIST, someone knows a LITTLE bit about molarities.

It seemed to me he implied that you needed alot of acid to do it.

I also stated it could work over a long duration.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Yeah I know my point is that it doesnt make metal go POOF it melts it. Acid doesnt make metal go POOF it dissolve it.

The terminator isn't mercury. It's not liquid metal.

It's billions and billions of molecular machines. Small, tiny molecules functioning as independent machines.

Why would acid even work on it?

Further more; you're giving the Punisher the benefit of the doubt. A terminator won't know that the Punisher is just chilling in a factory of Reed's lab (apparently...I dunno where else you'd find the required acids).

However, he DOES have detailed files that describe the Punisher as a benevolent good-guy.

The Terminator proceeds to become an amorphous blob, hide, indistinguishable from the ground, and THEN let the Punisher walk up, envelop him, and stab him in the brain.

The Punisher cannot win this without a plot device. He cannot attain a plot device, because in your average urban environment, they don't exist.

Originally posted by Alfheim
It seemed to me he implied that you needed alot of acid to do it.

I also stated it could work over a long duration.

Did YOU happen to notice that he said TARNISH?

Do you know what the word tarnish means?

Oh; and nice edit. Try to hide your ignorance. 🙂. It doesn't help much.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You dont have labratories and factories in the city?

Hell you still haven't even said which acid it'll be that would have any effect.

Remember cop out answers are not accepted.

"He's batman he'll find a way." Counts as a biased answer for example and is against the rules. 🙂

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I know my point is that it doesnt make metal go POOF it melts it. Acid doesnt make metal go POOF it dissolve it.

Originally posted by Soljer
The terminator isn't mercury. It's not liquid metal.

It's billions and billions of molecular machines. Small, tiny molecules functioning as independent machines.

"In the Terminator 2 story, The T-1000's major innovation is its "mimetic poly-alloy" construction -- an intelligent liquid metal."

--wiki

also, Punisher can just freeze T 1000.